Report: Intervention needed to break cycle of intergenerational poverty in Utah

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    To "davidmpark" what are you doing to reduce your dependance on the government? Yes you went to the town hall meeting, but that was just to get more benefits from the government.

    Are you able to work? If you can work, can you get a second job? What about your wife's disabilities, do they prevent her for working?

    What about your lifestyle? Are there things you can cut out of your life that while nice to have, just cost you money?

    I don't have a problem with giving a hand up and helping out of a bad situation. I do have a problem with just giving out stuff to able bodied people that are not willing to sacrifice anything themselves.

  • AChapin Albany, Linn, OR
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    We don't have the resources. If you have not noticed we as a country are broke. In dept! So we have to spend wisely. The President has not had a budget seance he started office. For me it's all the fault of both parties and the President. Prioritize! We are 16 trillion in dept.
    Aloha / Shalom

  • donquixote84721 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Give a person a hand-out and he will belong to you, but teach them to be self-reliant and they will be FREE and proud.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    From the article:

    ""However, a strong correlation exists between welfare dependency and adverse childhood experiences," the report said.

    I have seen this firsthand. A cycle of neglect, dysfunction, chaos, abuse in the lives of children resulting in immature, damaged, dysfunctional adults. The damage is real. It is very sad. It is not simply a matter of "tough love." It is a matter of early and consistent intervention to save the next generation.

    Yet Republicans voted to cut foodstamps and Headstart programs for families with children.


  • slow down Provo, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    This is something to move on. This is the kind of "justice" issue that is unambiguous, even if it might be hard to make too much difference through governmental means.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS has a great program that lifts people out of poverty. It's called the Perpetual Education Fund, where people contribute to the fund, the needy borrow from it to fund their education, then once they secure a job, they pay the loan back, so that others can benefit from the program, unlike Government dole, that perpetuates dependency and entitlement mentality, just to garner a vote.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    Intervention is in fact necessary. And here's the deal. As great as it is, and it is great, the LDS Church welfare progran does not have enough resources to even deal with the needs of its own members. No charitable entity does. The government, at all levels, is the most capable of driving this need. While programs should be continually assessed, the cutting frenzy is not good for the country. This was proven out, by way of example, in the cutting of funds for mental illness programs in the Reagan years, which led directly to more homelessness and other problems. We can do better as a nation. We have the resources.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    A couple of possible solutions:
    1) Sequester cuts
    2) Furloughs/shutdowns

    Let's face it. As long as there is a bureaucracy the pretends to be a safety net there will be people willing to abuse it. FDR and LBJ were trying to do a good thing but human nature is such that some of us will take the easy way out given the chance.

    The beauty of family and church is that they can exercise tough love and stay close to the situation. They aren't paid to hand out benefits. In fact, any assistance they give costs the institution.

    But government workers aren't working under that assumption. In fact, the more cases the more staff the more funding. They are rewarded for giving away other people's money. What do you think will happen?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:31 a.m.

    The opportunity is slapping them in the face now where they can shut down welfare, make it time limited, and cap total entitlements monthly and lifetime per person and household. Put cap on inter agency entitlements so that no two agency's overlap on services or expenses. Eliminate agency's that have overlapping benefits, we the taxpayer deserve to keep our incomes for our own use and not fund a lifetime program of dependence by any person, family, or individual.

    They only have to commit themselves to stop the generations and life time dependence for any reason. They know what they have to do, now they need some spine and realistic intervention that will separate the welfare system to a temporary entitlement.

  • davidmpark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    My family is in this category due to my beautiful wife's disabilities. We don't need intervention: we need liberty.

    At a town hall tonight for West Valley City and Taylorsville, and they had the State House Speaker there too. It was 3 self-proclaimed Conservative Republicans and they spoke about how we are a people that values hard work and self-reliance. They went though a lot of the local issues but when it came to funding the disabled programs, they pretty much said that due to the lack of Fed dollars coming into the state, programs for the disabled and most vulnerable are no longer on the table and will soon be canned altogether. Afterwards I spoke to my area representative about how I understand they don't have the money to fund my wife's benefits, so I asked him about the state scaling back restrictions to allow us to be self-reliant, too via home production. And by the look on his face I knew that it was a waste of time to even ask.

    So, in practice, the State of Utah's position is to pretty much treat my wife as a third class citizen!

  • ignoranceisbliss Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    They do offer work programs, vocational training, and funding for higher learning. What you're not grasping is the fact that receiving assistance is a cycle like the cycle of abuse. Children who grow up on welfare see it as a normal part of life, their legacy.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:01 p.m.

    We should offer work programs, not welfare. We should require 10-20 hours per week at a work-project in the recipient's community, and demonstrated time searching for regular work (a minimum of 20 hrs per week with milestones verified by the welfare case worker) or in school/vocational training. It would be a bit more expensive in the short-run to shift to this type of program, but in the long run would be much less expensive for taxpayers, and much more beneficial to recipients of the help.