It's a metaphorical, philosophical asterisk, obviously. It means what it
means, and more importantly, it doesn't mean what it doesn't mean. I
think everyone understands that a win in sports is a win, and a loss is a loss.
There is no asterisk on any win-loss sheet, for any sport, ever, that I have
ever seen. Thanks for clarifying that. And if the win-loss column at the end
of the season is your focus, that's fine. I like to watch sports for the
competition, the struggle, the give and take. And in this game, those things
were drastically undercut with four minutes left in the first quarter. That is a
loss for everyone, I think. I am not implying anything else, nor derogating BYU
@ Joe MoeYes, really. Of course everyone would have rather had
Keeton on the field, but that isn't what I was talking about. I was
referring to the attempt by Aggie fans to denigrate BYU's win by saying
there is an asterisk by the win--nothing more and nothing less. There is no
asterisk by the win. Any attempt to put one by it is an attempt to minimize,
lessen, or downplay the win.Perhaps we should reverse the situation.
Let's list the win with no asterisk but let's put an asterisk by the
Aggies' loss. See the problem? It doesn't help at all. It's
just silly--kind of like this exchange which is why I'm done. You can
carry on if it's really that important to you.
Exactly right, Reno. It's part of the game, unfortunately. And in this
case, it made for a disappointing evening. Especially for Aggie fans, but also
to some degree for many Cougar fans as well, who would have liked to see if
their team could beat the Aggies with their key player on the field. Maybe
they would have, they played very well, but we won't ever know. And so the
Cougars take their win, and the Aggies take their loss, into the rest of the
Joe Moe,Yes the games are more fun when both teams are at full strength
but what should have BYU done quit after Chucky got hurt? What if Taysom had
gotten hurt instead like he did in last years game? Injuries happen and the
games and life goes on!!! That is why teams have backups to play if the starters
go down or get hurt!!!
H-man, really?! Assuming you are a Cougar fan, I ask you, wouldn't YOU
have rather beaten the Aggies WITH Keeton on the field?? Scenario
A: Aggies' star player is in the whole game, and BYU dominates.Scenario B: Aggies' star player is out most of the game, and BYU
dominates.Honestly, which do you prefer? Or is there REALLY no
difference to you? I can say with certainty, that if roles were reversed, I
would much rather beat an opponent with their A-team on the field. I think most
fans would. If we go up against a team with their second string quarterback,
I'm happy to have the win, sure, and the stats column doesn't care,
but it's less satisfying. We've all been on both sides of this
question, there's nothing new or baffling about it.
@Joe Moe who wrote: "And if BYU had still won . . . there would be no
asterisk."What asterisk? I looked at multiple listings of
college football scores--ESPN, CSB Sports, Sports Illustrated, etc. Funny, I
didn't see any asterisks by the score listing BYU's win. Apparently,
the only asterisks are in the minds of fans of the team that lost.
4601, you are absolutely right. To quote a favorite movie, "I'm not
arguing that with you!" But it sure would have been a much more enjoyable
game to watch with Keeton in (I assume that's true for BYU fans as well,
but maybe they wouldn't have liked it as much after all...ask a Cougar fan
I guess). And if BYU had still won, which they may well have the way they
played, there would be no asterisk. Not their fault, though, obviously. And to
reiterate my actual statement, it's crazy not to mention this major game
event in any summary of this game.
Joe Moe,Should the article also mention Adam Hine, Michael Alisa, Preston
Hadley and the offensive linemen that were out for BYU? The observation that it
would be a different game with Keeton is mastering the obvious, but speculation
that USU would win is wishful thinking.
@Y Grad / Y DadSaying that BYU beat a top 20 team is a laugher. Texas had
no business being in the top 20 and everyone with football knowledge knows that.
Utah almost........ beating UCLA means nothing just like it did when USU
almost..... beat the 2013 Rose Bowl Champion Wisconsin Badgers, and that was on
the road too. In the end, no one cares about "Almost". On Saturday
Northwestern almost......beat Ohio State. BYU lost to Notre Dame by 3 points
last year, but again, who won? Um, Notre Dame. No one cares about almost. USU
lost to BYU by 3 points in 2011 and 2012 playing at BYU which is a hard place to
play. Again, who cares about almost. The only thing that matters is a Win with
a capital "W".
Aggie00United States, UTTwo top 20 teams have travelled to
Utah this season. One of them escaped with a hard earned victory, and one of
them got knocked out of the top 20.Neither of them played Utah
State, but that's beside the point.
@SLC WatchDo you know why they were the top of the WAC 2.0? Because
it's the WAC 2.0 and nobody takes it serious. I think you should say that
to the USU fan's. I've seen those fan's act less like a
gentleman then I do. Clearly you've never been to a game in Logan. USU is
nothing without Keeton who proved why he isn't the best in the state.
Therefore, they cannot and will not win the WAC 2.0 title or make a bowl.
It's a fact that you and the rest of the aggies don't want to see.
@aggie00I don't think anyone is saying that keeton's
injury didn't "impact the...game", what people are saying is that
there is no reason to believe the final outcome would have been changed with the
exception of maybe the spread of BYU's victory. BYU already had the lead
and usu, and keeton, had done little to nothing at that point. I personally
believe he is a great enough player that he would have done some good things if
he'd been in the game but usu's defense was exposed by BYU and that
wouldn't have changed because of keeton's presence. Considering the way BYU has shut down keeton the previous 2 years why would
you simply assume he was going to be able to beat BYU this year? The record
shows BYU stops keeton, and beats him. Claiming usu wins with keeton is even
more deluded than saying keeton's injury had no effect. His injury had an
effect but BYU wins anyway.
@Stang08Can you please tell us who is at the top of the MWC? Hint, the
team goes by the letters USU and is in Logan, Utah.And yes it is
against the rules of politeness to be rude.Treat others like a
gentleman, not because they are, but because you are.Or don't
and let everyone know where you stand.
Kyle Wittingham said it best.Asked about what element of Utah State
concerned him, Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said, "Chuckie Keeton, first,
second and third thing." Asked for a fourth, Whittingham repeated
Keeton’s name. "He is Utah State’s catalyst," he said.
Whittingham said Keeton rated "up there" with any of the top
quarterbacks Utah has played in the Pac-12.My question is how USU
losing a guy like that didn't impact the BYU game? Go and ask Kyle
Wittingham who is full of football knowledge what he thinks.
I didn't get a chance to watch the game since somehow it was on some
strange station from what I hear and a family member couldn't record it,
but I was a bit surprised by the outcome. I think BYU is very good when they
eliminate stupid mistakes, that's what this game showed me, I have a great
deal of respect for Utah State and in fact always cheer for them except when
they play the Cougs. I do find it funny though how many times I read that if
Chuckie Keeten hadn't of been injured the game would have been much closer,
and you may be right but we'll never know, it's not like the Aggies
were driving the ball before then, the score they did have was because of a
short field, so you never know. I find it funny because if this were different
and a Cougar fan said something like that he'd be hammered by not living in
reality and stop making excuses. Just funny the double standard with that stuff.
Hopefully the Aggies can get Keeten back, either way the win the Mountain West!
What we do know is that none of the big Utah teams (Utah State, Utah, & BYU)
have beaten anyone big lately. Utah State will lose a few more games with
Chucky being out. Utah looks to be another PAC-12 bottom feeder, nothing to
brag about here. BYU will most likely loose at least 3 - 4 of their next 7
games. I guess that BYU fans can keep talking "1984" until the year
2100 if it makes them feel better. Utah fans can continue to talk about the
glory years with Urban Meyer. All 3 teams right now as they are (which is all
that really matters)are nothing but mediocre.
@Rirrt"Shame on you Stang08" really, are you serious?
It's not against the rules to mock a team or it's fan's.
Especially those fan's. They said they would win just about every game and
look what happend. They've lost three and the arrogance of the fan's
has cost Keeton his carrer. So much for the "Best QB in the state"
accolade. @SLC WatchCorrection they are in the WAC 2.0
which they have been in for years. All aggie fan's said he isn't
really a new coach so it's possible to go undefeated. Guess what he is a
new coach and because of that they have no clue what they are doing and now have
Until the last couple of years, USU hasn't been great, stop saying they
have been great before. They have yet to beat a good team this year. They
couldn't pull it out against a bad USC team, and they choked at Wisconsin
last year, and they didnt' show up last night. They are not great, they
are in the MWC, which is not good.
First of all... the game results would be the same with or without the excellent
CK because... he was out and in sports there is no such thing as an IF game. And
if you really want to play the IF game, then say, "How would CK have done if
he'd stayed in the game and performed about as he had..." (Unless you
prefer he would have stayed in the game and would have done much better... but
that is even more fan non-feasance.) Project his 4-10 passing and he would have
been 16-40 with 4 interceptions. But, the way he was constantly getting pounded
into the ground by the BYU defense he may not have last too many more quarters.
In the end, I really like Utah State and their program. I wish them
well to win the MWC. I believe Coach Wells is a class act and will build the
program even more. And I hope Chuckie Keaton heals quickly and returns for a
successful season and career.Lastly, shame on any BYU fan who mocks
USU and in an unsportsmanlike ridicule of the opposing team.
@Stang08Everyteam has to reinvent itself each year. Utah State is new to
the Mountain West Conference and that is the mountain they are climbing this
year. They have been great before and with the proper administration help,
great coaches, dedicated players and committed community support they can be
again. They will do well with Craig Harrison (CWood111's opinion to the
contrary) as they move forward. I support BYU's goals to not only
represent well on the football field but to do it with adherence to the values
and principals they espouse.Cheer for the team of your choice, leave the
bashing behind, especially if you want to support BYU and the principals they
want to represent.
First off, shame on stang08. Utah State is a good team, stop mocking them.
Second, I agree with Joe Moe and cwood1111. the game would be a lot closer with
Chuckie Keaton at the helm and that should have been mentioned. Third, you also
have to look at the fact that before he went out Chuckie Keaton was 4 for 10.
BYU knew what they were doing on defense. They came prepared. If that keeps up
BYU still wins this game going away. But lets keep some perspective. And by
the way, I'm a LIFE LONG COUGAR FAN. I just don't like it when other
fans mock good instate rivals(though I have some tolerance when it comes to
Utah). You are just giving them locker room fodder for next year, when Keaton
will be back and better than this year. BTY, is he eligible for a medical
redshirt? I hope so.
Way to go Byu! Way to stop Powerhouse QB Craig Harrison. IF Chuckie didn't
get injured this game would have been a lot closer.
I can't say enough about BYU's Bronco's defense. They are a joy
to watch and certainly one of the best in the country. I remember the many years
when BYU would lose shootouts (e.g. Penn State) or get trampled by an offense
(Florida State, TCU). I really enjoy watching this defense. Amazing!
How could you possibly write a review of this game, even a relatively short one
like this, without noting that the USU star quarterback went out in the first
quarter with a major knee injury?? That is simply journalistic malfeasance.
It's fun when you are always right. But it's kinda lonely at the top.
Of course the aggies will never know that feeling lol.