New poll finds Utahns don't believe Obamacare fight worth shutting down government

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    the government is shut down ...and ...oh my gosh....nothing has changed. Just like the sequester nonsense ...nothing has changed. The real truth is 80% of the government is up and running and with the exception of a national park or two what else has changed? Has the US mail stopped? Has social security checks stopped? Do our soldiers not have gas for their HumV's? If there is anything essential not running you can blame Harry and Barack because the GOP has proposed 8 bills to fully fund all Veterans stuff and other essential federal programs etc... but Barack is more concerned with 'making it hurt' than leading the nation. Yes sir ...make it hurt Barack. Nice to know we have a leader watching out for us doesn't it.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Oct. 8, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    "A majority of Utahns don't believe it was worth shutting down the federal government to fight President Barack Obama's new health care law and most blame Republicans just as much as Democrats, according to a new Deseret News/KSL poll."

    I mean, HOW can any Christian interested in fairness and truth blame the Dems in the same proportion as the Repubs, in this case?

    Extortion is not a Christian value, nor is obstructionism, nor is being willing to damage the country to get your way.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    My comments are ALWAYS censored by DN...It's Obama's fault!!!

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    To the certain religious members that remain dominant in Utah and Idaho that use words such as "Patriotism", "Rights", "Freedom" (and my personal favorite) "The Constitution" I ask....Do these words only pertain to you and or your group's said beliefs? Amazing that you do not want the government involved in "your" healthcare decisions but then you are all just fine with the same government telling you whom you can and cannot marry! So many more things need to be fixed here in Utah. State education system (including teacher pay), draconian liquor laws, (again the government telling you what you can & cannot drink!) Infrastructure and most important voting out every last single one of these adolescent, destructive Tea Partiers!

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 8, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    If we've learned anything with the shutdown is no shutdown is 100% and the president chooses to fund PBS over national parks.

    Second, we are overly dependent on the Federal Government, good wake up call.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    He's not fighting for this Utahn.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    Obamacare will cost my family over $6500 more a year for the "Gold" plan, meaning second from the bottom. Deductible will increase to $6000 a year, meaning that it will cost our family close to $15,000 a year for health insurance compared to $4200 at present. Someone is clearly benefitting from Obamacare, but it's not my family! Outrageous!! I will vote against any candidate or incumbent who is not for repealing this monstrosity!!

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The government should keep its current obligations and do its best to restrict and peel back the things it can influence. These strong-handed maneuvers seldom yield good longterm solutions.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    Obama and Reid are responsible for shutting down the government because they refused to accept the funding money the House gave them to fully fund the government less Obamacare. Now Obama is trying to make it worse by shutting down things that are not owned or funded by the federal government like the state roads to some memorials and places like Mount Vernon, etc. The tyranny is getting worse each day. Thank goodness we have men of courage and not compromise like Lee and Cruz.

  • Solon Draper, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    I believe that it is unconscionable that the President or Congress would play chicken with a government default.

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    Oct. 6, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    The Utah poll results reported here are confirmed by national poll results. Contrary to what the far Right true believers think, more than 70% of Americans oppose the Republican shutdown of our federal government. Most understand that 'Obamacare' is a viable law passed by both Houses of Congress and signed by the President. It was also upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States. People know there is no rational reason to let most Republicans in the House overrule a duly passed law. All of our branches of government count, not just a minority of the majority of the House.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Obama and Reid apparently haven't read or simply don't care and the constitution which clearly establishes three branches of government. Democrats are being exceeding selfish and arrogant, they are wanting everything and giving up nothing. This indicates that they are the culprits wanting to shut down government. Obama has never really governed all he does is campaign and complain. He then says disingenuous things like he works with Republicans. No he dictates his demands and using the bully pulpit and a lapdog media to force his way. It is Harry Reid and Obama who shut down the government.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Dan Jones provides accurate,reliable polls. Those who dismiss his polls as liberal and inaccurate are likely the same types of people who dismissed the polls predicting an Obama win. Many were completely shocked -- including Romney -- when Romney lost.

    It's important to look at the time-tested, scientific polls -- such as Dan Jones. Accurate, scientific polls also suggest the Republicans are currently self-destructing; yet stubborn, rigid Republicans refuse to see the writing on the wall.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    Some people look forward to Christmas, vacations, warm weather.
    From now on we can also look forward to extreme right wing Tea Party politicians who chose to shutdown the US government and totally disrupt our country.
    According to them this will occur year after year after year.....
    Let's find a name for this, so we can put it on our calendars as a day to remember!

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Trying to defund a legitimately legislated law by shutting down the entire federal government, and threatening to default on debts that could lead to a recession (or a depression) that could dwarf the recession brought about by the bursting of the housing and finance bubble, and could destabilize the WORLD'S ECONOMY, is NOT what I want in a President. It shows that he is grandstanding, rather than trying to save democreacy.

    Mr. Lee is playing a political game of chicken! Even if republicans back down in time to avoid defaulting, there is a distinct possibility that the damage that has been done could lead to damage and undermine the United States' role as a financial superpower that leads in setting economic policy for the world.

    This may sound exaggerated, but remember what happen the last time the "fiscal cliff" was averted, and how it led to the lowering of the credit rating of the US. The reason why? They doubted the ability of the two party system to compromise and come to an agreement over on a satisfying political solution to the divides that could lead to default....


  • arand Huntsville, u
    Oct. 6, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Let us not forget, it might be better for a little shut down now for a deeper discussion, than to end up with a total collapse a little further down the road. We can't keep printing money, because sooner or later no one will want our debt. Have you noticed how many potato chips are now in a bag now compared to a couple of years ago. It is called inflation, the kind we really don't notice all at once, but it is still there. Finally when the Fed has to raise interest rates, which it will finally have to do, we are going to be in big trouble.

    We have to stop playing this political game on both sides of the isle. Remember, when you point a finger, you always have 3 of your own fingers pointing back at you.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    @ Captain Green
    Matthew 22:29 "Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God"

    Acts 2:42-44The Fellowship of the Believers

    44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

    Socialism is an ugly word for you. Socialism and communism may define the millennium. Forget Marxism, I am talking about the government of Christ.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:55 a.m.

    I sure found out something scary which came to a head during this shut down. Obamacare is a tax imposed on the American people under the guise of health insurance. It went through Congress as a tax and that's why Obama was so adamant that it was funded. That's why the expensive insurance premiums (Affordable Health care, my foot) and the fines for employers and people who choose not to participate. I am proud of the House for sticking to their principles. I sure hope they don't give in to the greed of this administration.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Good for you, Autumn! It gives me hope for the survival of our once great republic that good people like Senators Lee and Cruz are standing strong against the massive opposition of the Socialist Left, who are determined to destroy America.

    Neither the President nor the Senate have the authority to force funding of this Socialized Medicine plan being forced upon us against our will. Only the House decides how and where our tax dollars are spent!

    We should be encouraging them to keep fighting against implementation of the Affordable Care Act... regardless of how long the federal government must remain shut down. This is a VERY GOOD reason to do it. And I applaud these Patriotic Senators wholeheartedly.

    Almost everyone I have talked to here in Utah feels the same way. And so I also question how they came up with these numbers.

    Captain Jim Green

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    Senators Cruz and Lee are Patriots just like our Founders who understood well and fought for proper principles of governance. They are heroes in my view and I support them wholly! We must do battle against the evils of Socialism which will destroy our once great republic faster than just about anything else.

    And for Baccus0902... No, the Savior would "not" approve of a Marxist plan to provide something for some at the expense of all others whose tax dollars are confiscated by force. Charity is to be done only by individuals voluntarily... never through mandatory taxation of the government! It's the difference between good & evil.

    Therein lies the difference between Bleeding-heart Liberals, who are wrong, and Patriotic Conservatives, who are right. One system works, is fair, and sustainable, the other always fails.

    The Socialist programs of Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare are all bankrupt with well over "120 Trillion Dollars" of unfunded obligations. And the Leftists think we can somehow now afford to add a Socialist program that will dwarf these others in its astronomical cost.

    Only those who believe in the destruction of America could support the Affordable Care Act! To survive we must abolish it!

  • Brown Honeyvale, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    Dan Jones calls folks they believes will give them a certain response. I have participated in many of their polls but they didn't call me for this one. Go figure, I am sure it is because of the responses I have given in other polls.

    It is all a racquet and your reporting is biased. Where is Matheson? I haven't heard anything from him. He doesn't represent Utahans. He represents himself and flies under the radar. Why did you even pull him into this article? I am sure only to help with his re-election campaign. Get some integrity Ms. Roche.

    We should Stand For Something. Matheson stands for nothing but his desire to be re-elected.

    The President and Senate's temper-tantrum could shut down some more Veteran's Memorials and refuse to sign the bills the House is sending to fund the government. Obamacare is a symbol of the Democrats passing legislation only to say they did it, who cares how good or well thought out. Other polls show 70% of Americans don't like Obamacare and Mike Lee represents that. Wow, a politician who actually tries to represent his constituents.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:40 p.m.


    I really enjoyed your comment.

    Please continue to share your opinions with DN Readers.


  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:32 p.m.


    Great suggestion!

    Republican MD's should heal patients free of charge and voluntarily.

    We know evil Democratic MD's would never do this.

    Well...maybe they might...if the Republican MD's would show them by example...

    Who knows?

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Christ's view of healthcare:

    Christ healed the sick free of charge and voluntarily. So did his disciples.
    He never forced anyone to be healed.

  • Truthseeker2 SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:41 p.m.


    If you are covered by a plan that existed March 23, 2010, your plan may be "grandfathered." You may not get some new rights and protections that other plans offer.
    Here's a quick look at the consumer protections that do and don't apply to grandfathered plans:

    All health plans must:

    End lifetime limits on coverage
    End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
    Cover adult children up to age 26
    Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
    Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses.

    Grandfathered plans DON'T have to:

    Cover preventive care for free
    Guarantee your right to appeal
    Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care
    Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases

    In addition to the above, grandfathered INDIVIDUAL health insurance plans (the kind you buy yourself, not the kind you get from an employer) don't have to:

    End yearly limits on coverage
    Cover you if you have a pre-existing health condition

  • ProudUtahn St. George, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Their is a Video on U tube, from a talk show, they went out on the side walk and talked to the people of Los Angeles. The question was: Do you prefer the affordable care act or Obama care act? 100% liked the affordable care act because it gave American's a choice and options.
    None of them liked the Obama care act because it forced the public into something they did not want. These people were inbaresed when they were told they were the same thing. This is how the American public (who has a short memory) form their opinion now days by the media, who is very liberal and for the president. last election Obama swore he would not raise taxes on the middle or low income people. HE DID.
    @ Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA "@ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?" Answer: not the way this is being provided, we already have Medicaid and other programs for the truly needy. There are those who would rather have their toys than insurance (there are programs that help them to when they need) Jesus Christ taught agency and love, not force and intimidation.

  • Jerome from Layton Layton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    The pie charts could be interpreted several ways due to the huge "fence sitting" group (41% Both equally to blame). Wait until that 56% get their "sticker shock" at the exchange. I know of one person who will find out that his health plan will have to be replaced because the employer's plan is not in compliance with the ACA. So, the reasonably priced high deductible plan goes away and now he will get coverage for a pelvic exam, among other things.

  • Jerome from Layton Layton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    The House has sent between three and four dozen bills to do something about Obama "Care" that have died in the Senate the same way Illinois Senator Obama voted to treat abortion survivors. Finally, the House got some leverage (the Continuing Resolution) to force Senators to "cowboy up" and actually vote on the thing. Hanging tough is running about six to one among those I know, most of us on Furlough status. This "survey" is part of the campaign to split the Republicans in order to get a CR including Obamantion out of the House. There is no such thing as a "clean" CR, especially this infected one.

    By the way, I recently saw a letter from a person's employer informing him that his current health plan did not conform to the ACA and that he had to make some choices. When I checked with the UTAH Insurance Commission, I found that choice is Hobson's. (See Canterbury Tales)

  • Truthseeker2 SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    "Congress, however, has failed to address the worst excesses in the federal budget -- the bloated, highly wasteful military budget. More than half of federal discretionary spending now goes to the military budget.

    Including all the extra expenditures for various unlawful overseas military exploits, the U.S. defense budget for 2013 is estimated to be around $716 billion (not counting defense expenses in other civilian departments.) To strike a comparison,China, the next biggest military spender, has a budget of $106 billion as reported by their government. Remarkably, you can add the military budgets of the next ten largest spending countries and still not match the U.S.'s astronomical military budget -- which is fully half of the U.S. government's entire operating budget, post Soviet Union, no less!

    Which leads us the most important question -- where do all these billions of dollars go?

    The GAO every year declares the Pentagon budget to be "un-auditable." The GAO website lists the DOD financial management as "High Risk", reporting that: "Significant financial and related business management systems and control weaknesses have adversely affected DOD's ability to control costs; ensure basic accountability; anticipate future costs......"
    (Ralph Nader 10/4/13)

  • Nanook of the North Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 5, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Wow. The hate and the ignorance here about Obamacare is appalling. I have spent the last 5 years living and working in the US (I'm a Canadian), in the health insurance industry, in Medicaid, and I'm up to my elbows in Obamacare. And you know what? IT'S WORKING. It is NOT the boogeyman so many commenters here think it is. I don't know what you've been listening to (although I can guess), but despite its faults, the Affordable Care Act has already gone a long way to making healthcare more affordable for EVERYONE, even those who already have decent health insurance. And now, lots of uninsured people can get affordable insurance through the exchanges, which means that they can get minor problems fixed at a doctor's office, rather than wait until they become big ER problems that WE all have to pay for when they can't pay. 99% of the things I've read here in the comments about Obamacare are dead, dead wrong. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816.

  • Clint Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    The damage that will be done to our country by the Unaffordable Care Act will far outweigh the short term damage by a minimal shutdown of the government. Obamacare does nothing of the things it proposed to do and it costs far exceed the proposed costs. It is already causing more damage than the shutdown is causing. If anyone is really concerned about the innocent people who are being hurt then urge the Senators to pass the bills from Congress to fund the government. Urge the President to quit being so spiteful. Then lets get down to dealing w the monstrous disaster that is Obamacare.

  • djk blue springs, MO
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    then the utah citizens are supporting obama's high priced deals that destroy our country. i am supporting the shut down. some need to make a stance and be firm. obama is not to be believed.

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    I heard at coffee this morning that if the TeaPublican hostage taking works and obamacare is defunded, that there is already a TeaPublican group that wants to hold the government hostage until all government taxpayer subsidies are eliminated. Yup, either eliminate all subsidies going to Utah and other States or the government will stay shut down! I know the majority of taxpayers will support I think you people in Utah and others better start preparing for the future!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:10 p.m.


    You are correct. If Idaho had accepted federal help and expanded Medicaid as other states have, you would qualify for substantial subsidies. Because your income is so low, most likely you will not be required to pay the fee/tax imposed on those who choose to not buy health insurance.

    I would suggest you contact your states legislators to let them know how you feel.

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    I can't believe there is such a high demand for a program that will destroy our America. I hope these kinds of people don't get too comfortable with their new health insurance, because we will be taking it from them when we TeaPublicans take back our America in 2014 and 2016! Just a fact of life folks. So you better prepare for it!

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Of all places, I just can't believe that Utahn's are so dependent upon federal government for their existence. FYI, The less government the better. The government shut down is well worth getting rid of Obama's communist medical care plan.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    I never thought I'd see the day when self-sufficient Utahans would be so poorly informed as to think defeat Obamacare wasn't worth the fight. It is a sad day when the independence of members of the LDS faith is no longer a dominant force in the once great state of Utah.

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    The Bombardier Beetle has an amazing weapon. But I saw a video of it use it when it was already encased in the spider's wrapping and therefore only hurting itself.
    If not now, when do we stand up?

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:34 p.m.


    "ACA is about health and dignity for all. Christ would approve." -Baccus0902

    Yes, Christ would want health care and dignity for all, he just wouldn't force the poor and indigent to have to pay for it at the point of a gun.

    Here in Idaho, there will still be an estimated 70,000 poor people which ObamaCare does not subsidize and whom the Federal government will still demand pay for their own health care insurance, even though they live below the Federal government's poverty line.

    How in the world is an individual who makes less than $11,490* per year going to pay for health insurance that will cost them over $300.00 per month? (single male over 50) They simply cannot afford do it. Medicaid was not expanded in Idaho and does not cover the working poor. To those would say it's the State of Idaho's fault for not covering them, I say baloney ... the ACA, if enacted properly, should have covered everyone who does not meet their state's Medicaid guidelines. As a result, there are still going to be millions of people in the U.S. who do not have health insurance.

    *(2013 Federal poverty line)

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    It is now crossing the mind of many that Lee and Cruz know this is the grand finale of both of their political careers.
    Because of this, they will try to destroy any thing that is beneficial. As they continue their idiotic and unpatriotic behavior, these two hope to drag as many other politicians and voters into their web of destruction as possible.

  • Rebe Herriman, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    I am a Republican, and while I feel that many issues still need to be addressed and fixed in the ACA, I am 100% against the shutdown of the government over it. It should be a separate issue and the only people getting hurt once again, are the "little guys." I am tired of the Tea Party and I am tired of the extreme liberals in our Congress. No one wants to compromise! For those that think the Dan Jones Poll isn't accurate, I absolutely believe it is because all of my family and friends that are Republican are completely against the shutdown!

  • Paddycakes Prescott, AZ
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    This problem is 100% caused by the Republicans in general and the Tea Party in particular. Those miscreants are going to pay a price for causing this come election time. It is a last-ditch effort to derail health care which is the law of the land. Republican are the bane of America.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Fewer Americans now describe themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement than did at the height of the movement in 2010, or even at the start of 2012. Today's 22% support nearly matches the record low found two years ago.
    (Gallup Sept 2013)

    "The unfavorable numbers for the tea party movement are also at an all-time high in CNN surveys.
    Thirty-one percent say they see the tea party in a favorable light, while 54% hold an unfavorable view of the of the movement now in its fifth year."
    (CNN Sept 2013)

    The nationwide survey found that 72% disapprove forcing a shutdown as a means of halting implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Just 25% approved. Independent voters (76 percent) give a thumbs-down to the shutdown. Even those who don’t like the Affordable Care Act — popularly labeled Obamacare — disapproved of the shutdown by a 59-38 percent margin.
    (CBS Oct 2013)

  • Gof kaysville,, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    There is a reason the article doesn't explain how the poll was taken. I have been polled before and its obvious how they were slanting it then. It can be slanted anyway the little progresives wimps at the paper want. I have no doubt they only polled Utah residents in SLC area who never have been and never will be Utahns.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @ Sammyg 9:08


    "@ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?"

    Sammyg : "Do you think Christ supports abortion?"

    A long time ago I decided that I would support life and I do. That is why I don't believe in capital punishment. However, I hear of many women that face abortion to save their own life, others because their pregnancy is product of rape and or incest. Sometimes the fetus/baby may be growing with a horrible disease. You may be bringing a baby to a world that is cruel and poor in material, social and spiritual conditions i.e. Somalia, or worse condition here in the U.S.A.

    I answering your question: I believe that Christ gives us our free agency, education and intelligence to make difficult decisions.

    That is why I think ACA is consistent with Christianity. All citizens should enjoy health care and have their free choice.

    ACA is about health and dignity for all. Christ would approve.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    It looks like the citizens of the State of Utah have more sense that their elected officials. You don't shut down the government to make a political statement on one issue. I'm a registered Republican who doesn't recognize the party anymore. Its time to return power to Republicans who understand their first job is to govern, not play political games with people's lives and the country's safety. If we don't show people like Lee and Cruz the door, Republicans will quickly become irrelevant.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    Re: "Do you think Christ supports abortion?"

    "Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off ... And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."

    Likewise, it is better for the mother's salvation that she pluck out her fetus rather than bear a child and mistreat it because it isn't wanted. Better, too, for the child, which is not only spared earthly suffering, but as we know, "all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven," which is the ultimate goal.

    A General Authority once said: "Sometimes I have thought that probably some of these choice spirits did not need the experience here in mortality like other children, and that is why the Lord has seen fit to call them home."

    You can't thwart God. Since He knows who will have an abortion, naturally He places those spirits who do not need mortal experience in vessels from which they will soon return to Him.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Polls are always misleading and biased. You can never get the truth out of them because it depends on what kind of people respond to them. Only the gullible trust polls.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    There's a long established process for passing a budget and for repealing legislation.

    Republicans have refused to "negotiate" with Democrats on a budget since March 2013, despite repeated requests from the Senate Budget Committee. The Senate however, put the House budget measure up to a full vote and it didn't pass.

    The House alone can't repeal legislation. The majority control of our federal governing body is held by the Democrats.

    These T-Party appeasing legislators are a very dangerous, reckless and extremist group and they are bringing down the good faith and credit the world had in the U.S. They are also responsible for the first downgrade in history of the credit rating of the U.S.

    A Mormon from UT is front and center of this group.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    I didn't support Senator Lee when he ran for office, but I support him now.

  • Nonconlib Happy Valley, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    The results of this poll are hilarious but predictable. Of course most Utahns will not blame the Republicans in the House for this circus. But that doesn't change the facts. If they had not insisted on tying a totally unrelated piece of legislation (which they knew would go nowhere) to a pedestrian funding bill, the government would not have shut down.

    But apparently neither our Congressional representatives nor the majority of Utahns understand the dangerous game they are playing. This game of hostage taking and ransom demands opens the gate for using this tactic on every sort of legislation imaginable in the future, which would spell the end of constitutional government. Remember, GOP and Utah, what goes around comes around. You think there will not be long-term ramifications to this stunt? Fortunately, the rest of the country is not so gullible as Utah.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Heh, half of you all must still think Romney was leading going into election night (all that polling data that led to Nate Silver getting all but maybe Florida, which turned out to be the closest state, right ended up pointing to the answer anyway).

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    In Graduate school for my MPA degree, I took a year long course in Qualitative and quantitative data and statistical analysis. (yawn, but needed) I learned the difference that answering big questions comes from good polling, that MUST include at the minimum, 1,500 random samples to be accurate. A poll of 410 people, who live in unknown areas, do not represent the mood of any group, except the 410 people who were polled. I think a better study would result in different numbers. I blame the GOP leader for the shut down because he will not bring a the budget to be voted on straight up or down. It would pass if the teapublicans would get up off the floor where they are in tantrums.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    I checked with all of my sources...

    Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Drudge, right-wing ultra-conservative blogs...

    Not one of these gold standard trusted sources of information agree with this article/poll.

    As far as polling goes...I like the results of polls that confirm my preconceived bias.

    My bias in this case?

    After carefully listening to all the sources listed above, I have come to the conclusion voiced by the Republican Rep. from South Carolina MD Kris Crawford and echoed by the behavior of all Republicans...

    "...It is good politics to oppose the black guy in The White House especially for the Republican Party...".

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    The Tea Party put their red line in the sand and though a small part of the Republican Party by elected officials have pushed their agenda to every Republican house member by calling those Republicans unfaithful to their party. The Tea Party is not a party and their media process is almost as bad as the President's. Chaffetz and Lee are not the state of Utah but they were elected to represent Utahns and not their own biased views.

    The media loves to use the Tea Party against the Republicans in a way that will destroy the Republican party's credibility, if they still have any.

    Split and Divide the right and left flanks has been going on since Cain and Abel to the demise of part of them or both. Ishmael and Isaac are still out there for the near future.

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    The biggest tragedy in all of this is that the Americans that need Affordable Health Care are so confused at this point. It is sad. I refuse to talk to anyone about "Obamacare" (a term I believe Republicans came up with to help voters not like the plan. I will only discuss "Affordable Health Care" and I refer them to the government site to get answers to their questions.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Obamacare is akin to the money changers thrown out of the temple by Christ.....he never once said overtax the people and make all people suffer while the politicians play golf and trip around the world on the backs of the faithful! He instead encouraged us to take care of the poor through charity and love...

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Mike Lee panders by saying Utahns have an "extra gene of patriotism"

    What about religious edicts saying we are subject to "kings, presidents, magistrates, and rulers"???

    I think the extra gene theory is ludicrous and absolutely patently false! And many, many Utahns could use some straightening out with regards to what their religion teaches.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    To sum it up:

    A majority of DN commenters and their associates support shutting down the govt to delay or defund Obamacare.

    Perhaps Democrats should do the same in order to get expanded gun background checks?
    Afterall, a majority of Americans support expanded background checks.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    This poll shows two things:

    1- Low information voters (and poll respondents) are easily misled bu carefully crafted poll questions.

    2- The media is overwhelmingly in the Obama camp and their propaganda message in favor of Obamacare, and blaming the Republicans is getting through.

    Anyone who understands the dire financial condition our country is in, and the ramifications for future spending as well as our individual health care cost, quality and availability recognizes that Obamacare must be stopped, or at least delayed until it can be repealed.

    The fight over Obamacare is mild compared to the real battle over raising the debt limit and you can be sure that once again Republicans will be portrayed as mean, evil, greedy, uncaring jerks for wanting to cut ANYTHING, despite the obvious fact that we are long past the point of being unsustainable for ALL of our entitlement programs.

    "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."

  • Humbly Yours Camas, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Anyone else feel politically hopeless after reading this article? If UTAH'S majority does not see how Obamacare is a violation of practically EVERY principle and virtue that our pilgrim and patriot ancestors sacrificed everything for, then what will!? And if UTAH doesn't see fighting for principle in this moment - despite the cost - than how will we EVER fight for for principle again?

    Didn't I read 'somewhere' that when the "voice of the people" i.e.majority "doth choose iniquity" (Obamacare?) then pretty much 'God help us?'

    God help us.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:08 a.m.


    "@ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?"

    Do you think Christ supports abortion?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    "vile saboteurs"

    Yeah right. When libs begin using terms such as the above to define those that are executing their constitutional right in the House and Senate we begin to understand what is really happening.

  • leer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    No methodology, no credibility. National polling has consistently shown that a majority of Americans (Dems & GOP) don't want Obamacare, never did - everyone knows the outcome of socialized medicine - poor healthcare for all, rationing and fewer doc and medical options. It's a bad law, should never have passed but it did through D.C. procedural trickery and coercion, which was very unfortunate. I applaud Senators Mike Lee and Ted Cruz (and many others in Senate and Congress) for finally standing up for the majority of Americans and our future freedom when polls and media won't.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    When we chose Mike Lee over Bailout Bob, it was because we knew he would stand for principle, whether or not it was always popular. I'm grateful that he is willing to take a stand. Obamacare is a bigger disaster than any temporary shutdown of non-essential government services.

    (I'm always suspicious of news stories which report the results of a poll without reporting also the wording of the questions. This is the Internet age. Surely the poll's internals could be posted, and a link provided from the story. I wonder if the comment moderator would pass this suggestion along to the editor.)

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    The ACA, ie. Obamacare, is the law. It was approved by the House and the Senate, both of whom were voted in by their states and districts. It was signed by the president and vetted by the Supreme Court. It survived about 49 attempts to repeal it. To say it was 'shoved down the throat' of the American people is certainly not true.

    The Republicans will now hurt anyone they must to score political points with this stunt. They can't stop the ACA. It's already funded and implemented.

  • Humbly Yours Camas, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Anyone else feel politically hopeless after reading this article? If UTAH'S majority does not see how Obamacare is a violation of practically EVERY principle and virtue that our pilgrim and patriot ancestors sacrificed everything for, then what will!? And if UTAH doesn't see fighting for principle in this moment - despite the cost - than how will we EVER standfight for something again?

    Didn't I read 'somewhere' that when the "voice of the people" i.e.majority "doth choose iniquity" (Obamacare?) then pretty much 'God help us?'

    God help us.

    Pragmatism and comprimise can never be built upon the foundational principle of 'standing for right - even when no one else will. was sacrificed everything for very state that claimed to embrace principles of s to embr

  • carpoolmom SOUTH JORDAN, Salt Lake
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Republicans aren't shutting down the government. They want things fixed first. They believe if Obama, congress and big corporations get exemptions then why should the people have to have it.Dems want to only inflict pain by shutting down the vet memorial and the parking lot at Mount Vernon even though it's privately owned. It takes more effort and money to put up barriers. They are playing politics and it's cruel. Hurting the people so they will blame it on Republicans. Reid doesn't even care about a little girl getting funding for cancer treatment as long as he can win this fight.. And no I'm not Republican. I'm proud of Lee. Whoever voted for Hatch or Matheson should be ashamed. Neither has a backbone and are both only there for power. Whey else would Hatch stay so long? He rarely has stood up for the people. Lee has got so much hate from both Dems and Rep but continues to fight to help us get better health care.Hatch ran on doing all he could to fight Obamacare but again that was just to get reelected.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    I love it... unless a poll says "everybody thinks like I do", well the poll must be suspect.

    Have you ever considered that you hang out with people of a like mind - and that those who dont' agree with your view point, just don't express that to you directly?

    Nope... must be bad polling data.... because your way of thinking is the only valid way of think. Hence the need for only one political party in Utah... no debate. No discussion. No different life experiences. Everyone is the same....

    Good grief...

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    It is worth far more than shutting down the government.
    Here is what is at stake: Obama Care gives the executive branch far more than life and death control over every American, it gives them full access to 100% of your private information.
    All your financial records.
    All your medical records.
    NSA already maintains a massive database on all of your electronic communications. They know who you are communicating with and what your are saying.

    How does Obama and his supporters use private information?

    Obama won the Democrat Primary for State Senate in Illinois because David Axlerod got his old employer, the Chicago Tribune, to to unseal the divorce records of his opponent. The incumbent dropped out of the race.

    How did Obama win a seat in the US Senate? The LA Times got a California judge to unseal the divorce records of his opponent, Jack Ryan and published such salacious material that Jack could not recover.

    This private information will be used for opposition research. Anyone who does or says anything this crowd does not like will be destroyed. Obama is using the IRS to target the TEA Party.

    He will use it against you.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    It is heartening to see that, even in a Dan Jones poll, that two thirds of the people of this state do NOT disapprove of Mike Lee; a majority that would be coveted by most congressmen. Even a small majority do NOT disapprove of the Tea Party; alleluia! The negative spin of the article is noted.

    Utahns have not all, and not always, been courageous defenders of freedom and the Constitution but I believe the present crisis is seen as a last stand for freedom; maybe it is!

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Anyone who believes it is even feasible to "eliminate" the Affordable Care Act through this shutdown has been snookered by the Republican Party. I'm not being facetious, it literally is not possible. What the Republicans are doing is known as grandstanding; it is not problem-solving.

    So, if they'll lie to you about the premise for shutting down our government, what else are they willing to lie to you about?

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Americans are getting what we deserve. We say we want things (a balanced budget, no Obamacare, less government regulation) but we fail to support those politicians actually brave enough to fight for those things. All it takes is a couple of negative stories from liberal journalists and the people are willing to throw people like Mike Lee under the bus. We are $17, 000, 000, 000, 000 in debt! 40 cents of every dollar the government spends is borrowed. But hey, we can get an Obama phone, green energy companies can hundreds of millions in government loans before they collapse and we can all be forced to buy insurance with "benefits" I don't want at inflated prices from companies that donated millions to Obama.

    Yes, I guess Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are radicals. By todays standards, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Frankin are extremists. I am thankful that we have a few radicals who are willing to risk their political futures to try and protect our liberty and prevent a complete fiscal meltdown. Can we send Orrin Hatch to Texas for Ted Cruz and a future draft pick?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Truth: Dan Jones is a widely respected and highly ethical pollster. Talk to the citizens in Southern Utah whose living depends on tourism to our national parks and ask them who they feel about the mess congress has created. The real train wreck is the tea party. I predict Lee will go down in flames next election. The irony of all this is the ACA was proposed by conservative republicans and implemented by Romney in MA. The ACA was the topic of discussion at work. While everyone opposed it all present liked parts of it. The republicans are fighting battles they cannot win. Republicans unwillingness to face reality is hurting our economy.

  • Mind to Mind St.Peters, MO
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    A poll of 410 people is hardly worth mention!

    And is certainly NOT VALID as a baseline for anything meaningful!

    Rewrite this..."news article"....when the number of people polled reaches 10,000.

    Then there might be some value to the "reporting" on this subject!

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Outside the U.S. people cannot understand this insanity. A law has been approved through a democratic process, upheld by the Supreme court, confirmed by the reelection of Obama, and then a minority can get its party to try to block the implementation of the law through unfunding and is willing to shutdown the government over it? Dictators are laughing: that is American democracy?

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    The continued obstruction by House Speaker Boehner to bring the CRA to the floor for a vote is simply failed leadership. During the normal Legislative session the House voted no less than 50 times to abolish ACA, every one failed even with a Republican majority.
    A Continuing Resolution is simply a tool to continue funding the Govt. at the previous year levels. It is not a new annual budget, something the Congress has not done in years. Like it or not, the ACA is the law, confirmed by the Supreme Court and this tactic is shameful. Work out the differences as the FY14 budget is developed and approved.
    I am a Moderate Republican and see nothing of value to be gained in this childish effort. Backers $$ of Sen Cruz are now attacking other Republicans who do not agree in ads. A blog I read on another site listed a score or more of past Republican legislation not popular with the Dems that is now open to repeal when the Dems take the House and strengthen their position in the Senate.
    Be careful what you ask for, you may not like it.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    This fight is more about over reach of government and out of control spending. What the republicans are trying to do is turn essential government programs back on without funding things that we don't need. It is an awesome way to show the US public how to cut the budget! Go Senator Lee and Thank you.

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    "Utahns expect effectiveness and efficiency and results out of their government, not ideological tantrums."

    I guess this means that Utahans are very happy with their government then? Efficiency? Yep, no waste, fraud and abuse there!

    I think what the poll says is that many Utahans are not willing to fight for freedom and liberty. They are very pragmatic about the government being trillions of dollars in debt and borrowing 40% of all we spend and paying huge interest on that borrowing? About jobs disappearing?

    Being pragmatic though, if one does not recognize that freedom and liberty are disappearing, then it makes little difference now. Later though, their tune will change!

    Fully fund Obamacare - make everyone participate - do away with all exemption, exceptions and exclusions, including the President, Michele, unions, churches and congress. Make it effective immediately with no delays - start it today. No waiting until after the 2014 elections.

    See if the people still believe it will bring costs down and improve healthcare. Then see if the Democrats and the RINOs will be willing to continue funding it or perhaps they will want to repeal it? Maybe then they will want some "Change"?

    Tax credits means we pay for it.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    They didn't call me. The poll question should have read, "Do you shut the government down for a few days to get rid of Obamacare or do you let Obamacare shut down the economy and the government as we know it permanently?"

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    I'll believe that next election cycle, and I won't be holding my breath. The first comment on this page is more believable about the Utah mind-set.

    Thrilled with Mike Lee...really? really? So sad it's funny!

  • Paul Scholes Provo, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Could it be Autumn that you and I tend to spend time around those who share our views? The Jones organization is a polling organization with a stellar reputation for conducting scientifically valid polls.

    To another issue - I take exception to Evans' statements that Utahns simply don't understand that Democrats turned down bills to fund the government or we would have responded differently to the polls. It is just that kind of dishonest patronizing ("If only you knew what we know, you would understand that we are right and you are unintentionally wrong" attitude that bothers me. I read multiple papers daily including those on the left and right as well as one or more international newspapers. To suggest that I am somehow uninformed if I don't agree with your position is the height of arrogance. I firmly disagree with Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz on their handling of this issue. I am informed. And, I vote.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    If this article is based on true facts.Then, there is hope for Utah.
    If Utahns are really pragmatics as the article indicates, hopefully they will analyze their political,social, economical decisions before talking and voting.

    What I usually perceive from this paper is a bias against the Democratic Party. I think may LDS members feel that the Republican party is the Church's party ( I know, I know, the church indicates that the brethren don't take sides).

    Most of the country do blames the Republican party, not because of their ideology but for being spineless and allowed themselves to be taken hostage by the extremist of the Tea Party.

    @ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:30 a.m.

    America's future looks very dark when a controlling interest in the government is out to take away the people's healthcare, food stamps, nutrition, clean air and water, and now livelihoods -- all to preserve the inequalities of society's status quo.

  • FrankSegesman ,
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    Hmmm... Let's try to guess what demographic of people were asked the poll questions. Not too tough to figure this out. Downtown Salt Lake City or maybe Park City perhaps? Doubtful there were many conservatives polled in this one. And the poll question? "The evil Republicans want to kill babies and old people with this shutdown. Do you fell it should continue?" We are not falling for these polls anymore.

  • uncommonsense CENTERVILLE, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    It bothers me that news media can't even report this event correctly. Congress voted for a budget that funded everything except the ACA. That was NOT de-funded but only delayed for a year (just as our President did with the employer mandate).
    The Republicans are not the ones shutting down the government. They funded everything the Dems. wanted except that one item. The Dems then shut it down by refusing to vote "Yay" or even come to the table to negotiate. If you want to cast blame blame the Dems for the shutdown.

  • postaledith Freeland, WA
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:16 a.m.

    I'm glad to hear that there are some sane people in Utah and that they recognize the insane behavior of the Tea Party, mainly John Boehner.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:42 a.m.

    I agree with the poll. Obamacare isn't a reason to shut down the government. The fact that the govenment is in this fantasy that we can borrow and borrown so that we can stimulate and stimulate the economy so that we can make it boom and generate extra tax revenue in the future that we will use to pay off the debt, at some point in the future. (Jimmy Carter talked about that in 1976). It isn't realistic and the shutdown may be the means to shock everyone into realizing that the status quo is unsustainable. We might get a paradigm shift.

    If we don't do it now, in a few years our lenders will get wise then they will pull the plug. The sooner the better.

    Obama's position is that he won't negotiate and the Republicans fallback position is #1 of debt increase for every $1 dollar. That's reasonable. The Obamacare stuff is diluting their message however,

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:31 a.m.

    This was a very slanted article which clearly articulates the Obama talking points of destroying the tea party. It shows that even in Utah journalists push liberal causes. My friends,associates and people I talk to view Obamacare as the most partisan bill perhaps ever written , horrible legislation. The poll doen't factor in the media's total bias of blaming Republicans for the shutdown which was in fact Harry Reids decision to not conference and solve the impasse. Obama and democrats wanted the shutdown for political advantage, republicans wanted to keep the government running but wanted some compromise to help our economy and create jobs. The tactic of blasting Lee and praising Matheson is right out of Obama's playbook. Matheson voted with republicans on reopening the government. Democrats are arrogant,my way or the highway party, republicans are willing to compromise and conference.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 3:56 a.m.

    Eh, everyone knows Utah is just a liberal bastion. Oh right...

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 2:39 a.m.

    I also disagree with the results of the poll, as just about everybody I talk to realize that it is time to take a stand. The pollsters must have worded the questions in order to get a result.

  • bw00ds Tucson, AZ
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:12 a.m.

    I agree with @Autumn Cook, let's have the poll to see.

    I can't believe that if Utahns are supposedly that "pragmatic," they wouldn't want to fight to end Obamacare. I also find it to be inconsistent the statement that "Utahns want the government to run efficiently," yet they would not want to fight to end Obamacare, something that will prove to be one of the worst efficiency nightmares that our government has tried to shove down our throats.

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:55 a.m.

    I know that I was never asked and I am glad that we are fighting right now for our rights. Thank you Mike Lee and others who are in there finally showing that we will not be quite when we feel that something is as wrong as it is with Obamacare. It is all wrong and it is going to cost this Nation dearly if we do not do something about it now.

  • oragami St. George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:54 a.m.

    Well Autumn, maybe you should get out of your echo chamber then. If this shutdown continues, the harm to individual lives, the economy, our national security, and national reputation will secure Lee's place in History among our nations most vile saboteurs. The fascinating and very sad thing is that you can't even see that you have already lost.

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:27 a.m.

    As one who works for the government, specifically a full-time National Guardsman, I believe it is worth the fight to shutdown the government to get rid of Obamacare. If we don't fight it now, we will pay for it, big time, latter. Even the poor will pay in the end...

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:14 a.m.

    @Autumn cook.... This is just another dan jones poll.....jones is a democrat and his wife is active in liberal politics as well! Imyawn whenever I see one of these polls.....they never ask what they claim you answered,

  • Autumn Cook Lehi, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    Can you provide a link to the poll sample, methodology and question wording? Most of the Utahns I've talked to DO believe stopping Obamacare is worth shutting the government down over, and we're thrilled to have a fighter in the Senate in the form of Sen. Lee.