BYU football: Cougar defense sets the tone in BYU's big win over Utah State

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  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    It's a metaphorical, philosophical asterisk, obviously. It means what it means, and more importantly, it doesn't mean what it doesn't mean. I think everyone understands that a win in sports is a win, and a loss is a loss. There is no asterisk on any win-loss sheet, for any sport, ever, that I have ever seen. Thanks for clarifying that. And if the win-loss column at the end of the season is your focus, that's fine. I like to watch sports for the competition, the struggle, the give and take. And in this game, those things were drastically undercut with four minutes left in the first quarter. That is a loss for everyone, I think. I am not implying anything else, nor derogating BYU in anyway.

  • H-man Shreveport, LA
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    @ Joe Moe

    Yes, really. Of course everyone would have rather had Keeton on the field, but that isn't what I was talking about. I was referring to the attempt by Aggie fans to denigrate BYU's win by saying there is an asterisk by the win--nothing more and nothing less. There is no asterisk by the win. Any attempt to put one by it is an attempt to minimize, lessen, or downplay the win.

    Perhaps we should reverse the situation. Let's list the win with no asterisk but let's put an asterisk by the Aggies' loss. See the problem? It doesn't help at all. It's just silly--kind of like this exchange which is why I'm done. You can carry on if it's really that important to you.

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Exactly right, Reno. It's part of the game, unfortunately. And in this case, it made for a disappointing evening. Especially for Aggie fans, but also to some degree for many Cougar fans as well, who would have liked to see if their team could beat the Aggies with their key player on the field. Maybe they would have, they played very well, but we won't ever know. And so the Cougars take their win, and the Aggies take their loss, into the rest of the season.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    Joe Moe,
    Yes the games are more fun when both teams are at full strength but what should have BYU done quit after Chucky got hurt? What if Taysom had gotten hurt instead like he did in last years game? Injuries happen and the games and life goes on!!! That is why teams have backups to play if the starters go down or get hurt!!!

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    H-man, really?! Assuming you are a Cougar fan, I ask you, wouldn't YOU have rather beaten the Aggies WITH Keeton on the field??

    Scenario A: Aggies' star player is in the whole game, and BYU dominates.
    Scenario B: Aggies' star player is out most of the game, and BYU dominates.

    Honestly, which do you prefer? Or is there REALLY no difference to you? I can say with certainty, that if roles were reversed, I would much rather beat an opponent with their A-team on the field. I think most fans would. If we go up against a team with their second string quarterback, I'm happy to have the win, sure, and the stats column doesn't care, but it's less satisfying. We've all been on both sides of this question, there's nothing new or baffling about it.

  • H-man Shreveport, LA
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    @Joe Moe who wrote: "And if BYU had still won . . . there would be no asterisk."

    What asterisk? I looked at multiple listings of college football scores--ESPN, CSB Sports, Sports Illustrated, etc. Funny, I didn't see any asterisks by the score listing BYU's win. Apparently, the only asterisks are in the minds of fans of the team that lost.

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:53 p.m.

    4601, you are absolutely right. To quote a favorite movie, "I'm not arguing that with you!" But it sure would have been a much more enjoyable game to watch with Keeton in (I assume that's true for BYU fans as well, but maybe they wouldn't have liked it as much after all...ask a Cougar fan I guess). And if BYU had still won, which they may well have the way they played, there would be no asterisk. Not their fault, though, obviously. And to reiterate my actual statement, it's crazy not to mention this major game event in any summary of this game.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Joe Moe,
    Should the article also mention Adam Hine, Michael Alisa, Preston Hadley and the offensive linemen that were out for BYU? The observation that it would be a different game with Keeton is mastering the obvious, but speculation that USU would win is wishful thinking.

  • Aggie00 United States, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad
    Saying that BYU beat a top 20 team is a laugher. Texas had no business being in the top 20 and everyone with football knowledge knows that. Utah almost........ beating UCLA means nothing just like it did when USU almost..... beat the 2013 Rose Bowl Champion Wisconsin Badgers, and that was on the road too. In the end, no one cares about "Almost". On Saturday Northwestern almost......beat Ohio State. BYU lost to Notre Dame by 3 points last year, but again, who won? Um, Notre Dame. No one cares about almost. USU lost to BYU by 3 points in 2011 and 2012 playing at BYU which is a hard place to play. Again, who cares about almost. The only thing that matters is a Win with a capital "W".

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 6, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    United States, UT

    Two top 20 teams have travelled to Utah this season. One of them escaped with a hard earned victory, and one of them got knocked out of the top 20.

    Neither of them played Utah State, but that's beside the point.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    @SLC Watch

    Do you know why they were the top of the WAC 2.0? Because it's the WAC 2.0 and nobody takes it serious. I think you should say that to the USU fan's. I've seen those fan's act less like a gentleman then I do. Clearly you've never been to a game in Logan. USU is nothing without Keeton who proved why he isn't the best in the state. Therefore, they cannot and will not win the WAC 2.0 title or make a bowl. It's a fact that you and the rest of the aggies don't want to see.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:35 p.m.


    I don't think anyone is saying that keeton's injury didn't "impact", what people are saying is that there is no reason to believe the final outcome would have been changed with the exception of maybe the spread of BYU's victory. BYU already had the lead and usu, and keeton, had done little to nothing at that point. I personally believe he is a great enough player that he would have done some good things if he'd been in the game but usu's defense was exposed by BYU and that wouldn't have changed because of keeton's presence.

    Considering the way BYU has shut down keeton the previous 2 years why would you simply assume he was going to be able to beat BYU this year? The record shows BYU stops keeton, and beats him. Claiming usu wins with keeton is even more deluded than saying keeton's injury had no effect. His injury had an effect but BYU wins anyway.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:23 a.m.

    Can you please tell us who is at the top of the MWC? Hint, the team goes by the letters USU and is in Logan, Utah.

    And yes it is against the rules of politeness to be rude.

    Treat others like a gentleman, not because they are, but because you are.

    Or don't and let everyone know where you stand.

  • Aggie00 United States, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    Kyle Wittingham said it best.

    Asked about what element of Utah State concerned him, Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said, "Chuckie Keeton, first, second and third thing." Asked for a fourth, Whittingham repeated Keeton’s name. "He is Utah State’s catalyst," he said. Whittingham said Keeton rated "up there" with any of the top quarterbacks Utah has played in the Pac-12.

    My question is how USU losing a guy like that didn't impact the BYU game? Go and ask Kyle Wittingham who is full of football knowledge what he thinks.

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    I didn't get a chance to watch the game since somehow it was on some strange station from what I hear and a family member couldn't record it, but I was a bit surprised by the outcome. I think BYU is very good when they eliminate stupid mistakes, that's what this game showed me, I have a great deal of respect for Utah State and in fact always cheer for them except when they play the Cougs. I do find it funny though how many times I read that if Chuckie Keeten hadn't of been injured the game would have been much closer, and you may be right but we'll never know, it's not like the Aggies were driving the ball before then, the score they did have was because of a short field, so you never know. I find it funny because if this were different and a Cougar fan said something like that he'd be hammered by not living in reality and stop making excuses. Just funny the double standard with that stuff. Hopefully the Aggies can get Keeten back, either way the win the Mountain West!

  • Aggie00 United States, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    What we do know is that none of the big Utah teams (Utah State, Utah, & BYU) have beaten anyone big lately. Utah State will lose a few more games with Chucky being out. Utah looks to be another PAC-12 bottom feeder, nothing to brag about here. BYU will most likely loose at least 3 - 4 of their next 7 games. I guess that BYU fans can keep talking "1984" until the year 2100 if it makes them feel better. Utah fans can continue to talk about the glory years with Urban Meyer. All 3 teams right now as they are (which is all that really matters)are nothing but mediocre.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:48 p.m.


    "Shame on you Stang08" really, are you serious? It's not against the rules to mock a team or it's fan's. Especially those fan's. They said they would win just about every game and look what happend. They've lost three and the arrogance of the fan's has cost Keeton his carrer. So much for the "Best QB in the state" accolade.

    @SLC Watch

    Correction they are in the WAC 2.0 which they have been in for years. All aggie fan's said he isn't really a new coach so it's possible to go undefeated. Guess what he is a new coach and because of that they have no clue what they are doing and now have three losses.

  • Utehaterforlife West Valley, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Until the last couple of years, USU hasn't been great, stop saying they have been great before. They have yet to beat a good team this year. They couldn't pull it out against a bad USC team, and they choked at Wisconsin last year, and they didnt' show up last night. They are not great, they are in the MWC, which is not good.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    First of all... the game results would be the same with or without the excellent CK because... he was out and in sports there is no such thing as an IF game. And if you really want to play the IF game, then say, "How would CK have done if he'd stayed in the game and performed about as he had..." (Unless you prefer he would have stayed in the game and would have done much better... but that is even more fan non-feasance.) Project his 4-10 passing and he would have been 16-40 with 4 interceptions. But, the way he was constantly getting pounded into the ground by the BYU defense he may not have last too many more quarters.

    In the end, I really like Utah State and their program. I wish them well to win the MWC. I believe Coach Wells is a class act and will build the program even more. And I hope Chuckie Keaton heals quickly and returns for a successful season and career.

    Lastly, shame on any BYU fan who mocks USU and in an unsportsmanlike ridicule of the opposing team.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Everyteam has to reinvent itself each year. Utah State is new to the Mountain West Conference and that is the mountain they are climbing this year. They have been great before and with the proper administration help, great coaches, dedicated players and committed community support they can be again. They will do well with Craig Harrison (CWood111's opinion to the contrary) as they move forward.
    I support BYU's goals to not only represent well on the football field but to do it with adherence to the values and principals they espouse.
    Cheer for the team of your choice, leave the bashing behind, especially if you want to support BYU and the principals they want to represent.

  • Rirruto Nampa, Id
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    First off, shame on stang08. Utah State is a good team, stop mocking them. Second, I agree with Joe Moe and cwood1111. the game would be a lot closer with Chuckie Keaton at the helm and that should have been mentioned. Third, you also have to look at the fact that before he went out Chuckie Keaton was 4 for 10. BYU knew what they were doing on defense. They came prepared. If that keeps up BYU still wins this game going away. But lets keep some perspective. And by the way, I'm a LIFE LONG COUGAR FAN. I just don't like it when other fans mock good instate rivals(though I have some tolerance when it comes to Utah). You are just giving them locker room fodder for next year, when Keaton will be back and better than this year. BTY, is he eligible for a medical redshirt? I hope so.

  • CWOOD1111 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Way to go Byu! Way to stop Powerhouse QB Craig Harrison. IF Chuckie didn't get injured this game would have been a lot closer.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    I can't say enough about BYU's Bronco's defense. They are a joy to watch and certainly one of the best in the country. I remember the many years when BYU would lose shootouts (e.g. Penn State) or get trampled by an offense (Florida State, TCU). I really enjoy watching this defense. Amazing!

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    How could you possibly write a review of this game, even a relatively short one like this, without noting that the USU star quarterback went out in the first quarter with a major knee injury?? That is simply journalistic malfeasance.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:34 p.m.

    It's fun when you are always right. But it's kinda lonely at the top. Of course the aggies will never know that feeling lol.