Frustration grows for furloughed Utahns as GOP, Dems dig in heels

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  • djk blue springs, MO
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    what is interesting is these people are being paid but they want us to believe they will not be paid. obama and his followers are desiring to fool the country into a false security. the affordable health care / obamacare is the same program where so many have been fooled otherwise. i do not trust the fork tongued politicians

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    I was wondering when these Federal workers usually get paid. Did they receive a monthly pay check at the end of September, or are they waiting for it still?

    My guess is that those on monthly pay were paid already at the end of September, and their next check will be at the end of October. At least I hear that usually monthly payroll is disbursed at the end of the month. Can someone elucidate so far as actual examples of federal workers are concerned?

    Anyway I expect that the shutdown will be over long before, or at least by, the end of the month, and that they will be paid and not be docked anything in their pay. Information please.

    I'm thinking that no one is out of money yet, based on this standoff over the cost of the new national insurance plan, no one on the federal payroll, no one who wouldn't have been anyway.

    For those who are missing "services" it would be a completely different thing, but most complaints seem to be about the inconvenience for those who administer federal programs, and fewer about recipients of various entitlements.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    City, Ut

    Love the "Its the Law" line I KEEP HEARING.

    To these same people: Remember back when the law was 'abortions are illegal'? Did they say well, thats the law--and we're going to follow it.

    NOPE. They fought for what they wanted. A lot of people didn't agree. But they changed the law.

    How is it different now?
    9:11 a.m. Oct. 3, 2013


    Um yes, they DID obey the laws.
    It was the law and it was obeyed.

    They didn't shutdown the Government and hold the entire country hostage until they go the Constitutionally required votes to change those laws.

    That's how our Constitutional Government works in America.
    Get the votes, and change the laws.

    What we see happening now is extortion and a blatant trampling of the Constitution.

  • dragon12 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Let me see if I understand. The Affordable Care Act passed. President Obama was reelected. This means that it was a majority of Congress and Americans who were happy with the results. It is the duty of Congress to vote on a budget, but instead, it has shut down federal government. Members are unreachable. Congress is punishing Americans for hurt egos and ideology differences (to name just two reasons). Speaker Boehner (and others who think like him) love power, exhibit appallingly incorrigible behavior, and all the while, our economy is suffering. Our sons and daughters, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, and mothers and fathers are unemployed or close to losing jobs. And that's helping the American people and the image of our country? Unfortunately, Congress has become our nation's most threatening enemy.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Perhaps a few here, just maybe, will see both parties for what they are, ineffectual Power brokers. Democrats, if you are pointing the finger at the Republicans, go get a life; Republicans, if you are pointing the finger at the Democrats, go get a life. The followers of either party are simpletons that are so naive to defy description. So, where does it leave us? Perhaps you will begin to look to God first, instead of a political parties. Perhaps you will start looking in the mirror before pointing the finger at your hated political enemy. Folks, if you think this is going to stop; it won't. Anytime you see a unified front in Washington, just know, whatever it is, it will ultimately affect you negatively. It's time to grow up. I don't care whether you love Mike Lee while glorifying Harry Reid or Barack Obama or vice-versa, better wake up. Both parties refuse to work together and both parties are corrupt. Don't be so naive.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Senator Lee considers them casualties in the tea party war. He said he wanted to stop a future (potential) train wreck. Using his analogy, the tea party is blowing up bridges in front of the train already enacted onto the tracks.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    As a conservative, I am deeply appalled by this shutdown.

    It's about as tactically complex as a terrorist who just cares about killing as many people as possible disregarding who actually gets hurt. How many terrorists gain popular support by bombing weddings and marketplaces?

    It's time to adopt strategies that work, and stop thinking that ideaologies trump human life.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Love the "Its the Law" line I KEEP HEARING. They draw it like a gun.

    To these same people: Remember back when the law was 'abortions are illegal'? Did they say well, thats the law--and we're going to follow it.

    NOPE. They fought for what they wanted. A lot of people didn't agree. But they changed the law.

    How is it different now?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    How many times do you need to be reminded it is commonly known as obamacare, it is opposed by a majority of the population, and the dems have voted to shut down the government to protect this unpopular and unjust law that was passed through lies and back-room deals?

    As for the dems only doing their duty to enforce it; that is a fallacy. BO is NOT enforcing the employer portion, he delayed doing so. Where in the 2400+ pages is he given the authority to delay the employer portion?

    As for the dems enforcing every single piece of legislation, you mean how BO refuses to deport or secure the border as required by our immigration laws?

    Or how holder refused to enforce laws against voter intimidation?

    How many times do YOU need to be reminded how BO and his cabal turn a blind eye to laws THEY do not like?

    Gotold, meckofahess, redshirt007
    The GOP voted to keep the government open, the dems voted to close it. Please do not be duped by their distortions. The blame lies with harry, not lee

    You mean FDR's policies that KEPT us in depression?

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Need a reason to drop the caucus system in Utah? Senator Mike Lee.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Japan has obligatory health insurance and capped prices. Works fine.

    It should be illegal to shut down the government when you admit it because you don't have the votes to change a legally passed law.

    I want to SUE the republicans for damages! They have no legal right to do this!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Get real. The debate on health care should be whether the states or the federal government should administer a health care system similar to every other industrialized country. We don't have to reinvent the wheel but fine tune the systems in the UK, Canada, Germany, South Korea, Japan and other such countries.

    It is not the time to whine about fairness on taxes. If the country breaks up the wealthy may find it unpleasant as well. Let those who can, pay more taxes. Get back to the tax status during Clinton's term. His character may be a stench in our nostrils but his economic policies were the best since FDR.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    THIS the America the Tea-Party has always dreamed about...
    A virtual Republican Utopia,

    Government stripped down and shutdown to only the bare essentials.

    Every Republicans should be dancing the streets right now!

    They wanted it, the got it....

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    I hope and pray all you decent working people who have been furloughed thansk to Senator Mike Lee will remember his actions in congress come next electiion time!. As this government shutdown promoted by Senator Lee does more damage to our already fragile economy, I hope the voters in Utah will remember who we elected the last time - and learn from our experience. Utah and the United States deserves to have representatives in Congress who are not radical extremists who take the government hostatge over their narrow sighted agendas. And no, I am not a liberal Democrat. I am a native Utahn with the same conservative background and faith as the majority of you all in Utah. We can and must do better in choosing our elected officials.

    Oct. 3, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Stalwart Sentinal,

    I appreciate your comments above. I am not LDS. As the DN is church owned, I usually look to it and the comments in it to see what the LDS church truly teaches. It seems extremely right-wing.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    What about the generational effect of social security, and Medicare? When are the republicans, or democrats, going to pull their heads out of the sand about these programs?
    Social security and Medicare are the two biggest expenses items in our national budget. But no politician will talk about reining the programs in to prevent their bankruptcy.
    It all comes down to power, and being re-elected. No politician will stick their necks out to discuss changes in these programs,
    You cannot be opposed to Obama care, and support Medicare, they are both national health insurance.
    I wonder how supportive the tea partiers would be of the government shut down, if it effected their social security payments.
    It’s easy to support something when it is not affecting you directly.

  • gotold Ivins, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:10 a.m.

    As a lifelong Republican and Utahn, I am totally apposed to this government shutdown led by my own party. I am now realizing what a big mistake we made in electing Mike Lee, who has become one of the three most radical senators in our nation. He is an embarrassment to our fine state. Lets get the government running again and then address our spending problems and fix the few things that are wrong with Obamacare. Time to get out of this mess and move on.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 3, 2013 5:41 a.m.

    When you have disagreements about existing laws - you resolve them without putting so many people at risk. The Republican Party for the most part has not learned this. History will not let them forget. It will be interesting to see, in a year or so, what the Republican Party looks like.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 5:15 a.m.

    This does not sound like the AFGE I was part of when I worked at HAFB. I thing the Union was added to confuse the public that employees frustrations as union motivated chaos by the left wing radicals in this state.

    The AFGE union does not condone or promote this kind of demonstration by federal employees. Which makes these people standing outside the base not governemt employees but democrat pretenders being paid to stand there and hold signs. It is against the law for federal employees to demonstrate of go on strike and each employee by civil duty and law obeys this. The real protestors unwilling to sacrifice and be self sufficient for sound government and accountability are in the White House in Washington DC.

    The Obama machine is infamous for hiring protestors and out to punish and lie to the american people by all means available and this is more proof of his incompetence. All federal employees know their jobs are at risk and can be terminated or laid off at any time, its inbred in their employment agreement understanding. Any federal employee promoted in the news media is a plant, a lie, a fake, a hoax.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:22 a.m.


    How many times do you have to be reminded it's not a bill, it's not called "Obamacare", and the Dems aren't digging in their heels? It's a law, adjudicated at every possible level including the SCOTUS and re-election of the POTUS who advocated for it, it is called the Affordable Care Act, and the Dems are merely doing precisely what has been done by every single prior legislature in our Nation's history, nothing more and nothing less. There is no negotiating to be had; if Americans truly do not like a law then we will lobby our representatives and/or elect new ones to undue said law - that is how our Nation works. Everyone who can count knows that, currently, that is not possible so, if the ACA is truly as terrible as conservatives claim, then the democratic process will ultimately undue it.

    Stop pretending as though there are two sides to a problem involving a bill; the lack of integrity in your reporting is becoming a downright shame and it reflects poorly on our Church's reputation. Please, stop it.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:11 a.m.

    They shouldn't be complaining. After all, this is only a government "slimdown."

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:55 a.m.

    While appreciating the plight of the people furloughed right now , that is not the real story here, the real story here is about money management by the government and by the individual.
    The Federal government cannot continue spending money that they do not have. If something isn't done soon, then these people would have much bigger problem. While the goals of obamacare are admirable,, the costs have not been covered by Congress and there is no money left.
    The other story is about people already pulling out their hair when they lost only two days worth of income, we all need to live more within our means so that we can survive interruptions like these. We, both the government and the indivual, should both manage our money better so that it didn't manage us. We should have reserves.