Today's TCU Horned Frogs: Tomorrow's USU Aggies?

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  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 9:37 p.m.


    Finally an aggie recognized an accomplishment that wasn't achieved by the aggies. While I do agree Utah will never see it, I have to say USU is in the same boat. Let's see who disagrees.

  • AgVikBronc Preston, ID
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    "usu and byu will never be a big time program."

    neither will Utah Chris, they'll continue to be a team who once "busted" into the scene as a little guy but will never get it done now that they're at the table. Keep living in those glory days (when you were in the MWC that you so now despise) because nowadays Utah will forever be listed among the Duke's, Indiana's, and Iowa State's of the Major Conference world.

    And you keep dissing on BYU yet their glory days include a national title, something you will never be able to claim.

    You make it easier and easier to cheer against Utah, whereas in the past I always rooted for them

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    Agent X always putting BCS spin on his arguments... 'list all the teams with 2 bcs bowl wins....' Okay, I will make a list of teams with 2 BCS championship wins... Alabama (3), LSU and Florida.... Not just whoopty doo BCS aligned bowl wins, but the whole lebowsky. Quit making this nefarious dribble a means of building up the cellar of the Pac-12 3 years strong pending what happens the next 9 weeks starting the 5th. But right now 3-0 v Utah teams and 0-1 against conference foes doesn't look all that stellar! No longer be beguiled into thinking that mere alignment with a BCS conference symbolizes greatness. And... For the love of all sanity, quit talking BCS anything as in January 2014... Still as it has been slated to do for over a year now it DIES! The 4 team format won't last long either... I foresee too many BCSish problems that see it replaced and more of NFL etc type set up. With your reasoning the Jazz are among the elite of the NBA thanks to their back to back finals appearances.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Sept. 27, 2013 6:45 p.m.

    Chris B can takes satisfaction that Utah is a big time program and USU is not. So what? Harvard isn't a big time program but provides great athletic value to the college. Chris is from the "bigger is better" school of thought. Time to move on and let him rave all he wants about the Utes and denegrate the Aggies (must make him feel powerful). I really don't care and have no hopes for USU to become a big time program. It can't with its population base, funding, endowment, and other limited resources. But it can provide a ton of sports entertainment value, particularly on those sublime moments when we do beat Utah and BYU.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    @Chris B

    I wasn't spinning a thing. Of course smaller programs don't often get the best athletes. What I meant is that those smaller programs can craft unique identities for themselves based off of the type of players they recruit.

    Regardless of star rating, you can still recruit a dual-threat quarterback and a tough group of linebackers and become a pass-first team or make up some other combination. The possibilities are numerous.

    And for being a "big-time program," Utah sure hasn't done much in the Pac-12. I'd still rather be a big fish in a little pond than a little fish in a big pond.

    No Pac-12 jealousy from this Aggie fan at all.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:28 a.m.


    By different recruiting preferences, that is spin for "Better programs get better athletes and worse programs settle for the leftovers they know they can get"

    The only big time program in the entire country that isn't in a BCS conference in Notre Dame. And that very likely will never change again. Conferences may continue to realign, but considering if 4 superconferneces form, which most experts believe, there are already too many teams within the BCS conferences, and some will get the boot.

    If any team isn't in a big conference now(other than Notre Dame), they'll never be in one.

    usu and byu will never be a big time program.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    This article gives the illusion that USU will follow the same path of TCU. What I mean by that is, constantly win, be ranked in the high top25, go to a BCS bowl, and finally get an invite from the WAC 2.0 to the Big12. Just as TCU did. This is all false because clearly TCU is on a different level.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    @Lightening Lad

    Evidently, it's not that crazy. The article brought up some very interesting and valid points and pointed out some very neat coincidences, too.

    TCU didn't get good overnight. Neither has Utah State. It's been a gradual process. In fact, TCU's program was no good until about 13 or 14 years ago. They rose to where they are today gradually.

    I strongly believe we can do the same. Still a process and still climbing, though.

    And I disagree with your assessment that all 3 Utah teams can't do well at the same time. Different conferences, different recruiting preferences, different niches equal unique opportunities and fan bases and support networks. And heck, some people support all 3 schools, so that doesn't hurt, either.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:33 a.m.


    Hawaii and Northern Illinois do not have multiple BCS bowl wins.

    Make a list of all teams who have TWO BCS BOWL WINS.

    You'll have the Utah is in a very prestigious group

    And you wont find byu or usu anywhere near those prestigious teams

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    College Recruiting rankings
    Ute's 2010 Rank #32 in nation
    2011 #37
    2012 #28
    2013 #44
    USU 2010 #108
    2011 #77
    2012 #116
    2013 #104
    BYU 2010 #40
    2011 #62
    2012 #61
    2013 #70

    Looking at the #'s USU shouldn't even be breaking even with the recuriting that they receive. But somehow they keep winning or losing by a few points to teams that are significantly higher in rankings.

  • AgVikBronc Preston, ID
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    you're funny Chris B, in your analysis of fun regional programs you clearly forgot Utah. You'll probably come back with something about some BCS appearances and such but even Hawaii and Northern Illinois have done that, and more recently. You're not that special, as evidences by your hugely sub par performance in the PAC.
    As hard as it may be for you to admit Chris, the separation between the three schools in Utah is only $$$$. If the separation on the field was as big as you think it is, the results this year would have been vastly different. When the games between them are no longer competitive, then you can open your mouth. You're school is scared enough they bought out the trip to Logan next year, that says something....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:54 a.m.



    There is a big difference between the quality of athletes at TCU and USU.

    usu and byu will both always be fun regional programs that simply don't have the athletes or support to become a top tier program.

    I don't see a significant bowl or significant conference invitation for either school in the next 1,000 years.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    This is getting crazy, the program has had 1, just ONE decent season in so many losing years, and the pimping won't stop. It's great they aren't in danger of Div 1 suspension for not hitting, or coming close, to the 15,000 average attendance, and winning and developing good players is terrific. But why not let them EARN THE ACCOLADES FIRST, by developing a history of beating good non-conference teams first? I'm never understand why both SLC papers predicted 8 win seasons and a bowl, two years before Anderson was hired, and the 7 or 8 win predictions just kept coming until they hit the mark IN 2012! Recall that even in 2011 it took overtime or last second heroics to BEAT I-dee-HO and New Mexico St and hit the outstanding, truly amazing, 7 WINS PINNACLE! TCU has people with a lot of money behind their program, they just rebuilt an expanded Carter Stadium that cost more than the total of all the college football stadiums in Utah, and Texas has 10X Utah's population,, Utah has too many Div 1 programs for all to succeed there just isn't enough support in little Cache County