BYU football: Cougars overcome turnovers to beat Middle Tennessee, 37-10

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  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:57 a.m.

    I can't help but want to laugh my guts out when one of the oppressed Uggies pipes in with "they took our color, those nasty big shots". I wasn't aware that the great scientists at what the 300th rated national university in the US invented the color blue. I've read archeology of the Indus Valley where around 12,500 BC the residents developed indigo coloring from a slime found in shellfish, but I guess all the books have it wrong. But what else can one expect, but whining: "they steal our guys while on missions" ," they make us play on neutral courts".... Please call the WaaaaBulance for the Uggie fans.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:49 a.m.

    I think the Cougar nation would be a whole lot more comfortable if Socrates didn't have so much faith in Crisco Fingers returning kicks. Three fumbled kicks in one game, with the offense barely having a measurable pulse? Yet JD comments on how happy he is to have the full faith of his head coach, just what does this kid have to do to lose the job? He's a tough slot receiver but you have to know every time he sees a kick sailing through the sky towards him, he'll remember the three flubs. Middle Tenn wasn't one of the more difficult matches Wisconsin and Notre Dame provide those thrills you just can't risk a screw-up when the wiggle room is so small. Loyalty is fine, but not at the risk of a loss. Keep Crisco Fingers on the bench during special teams play.

  • softbear Olympia, WA
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Some have been critical of MTSU being a community college level team, if so you don't understand southern football. Schools like MTSU are full of great players that in most cases don't have the grades to get into the "BIG BOY" schools. It's not their ability to play the game, just grades. In fact some JC in the south could beat any team in the MT west. If you think I'm wrong just look at Bosie State a lot of their players would be playing at any school they wanted but couldn't make the grades. So don't put down some of the smaller schools, they just might have better players than the Y or the U!,,,

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Middle T. State is a Division 1 school, Weber State is not. Neener neener neener.
    Are you kidding me BYU fans? No you are not. Another page out of the dusty playbook-comparing scheduled teams.

    Remember that BYU owns scheduling Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State....You built a legacy out of playing them, they are also Division 1 schools. They are your Weber State.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    Well I won't apologize for driving you crazy, though that wasn't my intent. I also never said BYU was superior...if you took it that way what does it say about Utah fans' self image? I was saying BYU and Utah are very close in terms of how good they are and the athletes they have yet BYU, for what ever reason can't pull out a win against them, while being able to compete with and beat other PAC programs similar to Utah in talent. My point was simply that Utah isn't so superior to BYU that they should have 4 wins in a row...that's what frustrates BYU fans.

    As for people's arguments of yardage...yards are yards & points are points regardless how you get them...bottom line BYU & USU got more yardage than Utah, but Utah got more points. It just shows how equal these teams are , but this yr bragging rights belong to Utah. Really nothing more of relevance to argue about. Go Cougs!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    I'd rather be a fan of a team that is working, has heart and fighting for a chance at a Rose bowl berth than an independent program with no heart, living 30 years in the past, never looking to improve once they get to the extensive patsy portion of their WAC schedule. Look at yourselves, thumping your chest over Eastern Southern Northern Upper Lower Junior high. At least when the Utes took on Weber State they managed to break 40 points. I hate to break it to you BYU Uncle Rico types, Utah has won 4 in a row including 54-10 beatdown, Utah is the better program.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Are you serious? The fact that BYU ran almost 30 more plays than Utah did but was never in control only goes to show how bottled up BYU was against the U. I think BYU's average was about 4 yards per play while the Utae were over 6 yards per play. What good does it do to run a high number of poor plays?
    As far as Utah vs Utah State, any win over the aggies is an impressive win. BYU is about to find out how impressive.

  • Mormensarecristians Spanish fork, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    I think despite what others will say Byu is improving each week !!!

    I also want to point out that Middle Tense is 2-2 and are pretty good in Tense.

    I also want to say good luck Chuckie Keeton my vote fore the Heisman.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Middle Tennessee State?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    @So. Cal Reader
    You're sick of watching Hill run? You're sick of watching BYU pound the ball? During the Lavell years, we often complained that we could not run and that our defense was too slow.

    As for playing MTSU ... well, Utah played Weber State. Oregon State got beaten by Central Washington. Look at the monsters PAC12 and SEC teams routinely schedule.

    As for USU, well, this should be a good game. Let's see if BYU is improving or just took advantage of a smaller team. Probably BYU will be running their first-team offense this time, unless they have some more rule-breakers. I'll take the points if any USU fan is offering.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @ Tators

    "The reason both Aggie and BYU fans are not all that overly impressed with Utah's wins is that in both games, Utah had less offensive production... less yardage, fewer first downs and less time of possession... similar to both games last year. That tends to make those wins a lot less impressive"

    The only thing that matters is the final score. Period! Better teams do what they need to do to win the game. BYU and USU had more offensive production. Big deal! Utah had more points on the board at the end of the game against both in state teams. What does that say about BYU and USU?

    Let's all stop making excuses and give credit where credit is due. Utah is the best team in the state this year. The Beehive Boot is coming back to Salt Lake City.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    @go red

    MTSU is a pretty good football team that typically goes to bowls. MTSU has a good chance at 8-9 wins this season and may end up winning its league. They are a D-1 program not a D-2 program such as Weber State.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:35 p.m.


    Exactly. Just this morning I watched the BYU/Utah game replay on BYUtv. (Disclaimer: When BYU and Utah play, I root for Utah). But listening to Dave McCann and Blaine Fowler was sooooo much more pleasant that listening to Greg Wrubel.

    It's obvious that McCann and Fowler lean towards BYU (duh!), but they are so much more level headed in calling the game.

    You're right that Wrubel has a ton of info and stats, but much like David Locke, it just get to be too much to listen to. I know people call Dick Harmon a BYU homer, but Wrubel makes Harmon look like he's rooting for Utah.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    You are spot on, Greg Wrubel is horrible. I know he is the cougar announcer and he is supposed to be a bit of a homer but he never just plays it straight. He is always screaming and he does not just shade the coverage he paints his bias in neon.
    To his credit he has a wealth of info, just supper annoying.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Ute trolls and negative BYU fans should remember that Middle Tennessee State is a division 1 school which belongs to a conference (big deal to people like Chris B) and went into yesterday's game with an identical record to Utah... their only loss being to North Carolina.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    The reason both Aggie and BYU fans are not all that overly impressed with Utah's wins is that in both games, Utah had less offensive production... less yardage, fewer first downs and less time of possession... similar to both games last year. That tends to make those wins a lot less impressive.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Go Red...they are a div 1 FBS team, unlike Weber. Know your facts before you post, people like you is what drives BYU fans crazy.

  • lars Pittsburgh, PA
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:20 p.m.


    MTSU is a division 1 school, not division 2. They're in C-USA.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Wow, 5 TO - more work to do

    Taysom Hill above 60 percent passing - keep on working to make it better

    Receivers - not dropping balls - keep on working to make it better

    Mid Tenn not much of a threat - USU Aggies, almost beat "u" and "USC", we need the luck to win

    Grade - still in progress

    Funny, this Blue Raiders with MT logo on helmet came close to be MTC (WEIRD).

    Sept. 28, 2013 11:13 a.m.


    Your response to JohnJJHS above is what drives most Ute fans crazy. Your post implies that BYU's football team is superior to Utah, but just happens to get beaten by them year after year, as if there were no logical explanation. Try this: Utah's teams are better. Deal with it.

    As far as competition is concerned, if Utah had played a Division 2 school like Middle Tennessee State this week, cougar fans would be flooding the comments section, making fun of the Utes. It's the same old double standard that Ute fans have come to deal with, with your fan base.

    By the way, what is it with Hill playing deep into the 4th quarter? I mean, really?

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:12 a.m.


    "Before anybody gets too excited, it's only Middle Tennessee". Hello they're a Div. 1 school. Who did the U and Aggies play? and ran up the score. Weber!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    5 turnovers were awful, yes. But 3 of them either came around mid-field or deep in MTSU territory. The one Falslev punt fumble deep in Cougar territory did result in a MTSU TD. The interception (a right-in-the-numbers pass that was tipped into the air by a RB trying to run before the catch) was thankfully followed by an interception by the Cougar D. Otherwise, it would have turned into points.

    My point is, it depends on where you are turning the ball over. You can survive turnovers deep in the other teams territory, and sometimes even at mid-field (when you have a good defense). You can't survive multiple turnovers in your own end.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    "this game was no where near the final score."

    Huh? The outcome of the game IS the final score. Oh, I see- the Cougs should have really won the game 60-0.

    Sorry, no. The final score was 37-10. BYU couldn't even put as many points on the board against MTSU as they did against the vaunted Longhorns. This is what worries me with BYU football. This idea that beating a smaller program whose SOS is one of the lowest in the nation, somehow says, "we've improved and we're better than ever."

    USU is going to be a tough game and will be far more telling about actual improvement than playing MTSU.

    Last night, listening to KSL, I finally understood where a lot of this attitude stems from- Greg Wrubel. I can't tell you how many times he said things like, " That should have been a touchdown- but he got stopped," or "That call (or play, or miscue, or interception) shouldn't really be held against him. It wasn't REALLY his fault." That's what so frustrating about listening to him. He's not an announcer, he's a cheerleader who can't see BYU doing anything wrong.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:19 a.m.


    Just a reminder, Taysom Hill has already beaten the best Aggie team in history. Chuckie Keeton is 0-2 against two good but inconsistent BYU teams.

    If anyone has something to prove, it's Mr. Keeton.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    "Before any one gets too excited, it was Middle Tennessee State."

    Middle Tennessee has more wins this season than Air Force and SJSU combined. The Aggies haven't beaten anyone yet, either.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Props to Tom Smart on the photo gallery.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    These cross regional games are good for college football, and pay off in the long run with relationships that develop and are leveraged long after they're played. MTSU is a pretty decent school in that region through the years, and for an independent like BYU - a good scheduling choice. Coaches and ADs talk - a lot, and you can never tell when someone will get a new job and influence scheduling at a big name school. And, this game was no where near the final score. Absent totally uncharacteristic punt fumbles by Falslev, it was a normal game. The BYU-USU game should be a great one !

  • TheBleak West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    Sacking Keaton all night, eh? One of the most elusive quarterbacks in the Nation, and though he has struggled a little bit the last two games, still one of the best.I will keep an eye out for all of those sacks that you proclaim will happen, but odds are Keaton will escape and beat you with his legs, e.g. the UofU game.

    Should be a good game, and it will really show use what Hill is actually capable of when playing a good team after a good performance. (though any team that loses after gaining five turnovers is garbage.)As well as Keaton's ability to bounce back and reclaim his stride.
    The Aggs have a much better defense, great linebackers, and a great ability to stop the run; and, their offence can produce. For this reason, I think they will win.
    I am curious to see who the real Taysom Hill is, this game will be the best indicator so far. Two bad games, two good games, which one will take the best of five?

    Go Aggies!
    27-20for the Aggs.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    This game did nothing for me. Yes, a win is always the objective of any game. But if other Cougs fans are excited about this win, I don't know what they saw that I missed. I'm beyond done watching Hill run. This is the "up tempo" offensive juggernaut we read so much about? How imaginative is Hill doing the quarterback draw up the middle. And don't get too excited about this "passing numbers" from this game, against a very weak Mid Tenn secondary.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    "Now onward to a bowl game built on beating more directional community colleges!"

    And for the Utes, onward to your cellar and whipping boy status, and Salvation Army bell ringing for the holidays. 2-7 is looking just about right for the Utes in conference. Why BYU can beat everyone else in your conference and has decent records against the PAC but continues to play crappy and lose to Utah is beyond me, but don't let it go to your head. Wins against a struggling BYU program is all Utah has anything to talk about, and it will be such for the foreseeable future. Enjoy.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Thomas Jefferson, I don't see the entitlement problem, sorry. This team knows they have to earn their positions and play by the rules (see KVN, Hadley, Hoffman, the entire O-line after the Virginia game).

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Wow, nothing like beating up on Eastern Western Northern Southern Community College of Tennessee to brighten up BYU Cougar fan's day. No incentive to get better when playing these kind of schools puffs up your self esteem after a tough loss. Now onward to a bowl game built on beating more directional community colleges!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @Aggie84 - "I think it will be another defensive battle which will give the Aggies the advantage."

    I'm hoping you are right - that it will be a defensive battle, because I think BYU is a better defensive team than the Aggies. But I will give USU the edge on the offense. I think it should be a great game.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Great win Cougars! Great to see Hill finally starting to come around as a passer to compliment his running. Much improvement from the last game but alas it was disappointing to see another problem with turnovers. Hope we won't repeat that against the Aggies or we'll surely suffer another defeat.

    Also disappointed to hear of Hoffman's team rule violation. It would've been great to see him last night when Hill finally started to find his touch. He lost a chance to add significantly to his totals to break and set every receiving records he's after at BYU.

    Glad also to see Jamaal Williams recovering nicely from his injury.

    Go Cougars!

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    The first picture shows Hill lunging in for a touchdown despite all Middle Tennessee and one ref can do to keep him out of the end zone!

  • Proud Ute ,
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    9 penalties for 80 yards in the first half. Does that mean it's just not PAC 12 officials that "have it in" for the coogs? It couldn't possibly be sloppy play.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    MTSU is really good at turnovers, so don't expect this to be a recurring thing. Didn't BYU just emphasize turnovers for weeks? Back to the drawing board.

    Looking forward to Van Noy, Fua, and Beck pressuring and sacking Keaton all night. Don't give me the "usu's offensive line is amazing and stout" garbage. The team is 20th in the nation in sacks. Even SJSU got him twice.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Before any one gets too excited, it was Middle Tennessee State.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    If BYU thinks that they can beat good teams with 5 turnovers, they better think again. It won't happen. They need to take better care of the ball.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:27 a.m.

    I think it will be another defensive battle which will give the Aggies the advantage. Much better all around offense. We will see which true blue will win. I believe that we will win. The original True Blue of Utah. Go Aggies

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    A win is a win is a win.

    Take it and drive on.

    Go Cougars!

  • TamaBYU Provo, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Offense gotta step it up. You give USU five turn overs Chuckie be running around for five TD. Rise Up