Love the work that Mike Lee is doing. He is doing exactly what he was sent to
do. Go Mike!!!
Senator Lee is a sponsor of a all or nothing bill, If he does not get his way.
All or nothing requires him to resign if Obamacare funded.
So far Mike Lee has proven he has no principles. His job is to do what is right
for the majority of Americans. He's not doing that. So far he hasn't
come close to doing that even one time. Is plan is no plan. He simply
needs to go back to being an ambulance chaser.
@Roland Keyser "If you want to repeal a law, both houses of congress have to
pass a repeal bill and the president has to sign it. That's the only
constitutional way to do it."The House didn't repeal the
law, it defunded it. The Constitution grants the power of the purse to the House
of Representatives. "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the
House of Representatives...." Madison said that the power of the purse
rightly belongs to the house of government closest to the people. Far from being
unconstitutional, it is exactly what the Constitution provides.It is
well-established that the present Congress is not bound by the acts of any
previous Congress. If the current Congress withholds funding from legislation
passed by a previous Congress, they have every right to do so. A
recent example is the border fence, which is currently the law of the land, but
is not being funded, and therefore is not being built. You seem to think it is
unconstitutional to withhold this funding. If so, you are mistaken.
@J ThompsonSPRINGVILLE, UTLiberal,Do you really think
that ObamaCare is the law of the land?=====BlueSalt Lake City, UTJ Thompson: "Do you really think that
ObamaCare is the law of the land?"The ACA passed in both houses
of congress,The ACA was signed into law by the president,The ACA was
sustained by the US Supreme Court after a legal challenge,So yes, it
is in fact the law of the land.That's the way our government
works.=======Thanks Blue.He either
doesn't know how our system of Government spelled out in the Constitution
works, or is bending over backwards to TRAMPLE it.
Re: "So many conservatives are now trying to shift the blame for a shutdown
to the democrats."Seems only fair. It IS their fault.They're the ones who've taken any compromise off the table,
insisting they're going to hold out for EVERYTHING they want, instead of 99
Very meaningful and thoughtful letter. A Republican party without principles
So many conservatives are now trying to shift the blame for a shutdown to the
democrats. Whatever happened to your "take personal responsibility"
mantra? It only suits you when it isn't you taking the responsibility, I
see. What hypocrites.
Question for Mike Richards:You seem to be a self-proclaimed expert
on the Constitution.I need your interpretations of the Necessary and
Proper Clause and Promoting the General Welfare. It seems to me
that any law passed by Congress, signed by the President and then upheld by the
Supreme Court could fall into either of those two things. I
don't like the ACA that much, I have serious misgivings. But it seems to
me it is Constitutional based on the system we have used since The Constitution.
How do you see it? Am I missing something?
J Thompson: "Do you really think that ObamaCare is the law of the
land?"The ACA passed in both houses of congress,The ACA
was signed into law by the president,The ACA was sustained by the US
Supreme Court after a legal challenge,So yes, it is in fact the law
of the land.That's the way our government works.Moreover, we held a national election in 2012, with Romney campaigning against
the ACA, and Obama campaigning on its behalf. Obama won.In the
Senate, the Democrats, running on a platform of endorsing the ACA expanded their
majority.Moreover, nationally, significantly more people voted for
Democratic congressional representatives than Republicans. The only reason the
GOP still holds the House is their gerrymandering.One more time -
the ACA _is_ the law of the land, and when put to a vote in public, it does
@T. Party 7:40 a.m. Sept. 27, 2013When you see a train wreck about
to happen, you do everything in your means to avert it.----------------------Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and those like them are
the train wrecks that have already happened, and are about to happen again.
It's long past the time when they should be sent packing. Is it possible
to impeach then and remove them from office? If not -- vote them the heck out
of office the next time they stand for election. The people of this country
Liberal,Do you really think that ObamaCare is the law of the land?
The Court declared that it was a tax, that Congress had the right to levy taxes,
and that elections have consequences. They did not rule on the legality of that
tax. Obama told us that ObamaCare was not a tax and now he refuses to implement
that tax so that the Court can't rule on its legality until after the 2014
election. Reid has said that ObamaCare was just a step towards a single-payer
health care plan. Pelosi told us that we wouldn't know what was in the
bill until the bill was passed. So, do you accept Obama's
rejection of the Court? Do you accept Reid's redefinition of what
ObamaCare is supposed to do? Do you accept Pelosi's statement that no one
even knows what is in that bill?Mike Lee had the courage to refute
Obama, Reid and Pelosi. He had the courage to reject that tax as something that
the people had authorized. If seems that you have no such qualms.
@6:51 a.m. Sept. 27, 2013@10:44 a.m. Sept. 27, 2013========= 12.We believe in being subject to kings, presidents,
rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.The ACA already IS the law of the land.How can you say and believe one
thing, and do another?Where's the integrity?Here's a
HINT, Try this;Good, Better, Best.If
you don't like ACA, Follow the prophet's advise [OK, Elder
Dallin H. Oaks] and come up with something better!IMHO -
Single-payer is the BEST.
Why not go for some improvements to the law? in a few words, because they are
afraid the ACA may actually be successful.
Is it just me, or does Sen. Mike Lee remind anyone else of the Black
Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail?
I like principles as much as the next guy, and I like politicians who will stand
on principle. But I have to wonder how much of this is real principles... and
how much is self promotion.IF it's real principles... then
I'm for it (even though it will ultimately fail).IF it's
just "look at me" (as most politicians are)... then I don't
approve.I do like America to remain a capitalist nation with free
market principles. I DON'T want America to be "fundamental
transformed"... IF that transformation is TOO a Socialist Welfare State. I
prefer the "Participation Society" the Dutch are returning to (after
realizing the socialist welfare state doesn't work).Obama said,
"we are just 5 days from fundamentally transforming the United States",
5 days before taking office. Yesterday he said "We are 5 days away from
COMPLETING the Fundamental Transformation"... To WHAT? A Welfare State?If you don't think this transition to government controlling your
health is important... why did he say the "COMPLETION" of the
transformation is just 5 days away?Obviously this IS important to
the Socialist transition plan. And therefor is an issue of Principle (to some
Baron Scarpia,Republicans HAVE tried to make minor changes. But any time
they even TRY to TOUCH ObamaCare the Democrats freak out.They
don't have the numbers to change it (every proposal is called "DOA"
by the Democrat controlled Senate, and doesn't even get read by the
Senate). But they do have the numbers to block it. So that's what they
do. The founding fathers WANTED the minority to be able to block
things. They WANTED the majority to have to work with the minority until there
was enough "WIN" in it for BOTH sides before anything passed (meaning
almost all Americans would be happy with the legislation before it passed... not
just HALF of the Americans).IF Democrats had done this back when
they had their super-majority power-orgy... we wouldn't be where we are
today. The legislation would have been hammered out and hopefully improved with
wins for BOTH sides in it before it passed. That's what the founding
fathers WANTED to happen. Not one side running roughshod over the other doing
anything they wanted and not even including the other side in the negotiations.
Oh, Nonconlib, that is absolutely frightening. But I'm afraid you're
right. Too many Americans lack the intelligence needed to see what's
happening. Either that, or they're distracted by their constant need for
Re: "Entirely missing from this Cruz/Lee circus is anything resembling a
coherent, workable alternative from the GOP for the tens of millions of
Americans who can't obtain or afford health insurance . . . ."And, of course, as liberals never mention -- Obamacare will only make it
WORSE. The "Affordable Care Act" is ANYTHING but. It was designed to
leave out illegal aliens and 30 million Americans. And many more who can now
afford care will simply be priced out of the market.Obamacare is
designed to collapse the system and make health care more unavailable than it is
now, so liberals can ride in on their white horses and "save" us from
the crisis they intentionally created.It's just standard
disingenuous, destructive leftist tactics at work.
The trouble is, Mike Lee doesn't have a way. He has no plan, other than
loudly proclaiming "NO"! to anything the President attempts to do.The healthcare system in the US is a failure. In most medical categories we
rank far below many countries that Americans consider third world, an we pay far
more for it than any other nation. It is a failure for most Americans.Romneycare is far from perfect but it is a huge step in the right direction
and all Lee can do is scream NO!
The tea party is demonstrating that it is not about governing but obstructing,
intimidating, and dogmatism. Hopefully this will be the end of the movement.
Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UTMike Lee and his
allies cannot achieve their aims via our democratic process. If you want to
repeal a law, both houses of congress have to pass a repeal bill and the
president has to sign it. That's the only constitutional way to do it.
Instead they are using extortion as a way to subvert a law that was legitimately
enacted via our democratic process. Lee and his buddies are
subverting the constitution and the rule of law.9:20 a.m. Sept. 27,
2013=========== Brillant comment!Agreed
100%That is EXACTLY what they are doing....Extortion -- just
like the Mafia.Dis-obeying the rule of law and Trampling the
Constitution.Kind of reminds me of Lucifer, when he didn't get
HIS way by a Democratic process.
"...if it can't get 100 percent of what it wants,""pass a budget without drama."These are quotes by our
president.Well the House passed 99% of the funding for the
government. That is a far cry from saying 'no' to
everything. It is saying yes to 99% of what democrats want. But for
the democrats, they demand 100% or they will shut this country down!The final quote from Obama, "I won't compromise on the
debt...."With him it is his way, or NO WAY!
@T party so its your way or the highway the? sorry the congress
does not get out of it that easy.
It's enlightening to observe that those who are against Mike Lee use
something called "evil speaking" against him to further their agenda.
They can't or won't promote the advantages of ObamaCare. For that
matter, even Obama will not or cannot promote ObamaCare. He wants the
enforcement of that bill to be delayed. He doesn't want the political
fallout of what he champions to return and bite him in the 2014 election. Mike Lee has the courage to tell us that the emperor is wearing no
clothes, even as those who sing and dance with Obama try to tell us that
Obama's non-existant clothes are too fine to see and to pure to feel. Mike
Lee stands up for the Constitution while Obama and Obama's minions trample
all over that document.
Cruz and Lee's overriding purpose with their tactics is to raise money for
entrenching themselves in the dysfunctional Senate. Those that call Jim Matheson
a democrat are delusional. What we have here is a congress of monkeys that have
no understanding about economics or the constitutional process of government.
Instead of rolling up their sleeves and fixing the flaws they, themselves
created, they will damage the "full faith and credit" of the United
States. Unprecedented. By the way, Mike Lee has no white horse.
Correction: I am pleased with Senator Lee et all trying to prevent the ACA bill
being FUNDED; it already passed. After the juggernaut is halted or
paused, by defunding, a complete and detailed discussion could then take place
on this subject, which never took place before in its breathless passage. This
is a fundamental change to American society and needs a comprehensive airing.
I would hope that it is a bill that is presented not a complete
bureaucratic code, so far as it length is concerned. I doubt if a handful, if
even that, of the senators and representatives actually read the bill and we all
know of Pelosi's shameful statement that they should pass the bill and then
learn what it actually contained.
I don't know what would happen if "the government shut down".
Though there are those who artfully suggest, and even outrightly state, that it
would mean military pay and social security etc would cease to function
apparently that is not the case.What WOULD happen then? Does anyone
know?I am pleased to see Senator Lee, Cruz, Sessions etc attempt to
prevent the ACA bill passing. Many people have already received letters stating
that their insurance premiums will go up, while others have had their work hours
reduced to part time due to the ACA. One of our children has already said that
they will pay the penalty; they could not afford health care before and they
still cannot. They will be worse off and still have no health care. Democrats are afraid to withdraw their support of ACA and Republicans are
afraid they will be called bad names if they stand for anything. Most of
Congress seem unconcerned about others as a ruling class with special
retirement and health care programs funded in large part by the taxpayers.A majority of the people do not seem to want this program.
one old man,I hate to disagree with you. You're usually spot
on. But it will take more than Lee and Cruz to defeat the GOP in House elections
next year. In spite of Democrats winning the overall vote in House elections in
2012, the GOP has gerrymandered its way to a majority by catering to pockets of
extremism. It will take two or three more cycles of lunacy to convince enough
die-hard conservatives that their chosen ones are destroying the country.
It's fine to stand on principle. But if your principles are dead wrong, as
most of the Tea Party principles are--particularly their naive view of
economics--then standing on principle is about the worst thing you can do.
Entirely missing from this Cruz/Lee circus is anything resembling a coherent,
workable alternative from the GOP for the tens of millions of Americans who
can't obtain or afford health insurance under our current system.Lest we forget, the ACA is in fact just a national version of
"Romneycare" in Massachusetts, which was originally the brainchild of
the conservative Heritage Foundation.Individual mandates, extra
taxes for failing to offer employees health insurance, state-run insurance
exchanges, eliminating pre-existing conditions exclusions, those all were
_Republican_ ideas from the mid-1990's.Meanwhile, healthcare
costs are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in our nation, we spend vastly
more per person on healthcare administration costs than any other nation, yet we
rank well below other industrialized nations in terms of quality and
availability of healthcare.If you don't like the ACA, fine,
offer a workable alternative, explain how it would work, how much in would cost,
why it's better than the ACA, and get busy convincing politicians to get on
board. Otherwise - you're just wasting everyone's time.
Glenn Reynolds, writing for USA Today, wrote: "So the Republican-controlled
House of Representatives -- with the help of a couple of Democrats -- has voted
to defund ObamaCare. In response, President Obama, declaring that the
Republicans are "trying to mess with me," has accused the House of
trying to shut down the government.But the government will only shut
down if Obama vetoes the budget that comes to his desk. The House budget funds
everything except for implementation of the Affordable Care Act better known as
ObamaCare. In truth, by refusing even to negotiate with the House leadership and
threatening to veto a budget that doesn't fit his own specifications, it is
Obama, not the House of Representatives, who is putting the country at risk of a
government shutdown."----Many on the Left would like
us to believe that the Republicans are behind the effort to hurt America by
"shutting down America". Obama wanted us to hurt as much as possible
when he crippled the Airports after his Squester plan was enacted. Now he is
trying to tell us that he is not responsible for his threats, even though he
holds the pen in his own hand.
Mike Lee and his allies cannot achieve their aims via our democratic process. If
you want to repeal a law, both houses of congress have to pass a repeal bill and
the president has to sign it. That's the only constitutional way to do it.
Instead they are using extortion as a way to subvert a law that was legitimately
enacted via our democratic process. Lee and his buddies are
subverting the constitution and the rule of law.
When they first formed, I hoped the Tea Party would break the gridlock in
Washington. It turns out the Tea Party made gridlock worse... much worse. I
understand the Republican Party taking the Tea Party under wing in hopes of
revitalizing the GOP. They regret it now.The Republicans will bear
the blame of a government shut down. I wonder if there is some way they can
focus the blame on the Tea Party members in their party. That would allow the
GOP to clean house and get back to the values of Ronald Reagan.
"So instead of threatening the very life of the Republican Party with the
destructive extremism of no, no, no, why don’t conservative Republicans
and Democrats get busy proposing needed changes in the law?"______________________________If history is any indicator,
that's eventually what will happen. But as long as political hay can be
made by guys like Ted Cruz who would rather make a spectacle of himself than be
a responsible legislator, we'll just have to wait for that circus to run
"The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while
defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate
want to shut it down."FALSE.The government will shut
down only if the GOP continues to play its silly, childish games. Intelligent
Americans -- and there are lots of us -- will see through the propaganda smoke
screens and will know who to blame.Not only are Lee and Cruz making
complete fools of themselves, they are also ensuring a sweeping victory by
Democrats in the next election. It's going to be fun to watch.
The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while
defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate
want to shut it down.
I though the Tea Party members were against big union strikes. The actions of
these so-called patriots threatening to close down the government to get rid of
the Affordable Healthcare Act feel so much like union members who threaten to
strike to get their way.
When you see a train wreck about to happen, you do everything in your means to
The first duty of every Senator is to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution
is our guarantee that the government will not use public money for private
welfare. When most Senators, including our own Orrin Hatch willingly dip into
the public treasury to pay for the personal welfare of the citizens, people like
Mike Lee stand out as patriots.When a citizen asks government to use
public money to pay their personal medical bills, they have breached their
responsibility to require honesty in governmetn. Too many people have abdicated
their rights and responsibilities of citizenship for a bowl of mush. They would
rather have a nanny than to be free from an opressive government. The heritage
that was passed to them is being squandered so that someone from the government
will pat their heads and wipe their noses.Those who require other
citizens to pay for their personal welfare do not deserve freedom. Freedom
requires personal effort. It requires that all citizens reject those who would
have a king, those who would grovel for crumbs that fall from the king's
table. Obama has those pseudo citizens right where he wants them, grovelling for
At the moment, anything at all proposed by any democrat will be met with a loud
"NO" by Mike Lee and his crowd. They're just not interested in
anything but their own way.
Even President Obama admits that ObamaCare isn't perfect, but like past
legislation, and even our Constitution, America has moved forward with
implementing laws passed by Congress and worked to improve them. This should be
the outlook of the GOP. I think because the GOP has been bent on
"no" rather than making recommendations for improving the law,
they've lost credibility with the majority of Americans, and it
doesn't bode well for 2014 mid-term elections. Perhaps they fear that a
year into ObamaCare, Americans will see how it works -- and if it seems to
benefit citizens -- the GOP will lose further credibility.
Re: ". . . why don’t conservative Republicans and Democrats get busy
proposing needed changes in the law?"Talk about your
"foolish and hopeless exercises." It would be foolish and hopeless to
waste time on reasonable approaches to changing Obamacare.As you
mention, it's Obama and the left's signature piece of legislation. But
they've admitted it just a first [rather large] step toward a socialized,
single-payer takeover of medicine. Which is, of course, merely a step toward
complete socialization of all means of production and service [communism].No left-leaning politician will agree to step back from the socialist
brink -- that's where they want to be.Real people simply
can't afford to compromise with the leftist enemy anymore. There are WAY
more of us than there are of them. But they use the insane notion of some
obligation to compromise with them as the club to beat us bloody and exercise
minoritarian control.Every compromise brings them a step closer to
victory.They've got to be stopped. And confrontation is the
only way to do it.