Imbalanced reporting on Mormon feminists

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  • Humbly Yours Camas, WA
    Sept. 29, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    I'd like to thank procuradorfiscal from Tooele for her refreshing comment;

    " experience tells me that if the Lord permitted women to administer Church and Priesthood, they'd do so well at it that most men would feel unneeded and become less active, devoting themselves to hunting, fishing, riding four-wheelers, and watching football on Sundays, rather than attending to the weightier matters."

    She's on to something! As a missionary in Ukraine 20 years ago, we were opening cities to the gospel and counseled by area authorities to proselytize specifically to men and families. We needed priesthood. Despite our efforts, women STILL joined in numbers greater than men and seemed tremendously capable through their numerous gifts to lead, love and serve. It was priesthood responsibility that helped lift men to their level.

    Overwhelmingly, we carried MEN home that were drunk and passed out in the snow, and it was drunken MEN who were continually kicked out of their apartments by exasperated wives.

    God mercifully gives us men something we desperately need to help us along the way to being more like our tremendously amazing help-meets. Thank you Father!

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    President David O MacKay told us that there is no greater calling then motherhood. I was quoting the prophet.

    I am not sure what labor and delivery have to do with having the priesthood or not but hey, I am willing to let men experience it.

    If you have studied the scriptures, you will know of many women over the generations of this planet that have been prophetesses and priestesses.
    These women have one thing in common, they are all called of God. As are the wives of our General Authorities and the Auxiliary leaders of the Church. No man is called to any position of leadership without the blessing and support of his wife.
    Nor is a woman called without the support of her husband.

    Callings can not be forced and demanding the Lord give you authority to act in his name is more then foolish it is a sign of disobedience and pride.

    Isaiah speaks at length about our day and the haughty daughters of Zion. Sisters do not be like this, we will suffer greatly for our pride.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    What some people don't realize is the Priesthood organization we have here on earth is the Lord's affirmative action program for men. It helps them develop those qualities that are innate in women. Generally speaking.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 29, 2013 9:58 a.m.


    I would agree that being a mother has been the greatest (and at times, the hardest) "calling" ever.

    And my husband would say the same about being a father.

    But i would also say, pregnancy, labor and delivery are nowhere on the list of what was great about being a mother-nor are they required for a woman to become a mother.

    Personally, for me, I have no desire to be in a "leadership" position, but I can imagine standing side by side with my husband to give our children blessings.

    And, i don't the women asking our leaders (do you?) to petition the Lord, so I wouldn't judge their life experiences nor their hearts.
    But I would be open to receiving the priesthood if/when it becomes available to me.

    Though i don't necessarily agree with what you said, thank you for a civil and respectful critique, a very rare commodity and one to emulate.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    The greatest calling anyone can ever have on this earth is that of "MOTHER".

    A calling no man will ever truly have.

    Not one of those women demanding the priesthood must have ever been involved in a Ward Council, in a Ward Relief Society Presidency, Young Women's Presidency, Primary Presidency or Cub Scout Master and Assistant Cub Master.
    If they had they would know that leadership comes to women, our voices are heard, our thoughts have great weight and our input is invaluable.

    Of course, these are all callings and you can not force your way into a calling.
    The Lord calls those who are worthy and willing, not those who are seeking unrighteous dominion over the souls of his children!

  • Rockyrd Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    Please read the New York Times, listen to NPR, Time magazine, etc. There is a lot of talk about the Church and women in the Church and has been for years. Ethnocentric may describe Utah somewhat, but I'll take my membership and lifestyle over any other I've seen. If you look around, the world is in pretty bad shape while the Church and its members thrive while helping others do the same. If you have something better to offer, I'm happy to hear it. Please note that I am engaging in logical discourse. Whether you agree or disagree, you have my best wishes.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    Re: " How did women get ruled out from the top positions [of?] devotion and authority."

    Well, I don't pretend to know much about the mind of God, but my experience tells me that if the Lord permitted women to administer Church and Priesthood, they'd do so well at it that most men would feel unneeded and become less active, devoting themselves to hunting, fishing, riding four-wheelers, and watching football on Sundays, rather than attending to the weightier matters.

    I think God permits the Church to be less well-run than it could be, if left to the Relief Society, for men's own good.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Re: "Any woman worth her testimony fully understands that the God she worships loves her and recognizes her greatness . . . ."

    As does any man worth his testimony.

    I humbly bow to Sis. Cropper's superior wisdom, intellect, experience, and ability to express them.

    I have a lot of experience bowing to the wisdom of my better 95%.

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    You're right, Wastintime. I shouldn't have assumed that the original letter writer was speaking of "many national news stories," although the story is a current AP release and appears on the ABC News website as well as local news outlets outside of Utah. But my original statement was misleading.

    After Ordain Women was officially and publicly launched during April conference last year, LDS spokeswoman Jessica Moody made this statement: “The practice of ordaining men to the priesthood was established by Jesus Christ himself and is not a decision to be made by those on Earth.”

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 5:23 p.m.


    "I'm pretty sure Ms. Cropper is writing about the many national news stories about the latest Ordain Women activities."

    Please name some of the "national news" outlets carrying these stories. There was a tiny story in the LA Times 6 months ago about Mormon women (and it was hardly on subject or biased); a search of the NY Times retrieves zero stories on anything similar to this subject.

    People outside Utah generally don't care about (or even think) about Mormons and Mormon issues. Ethnocentric Utahns try to project interest, but it isn't there. If this is really a national issue you would think the liberal New York Times would have at least one recent article on the subject.

    I agree wholeheartedly that "equating priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is ridiculous." I find people who can’t engage in intellectual discourse (or do not have logical arguments) like to brush off challenges to their thinking with ridiculous statements that make no sense. We saw it with Prop 8 and we see it here.

    When asked about women someday holding the priesthood, President Hinckley did not rule out the possibility. Some posters pretend to know more than he.

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Truthseeker, you said, "I don't see how one article constitutes an imbalance." I don't know what single article you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure Ms. Cropper is writing about the many national news stories about the latest Ordain Women activities. You also implied that the Church may not value the input of women. I don't have space enough here to cite my proof to the contrary, but just google "input of women" at and see what you get. Or attend ward council.

    Having said that, I must say I completely agree with your statement, "equating priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is ridiculous." You're right. Maternity is not the female complement to the priesthood. The ability to give birth in this life has no bearing (so to speak) on the divine role of women. There is no reason to assign "equivalent" roles anyway. Attempts by some commenters here to divide up responsibilities by gender are misguided. Elder Ballard said, "In the eternal perspective, both the procreative power and the priesthood power are shared by husband and wife."

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    @ Truthseeker. Men and women have different divinely appointed roles but are equal partners. You can believe that or not but you can not change it and man's logic has nothing to do with it. Who would want to belong to any church who's teachings have been made over in the image of a mortal man's (or woman's) "logic"?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    Between the two sexes, In my opinion, out of the three gifts that you can give and still keep. [your smile, your heart and your word]. the girls take first place.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:03 p.m.


    Anatomically you are correct. Men can't bear children, but they create children. Is there anything anatomically wrong with women that they couldn't have the priesthood? What about women who are physically unable to have children? Using your logic shouldn't barren women then get the priesthood?

    This whole theme of equating priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is ridiculous.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    Equal partners with different roles. As a man, my role eliminates my ability to bear children,
    therefore I should waste my life fighting that reality? Do something wonderful with your gift of life and your role in it, not waste it fighting the way things were ordained by the Creator. In which we all agreed to participate and contribute in our roles.

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Hutterite, if you read Ms. Cropper's letter more carefully, you'll see that she's not complaining about the media "acknowledging [the] existence" of so-called Mormon feminists. She said they are reporting the "'plight' of the modern Mormon woman," as if all Mormon women are suffering by being denied the priesthood. Unless a greater proportion of news stories are appearing which reflect the satisfaction of the vast majority of Mormon women with the status quo, then yes, that's imbalanced reporting.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    I don't see how one article constitutes an imbalance.

    I remember vaguely long ago Elder Jeffrey Holland speaking at our evening Stk Conference meeting. He recounted an incident where there was a meeting ostensibly with the 12 and I presume the leaders of the Gen. Relief Society, when they were ushering the women out so they could continue their meeting, one of the women poked her head back in the door and said something to the effect of "if you want to know about the missionary program you should ask the mothers."

    I have long thought women in the church deserved more of a role in decision-making, and that our input would be invaluable.

    This issue reminds me somewhat of an animal, raised in a cage and then set free, initially being reluctant to escape its cage because it doesn't know any different.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    It is a matter of justice. If one believes Mormon doctrine then Jesus is the literal son of God and Mary, a woman. Man had no part in it but somehow man ends up controlling Jesus's church and women are excluded from the presidency. How did women get ruled out from the top positions devotion and authority.

  • queenbeemarian SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    You are my hero! I have thought and expressed exactly the same sentiments. Those of us who are strong women and devoted Saints need to get the word out that we don't have a problem with our place in the community of the Church. We all have the opportunity to serve where we are most needed and don't appreciate others telling us how "oppressed" we are. And, who's got the time to listen to those whiners, anyway?

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    I appreciate the letter - especially coming from an author who many would feel would sympathize with feminists due to her political background. In my experience talking with people I would say that for every "Mormon feminist" there are closer to 20, 50, or 100 women who go about faithfully serving and living their religion and don't have any issues with the Priesthood leadership or church policies.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Apparently there are some who go about their lives serving God according to the dictates of their own consciences, yet hear different dictation. Of course in the mormon world they can be denied a hearing but surely acknowledging their existence in the media doesn't constitute imbalanced reporting, does it?