President Uchtdorf: 'Come, join with us'

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  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 3:01 a.m.

    As long as you pay tithing, and don't publicly disagree with the "imperfect" leaders, there is room for you in this Church.

  • BigTujunga L.A., CA
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    I loved this talk. I was certainly headed out of the church before this talk. My wife had already told local leaders I was "trying to leave the church". It's a long story of a fully broken shelf and the total deconstruction of my church beliefs.

    As my anger has dissipated over the past few months I must admit there are people I miss, "Mormonisms" I do enjoy and memories I cherish.

    I fully intend to put this to the test and see if the local leaders will show empathy and help me make this church work for me. Certainly there is no guarantee but as he put it, I will "stay a little longer".

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    Oct. 8, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    As a member of the LDS church, I've come to realize that a lot of mistakes were made by our church leaders in the past. So it stands to reason that they will make mistakes today. It is not just our moral agency to disagree, it is our responsibility to find out for ourselves if what is being taught is correct.

    I'm pretty sure the doctrine is sound. Man's interpretation of that doctrine can be crazy sometimes. Just read anything that Brigham Young said in the journal of discourses. Pray and study.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    When we are baptized, we covenant that we will be witnesses for Christ in all times. Disagreeing with the Church is within our moral agency, and admitting that disbelief can be an honest statement. However, publicly denouncing the Church is a serious action that denotes pure apostasy.

    I have participated in several disciplinary councils over the years. While apostasy from revealed doctrine was occasionally manifest, in every instance what prescipitated the action was unrepented moral sin. At no time was there a desire to punish someone because of disbelief or ignorance. I think I can speak for the others on those councils that our earnest desire was for the person to repent and come back into the fold.

    Oct. 6, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    There is but one perfect individual. Jesus Christ. He alone is Diety and he alone provides a perfect example of how to live. The rest are just men and women. People filled with mistakes, doubts and errors. To attach ourselves to them as if they are perfect is a mistake.

    The lessons of the life of Christ's closest friend, Peter, is to understand that even prophets are imperfect. Christ illustrates this by doing two things. First he chooses and imperfect man and Second calls him the Rock upon which he shall build His church. Throughout the life of Peter with Christ we see him be just that - an imperfect man who ultimately deny's the Divinity of the Man he personally knew to be the Son of God.

    This should give us all comfort in knowing that while Christ is perfect, man is not nor is the leadership of His Church.

    Adam, Noah, Moses, David, Peter, Paul, Joseph, Brigham all examples of Prophets who made mistakes. No worry - Just remember it was "through" these men and not "by" this men that God reveals His Truths.

    The Principles of the Gospel are true not the men. Thank Goodness.

    Oct. 6, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    I agree 100 % with your first sentence but disagree with most of the 2nd paragraph.

    I feel that many members have left the church because some insensitive leaders were too quick to excommunicate those who had the some of the doubts that President Uchtdorf spoke about. However, as one who was inactive for many years, I believe that those insensitive leaders were sincere when they felt excommunication was appropriate.

    While carefully studying the Doctrine and Covenants using the CES Student Manual for BYU Religion 324-325 this year, I have gained a strong testimony that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are 2 of the most worthy prophets that ever lived.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Best talk I've heard or read in my nearly 40 years of participating in General Conference.

    Now, please be open about what some of those "mistakes" were including the problems with the claims made by the LDS church, especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and even, the current leadership of the church.