Government shutdown pinches Utah families who receive WIC assistance

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  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    "Obamacare" is the problem, not the government shutdown. Mike Richards is correct. We need to look to the real problem, not blame those who are trying to get us to see Obamacare for what it is, a monumental disaster.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    @ Grandma Barb:

    The community as a whole is represented by government. And in social programs the distribution and exchange of goods is definitely regulated by the government (which represents the community). So even according to your definition, social programs are at indeed socialistic.

    Taking money from some people (the taxpayers) and redistributing to others (social program recipients) is indeed a tenet of socialism. Therefore, these programs are socialistic in nature. I'm not saying some of these programs aren't doing some good. But by definition, facts are facts. Stalin and Marx used bleeding heart arguments to sell their forms of government too. Don't be naive.

    It's actually you who needs to wake up and finally realize that it was Tea-Party type people who established this country in the first place and consequently established it into the great country it is. Now these same-type principled people want to save this country from the diluting effects of Obama and his ultra-liberal agenda. They want us to live within our means. Obama has us on the brink of national bankruptcy with total out-of-control deficit spending. Obamacare will only make things that much worse.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    We also need to look at this as what happens when you rely on a distant unelected bureaucracy for local need. A bureaucrat will give up his life but not his job. Money shouldn't have to go to Washington where the bureaucrats take their cut first and parcel out what is left back to the country side.
    DC and its environs have not suffered a recession/depression. They are living high on the hog while sucking the life blood out of the rest of the country.
    It is sad that these people will not get aid for the time of the furlough. It will be sadder if the Central/Federal government fails entirely.
    Central planning has never worked, not in Rome, not in the USSR, and probably soon not in the USA.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    To "Grandma Barb" lets look at what the policies of just the past 10 years of liberalism have done.

    You say that "Well fed, healthy, well educated people are more likely to create a strong middle class, who pay more taxes and will make this country stronger." At the same time a populace that is dependent on the government for the food, housing, and jobs will result in a weak and small middleclass.

    Lets just look at some recent headlines, so we can see the result of liberal policies (Bush started many of them, and Obama has made them bigger).

    "Median Income Falls For 5th Year, Inequality At Record High" Huffington Post. Income is falling the longer Obama "fixes" the economy.

    "Middle class shrinks to an all-time low" Washington Post. If just feeding and educating them was all that mattered, we should have a growing middleclass.

    As CNS pointed out "Record Number of Households on Food Stamps-- 1 out of Every 5" we are feeding them, but the middleclass is shrinking as people depend on government assistance to eat.

    The problem isn't not having enough government programs, but having too many.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Some of the early comments to this article are nonsensical and totally without merit.

    @ no fit in SG:
    It's your comment that doesn't fit. Not one politician, Republican or Democrat has ever advocated shutting down WIC or any other program to help the poor. They simply don't want them abused. Sounds logical.

    @ rightascention:
    Yours is an uninformed comment. I've been around a long time and have never once heard any Congressman even insinuate, let along say that poor people and babies are not important. WIC and such programs were established by both parties in Congress because they are important. Read more and makeup less.

    @ There you go again:
    Yes... there you go again... speaking nonsense. Not a single Republican has ever advocated (let alone promised) to shut down government. They simply want to scale back government to reasonable levels in order to better control the out-of-control deficits that will otherwise soon be bankrupting our country. We have to learn to make outgo equal to income. And you need to read more to learn real political facts before further embarrassing yourself on these comment boards.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Awe the compassionate conservatives.

    Chris B says "Go get a job. Or another job. It's not my job to take care of someone else's kids. Its their job."

    3rd says: "It's really sad that after ONE day of shutdown people are so unprepared that they need Obama's handouts.
    Where are the family members of these people?
    Where are the churches?"

    SoCalUte says: "The solution is to Remove any and all dependence upon the government for our daily existence."

    Redshirt: "We are also giving out money to single mothers going to college? Isn't their child important enough that they would do anything they could for them?"

    CHS 85 nailed it. These are the same anti-choice conservatives showing their support for mothers who chose to have children.

  • Grandma Barb St. George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    Darn it, social programs are NOT SOCIALISM. Not even close.

    noun: socialism 1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    The social programs that this country has embraced are not Socialism. None of them change the ownership of anything to the people. Well fed, healthy, well educated people are more likely to create a strong middle class, who pay more taxes and will make this country stronger.

    When are you going to wake up and realize that the Republican Tea Party does not care about the "people" in this country. They care about themselves and the very rich people who are manipulating them as the base of the GOP. WAKE UP!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    WIC as fully funded by the Republicans. Obama and the Democrats are using those mothers and those children as pawns. The Republicans are not to blame. They funded all programs except for ObamaCare. All programs! If children go hungry, call Obama and Harry Reid. Ask them why they took the food out of the mouths of baby for their political purposes.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    To "CHS 85" what vitriol is directed at babies?

    The only complaints I have seen are towards irresponsible parents or people that use the system so that they don't have to work as hard.

    Would you rather they become dependant on the government for the rest of their lives? By giving out welfare to people that are able bodied or people that choose to quit a good paying job, we are just enabling them and thier children to think of the federal government as a free ATM that will take care of them no matter what.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Wow. Such vitriol directed at babies who have NO say in how their situation is the way it is. Pretty disgusting if you go back and read these comments. I can't even believe these are being written by Utahns.

    More of that "compassionate conservatism" we heard so much about from the past. I guess you guys only care about babies before they are born.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Let me get this right. We are handing out tax payer funded food so that people can quit good jobs and work for less money?

    We are also giving out money to single mothers going to college? Where are the fathers, and why is it that they have money for tuition and books but can't feed their child? Isn't their child important enough that they would do anything they could for them?

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    A relative went online to check out the Obama care health rates, for her it would be over 1000.00 a month for 2/3 of the coverage she currently has through her employer. Not a good deal at least in her case. Keep in mind, the repubs are trying to level the playing field. by law Obama care should have started the same time for businesses as for the public, Obama gave businesses 1 more year to the way he doesn't have the legal authority to do that. It must be through the legislator to change or modify laws.. Does that sound fair? Repubs are only asking to delay Obama care for 1 year as well for everyone. But the Dems have rejected 3 budgets that have been offered that would fully fund the government minus the Obamacare for 1 year. Both parties share blame in this shut down.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Two thoughts:

    First, when Obama and the Democratically-controlled congress rammed through Obamacare without a broad national consensus, what else did they expect? A large cross section of America does not want it, and is supporting the effort, by whatever means, to derail this trainwreck-of-a-law. Obamacare is a case study on how a bloated, overreaching federal government is in need of some serious reigning in. I say, let it stay shut down until we can clean out the half of Washington that supports the Obamacare / tax and spend mentality.

    Second, WIC is actually one of the few federal programs that the conservatives can and should support. It uses minimal funding to provide basic commodities to mothers and children, improving their health, and actually cutting the amount of tax dollars that would otherwise be needed to pay for much more expensive health care later on. It is carefully administered by caring and concerned dietitians and other staffers who get to know their clientele and ensure that the help truly goes to those who genuinely need it. WIC is an excellent case study on how federal safety-net programs should be run: Locally administered, requires personal interaction, and limited.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    This is actually a good thing. In the history of the world, It has Never been good for an individual or family to depend on the government for income help. It is much better for us to be able to lean on friends and family for help.
    When one is dependent upon government for help, then one is also obligated to play according to the rules that the government feels a need to establish.
    Result: More government control means steps toward communism. ie. Obamacare, Isn't it a little communistic to say everyone Must have insurance, and if you do not, you will be fined for not having insurance. What is next? Will we be fined if we don't buy nutritious groceries for our family. Will we taxed more if we don't work at the job that the government says we must work at.
    The solution is to Remove any and all dependence upon the government for our daily existence.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Our parents' generation somehow managed to get by without WIC. We are supposedly more educated and have access to better technology. When our parents were out of work they could not do a job search on the Internet. They could not mass-text or mass-email their friends asking for help in finding a job or dealing with the consequences of not having one. If our parents wanted to borrow money to start a business it was much much more difficult and the interest rate was much higher. Yet somehow with much less government help they solved their problems. If they could do it, we can do it. Maybe if you do not know how to solve your problems ask someone of your parent's generation who appears to have some common sense in him.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    This is what happens when people don't save their money and have no food storage. It's going to be ugly when the whole system eventually collapses.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    It's really sad that after ONE day of shutdown people are so unprepared that they need Obama's handouts.
    Where are the family members of these people?
    Where are the churches?
    My daughter was filling orders at the storehouse in Naperville IL last night. There is no shutdown in effect there.
    Perhaps we have put our faith in the wrong institutions.
    Or perhaps we have slammed the door shut too many times on family and God. We can't go back home because we've burned the bridge.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Ya, life is tough. Deal with it.

    Go get a job. Or another job. It's not my job to take care of someone else's kids. Its their job.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    ..."neither of them can be big boys and talk about it".


    It takes at least two to have a conversation.

    The above quote reflects a rather popular view and sounds fair - but is it?

    As far as I know the Republicans are willing to talk but the
    Democrats need to join in the conversation.

    I'm not a partisan of either party, I'm independent and sincerely sorry when anyone
    suffers, but much worse suffering will result if we do not do something to
    stop the spending of trillions of money on this, largely undiscussed, unpopular measure.

    Something needs to be done about Congress constantly raising the debt ceiling.
    Something needs to be done with regard to a Congress that repeatedly ignores the will and aspirations of its electorate.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    No fit,
    Repubs voted to keep government open, dems voted to shut it down. Remember this, America

    People who watch KSL are not going to know much about anything other than how wonderful KLS’s talking heads think KSL’s talking heads are.

    There you go
    2010 was a referendum on obamacare, not to shut down government. please be honest.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    I am tired of everyone passing the buck in Washington. We elected a President to make the decisions and work with Congress. In my opinion, the buck stops at his desk. You can make all the excuses in the world but the buck stops at his desk. Congress is a joke at this point. In the real world, none of them would be employed if they could not work through issues together.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    repubs elected in 2010 and 2012 ran on the promise of shutting down government.

    They have delivered.

    Now they need to go home and get real jobs.

  • yahoo Logan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    As I was watching KSL news about this shut down Doug Wright gave an observation that most of us really don't know anything about the new Health Care Plan. This in my opinion is what is causing the government shutdown. It is affecting all of us in different ways. Is the shutdown necessary, don't know but what we will find out later on is how effective ObamaCare really is. What I hope comes from this government shutdown is citizens of the United States actually look at what our government is actually doing and what they are spending our money on. Also realize congress is still getting paid even though they are shutdown. Do they as a whole care about the american people or their political future in the house or senate?

  • Silver Maned Cougar American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    Walmart has signs on the doors saying they can't provide WIC food because of the shutdown.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    In this case, the only people affected are poor people and their babies, so from the Congressional viewpoint -- the damage is not in their long view important.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    Right wing Republican Tea Party politicians have the goal to rid our country of WIC and similar programs.
    Remember this America.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    This is good reporting. People should see how Washington intransigence affects real people. Best of luck to these young mothers.