Dick Harmon: USC coaching change will impact football in Utah

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  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Chris Petersen is certainly an elite coach. He is definitely in the top ten or perhaps the top five coaches in the country. BSU has a fan base that actually include all of Idaho,and most of Washington and Oregon. There is a carve out west of the cascades for University of Oregon and University of Washington. Its fan base is larger than any school in Utah except BYU.Petersen is more likely to accept the Texas gig than USC. He is a brilliant coach and knows that USC could be toxic. I didn't realize that he has a perfect record against Utah State,Utah and BYU. This is very impressive when you look at the money and recruiting advantage all these schools have. This season BSU lost many of their starters on the offensive and defensive line and are young. Utah State has experience with most starters coming back, BYU is also very strong so BSU is facing great schools and should be considered the underdog.Utah State and BYU are at home which also helps.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:15 p.m.


    So interesting the straws that the trollers grasp at.

    Thanks for proving your devotion to Utah football and our program. Maybe one day, byU's program will be invited to a big boy's conference and the Utah obsessed byU "fans" can go back to rooting for their own school....

    .... I almost got through that with a straight face. byU will NEVER be in a big boy's conference and will always flounder in independence and irrelevance. Which means, byU "fan" will continue to be obsessed with all things Ute.

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Hmmm...it's interesting that you no longer see Kyle Whittingham's name coming up as a potential replacement when there's a coaching vacancy. Sounds like that boat has sailed and the sun has set on him.

    When Utah finishes a 2nd straight season with a losing record and no bowl game I'm sure he'll catch on somewhere as a Defensive Coordinator. After all, isn't that why Chris Hill hired Dennis Erickson, to have Kyle's eventual replacement already on staff? Maybe Kyle's buddy Gary Andersen will need a good LB Coach and throw him a bone. Or maybe Matt Wells at Utah St will make room for him.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:34 a.m.


    "Coaches come and coaches go, it happens every year. New coaches come in and have an impact and others don't. So flip a coin."

    Exactly. Those people who are making bold predictions of Utah never beating USC are just silly and are doing so just to be a Utah-hatter. Utah will beat USC, maybe this year, maybe not. Utah has done it before and will do it again.

    Good luck to your Bruins tomorrow, but not too much. I hope to see you eating crow tomorrow night!

    Go Utes!
    Go Conference of Champions!

  • pac12ute4life Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    You heard it here first - Utah beats USC this year in a blowout, commencing a decade of Ute dominance in the Pac 12.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    "...a few vocal knucklehead Bronco fans wanted Petersen fired." ???

    I know of, nor have heard of, absolutely NO BSU fans wanting coach Pete fired. Some want the OC replaced, yes, but NOT Petersen. What is your source for that offhand comment? Dick, I think you're really off the mark on this one.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    As I said...you are certainly entitled to your opinion regarding byu's wandering in the independence wilderness and not having an opportunity to align with, as you call it, a semi-professional sports conglomerate, chasing wins and money at any cost. Congratulations, you got your wish...except for chasing money of course. byu gets their pay day from ESPN just like the elite conferences to which byu doesn't belong.

    What I don't understand is how your pontification on an article discussing the impacts of USC looking for a new coach has any relevance or merit, whatsoever. Get off your soap box and try again.

    Further, my reply..."I hope that you are not twisting the Kiffen firing into some myopic notion that a byu coach would never be fired for a dearth of wins" is crystal clear. It may miss the mark (and you get some some of the responsibility for that) but it is certainly clear.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    Petersen goes to Texas. Austin is a better fit then LA.
    Miles is a good guess.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    "To your primary point...no one that I know of at UU is complaining about being in an elite conference. Further, I hope that you are not twisting the Kiffen firing into some myopic notion that a byu coach would never be fired for a dearth of wins. "

    I thought I was clear with what I was saying, and although I've read your response a number of times, I'm not any closer to guessing what you were suggesting.

    What I *am* saying is that I have never wanted to see BYU ally itself with what is for all intents and purposes, a semi-professional sports conglomerate, chasing wins and money at any cost. That shouldn't be the point of college athletics. But if as you say, Utah alums are OK being the Intermountain West's junior-varsity NFL team with all the baggage that comes with it, I guess more power to you. But wouldn't it just be easier to start rooting for the Denver Broncos? Or maybe the Raiders would consider relocating to SLC.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    I can't read Chris Peterson's thoughts, but if he were to jump to USC, he would soon grow to rue the decision. Beyond the quality of life issues (as he sees them) between Boise and Southern California, the position is an inherent pressure cooker. His high priority on family and balance would go out the door. As has been pointed out already, one needs double the income to maintain the same lifestyle in So Cal as in Boise, he isn't going to want to live in any area within an hour's commute of USC, to say nothing of the crime rates.

    I do take issue with the viewpoint that a weakening of a rival program is of benefit to another program. How would Boise losing Peterson help BYU? The whole reason for a long term scheduling deal was to ensure a quality opponent every year. Likewise, disarray at USC does nothing for the Utes. Competing well with a power house gives much more satisfaction than beating up on a weak program year after year. The whole competitive urge includes going up against the best available.

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    How about this? Hire Coach Petersen as head coach and Bronco as his DC. Those two together and the talent they would get, USC would be top 10 as long as they are there. I don't want to see Bronco leave but this would make USC a great team.
    If its true that Petersen makes 2 million a year. How can Boise get that kind of money to pay him? If he does make that kind of money he will never leave until asked to do so. Why go from a big fish in a little pond to a little fish in a big pond?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Thanks for your opinion.

    "A few years back when there was speculation that BYU & UU might be invited to join the PAC, I was a minority loud and long opposed to it."

    I don't recall there ever being verifiable speculation that byu was considered for the Pac. There was speculation among byu fans over a couple of decades that their invitation to the Pac was immanent. We all saw how that turned out.

    To your primary point...no one that I know of at UU is complaining about being in an elite conference. Further, I hope that you are not twisting the Kiffen firing into some myopic notion that a byu coach would never be fired for a dearth of wins.

    Go Pac-12!!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    "Will the Ute troll obsession with all things BYU never end?"

    Pretty funny comment from somebody who often has the highest comment count on Ute stories. (See, e.g., the comments to the "Utah-Pac12 grind" article.)

    Typical y attitude: Do As I Say, Not As I Do.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    @Ed Grady
    I have news for you, the Utes beat USC with Pete Carrol and players like Carson Palmer and Troy Polamalu.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    What I think is funny that even though Ute's have a 18-4 against BYU and USU, that just shows how bad the state of Utah is at football. The last two seasons have not been good for the Ute's. The football programs in this state will never be great, good coaches will always use the state of Utah as a good way to move onto better programs. Urban Myer, Gary Anderson were able to do great things with average players but that does not last. The coaches that we currently have are all just average and that is how all programs in this state will be, is just average. USC has shown that you can have high ranked recruites and players but with an average coach you will just be an average team.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Sorry, but growing up in SoCal (as a 4th-gen SC fan whose uncles played/coached there) and now living in Washington State for the past 20+ years, winning at all costs is the system UU bought into by joining The PAC. That conference has been frantic to be considered the premier power conference--in all sports--for as long as I can remember, and there is lots of money on the Left Coast that becomes ever easier to tap, with Nike, Microsoft, and the LA basin, the Bay Area, and the Puget Sound leading the way.

    We’ve been watching Wazzou trying to clone the Oregon model for the past couple of years, with upgrades to stadium, facilities, and coaching. Hopefully cheating won't be part of it. With Leach there I don't think it will.

    My bottom line: A few years back when there was speculation that BYU & UU might be invited to join the PAC, I was a minority loud and long opposed to it. As long as BCS college football stays the way that it is, with the BCS being the NFL's farm system, I will feel that way.

  • LoveTheKittens The Middle Of, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Did you read the article, Dick can't write anything without linking it to BYU somehow. If this has nothing to do with Cougarland, it is it mentioned?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:02 p.m.


    "It's another sad commentary that the first several posters on this article are known BYU haters (Ute trolls) who can't miss a chance to dig at BYU with their utter sarcasm, even though this article has nothing to do with BYU.."

    Lighten up and smile for a change, Tators. Those first two comments were harmless and quite funny. I half expected some byu fan, such as yourself, to get on this board and proclaim the usual "Mendenhall would never, ever leave wonderful byu for a bastion of free thinking liberals" nonsense. LOL!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    It's another sad commentary that the first several posters on this article are known BYU haters (Ute trolls) who can't miss a chance to dig at BYU with their utter sarcasm, even though this article has nothing to do with BYU.. but about USC and secondarily about BSU. Sad. Very sad. Will the Ute troll obsession with all things BYU never end? Apparently not. Such people have sincerely earned their nicknames as trolls. It's becoming indisputable.

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:06 a.m.


    You may be on to something there. When you posted your question my first thought was also Les Miles. However, after thinking about it more, I'm not so sure Miles would jump. It's the same type of prestige where he is, and lately he has been doing well. Plus the SEC is dumping money into the coaches coffers, so why leave until you're forced to?

    If I were in charge of USC, I would think smaller... aka Northern Illinois coach, Dave Doeren. He is young and fairly unproven also, but anyone who can work the magic he's working with a lowly MAC team deserves attention. And USC would not have to sell the ranch to get him.

  • spudlydoright McCammon, Idaho
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    USC is everything that coach Petersen hates about college football; alumni and boosters that insist on being in on everything and players that think they are better than they really are and an athletic administration that only cares about winning and doesn't give a spit about character.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    I think the Bronco's fans just shot themselves in the foot. Peterson is a good coach, I do not think Whittingham is even close as good as Peterson. He has lost to teams with less talented players and almost lost to USU by a few points at home to a team that has way lower ranked players than the what the Ute's have.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Amusing. The Utes will have little shot at beating a mad, frustrated, and bowl-hungry USC team with a coaching staff eager to show what they can offer in hopes of keeping their jobs. The best thing for Utah would have been if Kiffen had stayed the season.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    To be honest, I do not see how USC affects Utah football at all. Coaches come and coaches go, it happens every year. New coaches come in and have an impact and others don't. So flip a coin. As far as USC goes, I would love to see the program continue to fall. Even as a UCLA fan, I love to see the PAC-12 excel and be a power conferance that it does not get respect for in other parts of the country. But, as it seems with allegations, suspensions, lost scholarships, etc. SC can't do it without cheating. Even Oregon got a pretty stiff look this past year, I am not sure what happened with all of that. Auburn got busted, Miami got busted, Ohio State got busted. Apparently you cant win unless your cheating some how. I would love to see new blood take over and see a new string of just plain quality champions. I would love for it to be my Bruins. But let it be anybody, other than a cheater. When does BAMA get busted. They cant be that great, even Forrest Gump got into BAMA!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    First of all, Kiffin was required to win with 56 scholarship players. How many could do that? The skid at the end of last year? Depth came into play, and they had none.

    I don't like Kiffin, but he got a raw deal, and the NCAA is a joke. Johnny Foosball breaks the rules, and gets sat down a half? USC breaks the rules and gets a near-death penalty. An SEC team breaks the rules and no one notices, because it is status quo.

    Meanwhile, I laughed out loud when Kyle was mentioned on the radio as a candidate. Does anyone think Urban would've missed out on a bowl game last year? Lost to Colorado the year before? USC is a Top 10 job. Kyle is not a top 10 coach, and before Ute homers get their undies in a bunch, Bronco isn't either, although he could probably make more as a defensive coach at a top 10 school.

  • WillTheWolf CHICAGO, IL
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Think Bigger. The best coach that is probably available to a program with USC's stature is a coach who has already won a national title (BCS title, whatever) and is probably ready to move on to a new home just to get out from under another even more successful program (and coach) in his own current conference. That guy is Les Miles. He'd be chomping at the bit to take over at USC knowing he'd probably be able to get more money and would no longer have to face the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and the other SEC behemoths year after year just to get to the (new) BCS playoffs. Les Miles will be the new USC coach. Mark my words.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    If Utah couldn't beat USC with Lane Kiffin, they'll never beat USC with anybody.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    The premise of this article is really a stretch. Must be a slow news day.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Part 2 of comments:
    Chris Peterson is highly respected in Boise and in the country. He might be lured away this year because of the struggles he has had with recruiting as well as teaching lower tier players his difficult play book. He loves Boise and has loved raising his family there. So did we! Other BSU coaches have jumped ship after a couple of years of success (Kutter (sp?) and Hawkins to name a few). Not Coach Peterson. Steady and true. USC would get the gold ring if they could talk him into leaving. The $$ factor might be too big to resist.

    As a native of Boise, the only time I don't cheer for BSU is when they play BYU. I wish Chris only the best.

    Go Cougars!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Boise is solid Bronco country! They love their team, their school, and their coach. No other colors, no other teams to compete for the attention of anyone. Undivided! You can purchase royal blue and orange at the corner gas station and every where else people love their Broncos. That is one thing lacking in a 45-mile stretch here in the valley. I totally dislike the intense hatred between these two fine programs in Provo and Salt Lake by the fan base. Some who troll this paper live for the chance to bash BYU on any given point. Neither Bronco Mendenhall nor Kyle Whittingham's names were mentioned in this article, the bashing continues there anyway. And we wonder why this country is so divided on much more important issues than football!

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    I wonder why USC would have no interest in Bronco? There must be some reason?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Taking a chance on an unproven coach is risky. Kiffin was unproven and time finally caught up to him at USC. His father leaving after last season proved that the writing was on the wall, and it was time to abandon the sinking ship.

    Regardless of who USC hires, this has the most impact on the Utes. USC will not settle for mediocrity. Any chances of Utah winning the South are quickly fading. USC will hire a proven coach and will be back in the Top 20 by next year.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    The BYU rabid fans would have bought Bronco a ticket.

  • Top5Alive salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    Peterson would be a good fit man, I love this guy. as for you BYU fans, Bronco wouldn't be a bad fit in USC. But USC needs a offensive minded coach. Andy Reid doesn't want to sress of his players in BYU not honoring the Honor Code

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:43 a.m.

    Mr. Harmon, you forget one very important fact...the personalities of the type of players that Boise State gets, and that USC gets are polar opposite. The players would never respect the coach from Boise, as their prima donna attitudes would be the end of the good coaches.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:38 a.m.

    Dick let me add a few names that might dampen your extreme Perterson-mania. Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins. You could add your great kudos to both these men who had as much or more to do with Boise Jr College having some success in the FBS. Great schemers, teachers, getting the best out of the talent, all would be appropriate to the Hawk and Koetter but could they make water boil at 300 degrees when they were promoted to the big time at Arizona State and Colorado? Peterson can't buy a meal in Idaho, he could run for governor unopposed, more people worship him on Saturday night that the other guy Sunday mornings. He makes $2 million which is about $6 million in SoCal dollars and his ego doesn't require he take a stab at the big, big, time. Maybe the Football gods remove the magic once a Boise coach crosses the border, who knows, but I just don't see coach Peterson taking the risk.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    kiffin arrived with a smirk...

    Now it's the BRUIN fans doing the smirking...

    As for those usc fans living in Newport...

    Where are all the usc flags?

    No one in Newport will admit to being a usc fan these days?


  • frugalfly PULLMAN, WA
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    I am surprised that everyone associated with the Utes (including the janitor) hasn't been contacted and begged to come lead the Trojans. It is obvious that USC could never do better than the magic of the East Bench in SLC. Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush left just in time... the school is left getting the lashings.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Here's shocker. ANY change at USC, or UCLA, or any PAC-12 team will have an impact to the state of Utah. The University of Utah is a member of the PAC-12. As such we don't have to wait 8 or 10 years to feel the impact. It affects us now!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Denver Broncos DC Jack Del Rio IMO is the leading candidate & probably Kiffin's successor.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    Bronco would be a great coach in So Cal. I think he could turn that program into a winner. Same with Kyle Whittingham. Both would have allot better talent to work with.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    "If USC goes with Petersen, the Utes will see him regularly. Meanwhile, BYU plays at USC in 2021 and 2023." -- DH

    By then Peterson will be either fired or headed to the NFL as NCAA starts looking into the next round of sanctions.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    USC should beg Bronco to be their coach. Then BYU can hire Andy Reid to be our coach. I'm confident Reid would leave his $7M per year job with KC to coach the Cougars for about the
    $800K Bronco makes.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    I guess that is why USC is known as "Gods University."

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Bronco should be #1 on the list.