My View: Wow, Utah is in the Top 4

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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    @procuradorfiscal --

    "Real Utahns this..."
    "Real Utahns that..."

    to win an argument?

    Sort of like that cheezy AM radio game:

    "real Americans this..."
    "real Americans that..."
    "true patriots this..."
    "true patriots that..."

    BTW - college drop out AM radio talk shows are the only one's still claiming that Global Warming is a hoax.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    So to net it out... those who agree with procuradorfiscal views.... those are true Utahans. The rest of you all.... unworthy of his respect nor the tittle of being a Utahan. Makes no difference that these people and their ancestors sacrificed to carve out this land from the wilderness the place that procuradorfiscal now calls his own. Political views make you a Utahan.

    No matter whose blood is in the ground. No matter what level of sacrifice. Just a monolithic view that of political adherence makes you a Utahan.

    It is that blatant disrespect for others that worries me far more than any political ideology. That some person can decide who gets to be, and who doesn't get to be part of society.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Re: "Re: Your dismissal of others as fake because they care . . . ."

    Oh, I don't think anyone suggests liberals don't care. They just care way too deeply about all the wrong stuff. Things that real people quickly recognize as unimportant, but liberals don't.

    It's an unfortunate truth that generations of Utah ancestors does not a real Utahn make. Real Utahns are those of us that, unlike liberals, take both a broad view, and a long view as to what's best for Utah and Utahns. Not just what's important to back-East and Left-coast activists, East-bench academics, radical greenies, and heritage-embarrassed iconoclasts, straining hard to prove they're open minded by hoeing to a rigid, orthodox line, dictated by liberal icons.

    And, that's true whether one's ancestors first occupied Utah in 1847 BCE, 1847, or 2007.

    We're the real people that liberals so callously dismiss as Neanderthals, valuable only as fodder for raucous, disingenuous liberal propaganda.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal, living in Tooele doesn't make you any more real than the other 2.8 million of us. Nor do your science denialism or conspiracy theories.

    I and six generations of my ancestors have been real Utahns- real enough to care about the place, real enough that it matters to us when people trash the place and muck up its air. I look down from the peaks into our valleys filled with thick haze and smog and think how it would have pained my ancestors to see what people have made of their precious home.

    Your dismissal of others as fake because they care is the height of arrogance and irony.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    Re: "Does being a "real Utahn" mean . . . ."

    Real Utahns don't need to ask. And the rest will never understand.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Does being a "real Utahn" mean your opinions need to be approved by proc? If you fail the test do you get a one-way ticket to Nevada?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Re: "Ok.... so we are now off in a self made up world where mercury doesn't poison . . . . [blah, blah]."

    Just another illustration of classic disingenuous liberal misdirection.

    The original hit piece bleats, not a word about mercury, asbestos, or radiation. Rather, it leads with a clumsy attempt at connecting dairying with dying babies and cancerous adults.

    As real Utahns know, the truth is this -- no honest connection can or will be made between the catastrophic health issues cited in the "article' and the "pollution" issues it whines about.

    But, that is, of course, what mindless leftist greenies do best -- make up and disingenuously spin stuff to be alarmed about, with not the slightest validation by anything any thinking person would call science or evidence.

  • Sensible Scientist Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    So that's why Utah's health statistics are always near the top in the nation? That's why qualify of life in Utah is so high?

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

    You should think that Latter-Day Saints would be the biggest "Greenies" on the planet.
    Even our new Stake Center here in Farmington is "green" with a full array of Solar Panels.

    I know the prophets have told us so,
    What Talk Radio and Politicians say seems to take priority over what the Prophets say....

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 26, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    "Not a single asthma, cancer, coronary heart disease, diabetes, poor health status, infant mortality, low birth weight, or any other case or disease can be honestly linked to any purported pollution greenies incessantly whine about."

    Ok.... so we are now off in a self made up world where mercury doesn't poison, and Asbestos hasn't been found to be linked to cancer or mesothelioma. And radiation poisoning.... purely fictional in procuradorfiscal world. No linkage what so ever.... its all a UN scientific conspiracy to keep hard working people down.

    But hey.... I think procuradorfiscal proves out the point of the research. "Some" Utahans just don't care. They choose to burry their heads, and resort to name calling people names like "greenies". I just spent this week in Canada working with two pipelines.... and the people around the table with me... hardly greenies. But they also were very aware of the hazards that some of their processes possessed if not monitored correctly. They seem to get it...

    Next up from the doubt science crowd - head to head concussions don't case brain damage... and another other scientific myths.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal spokesman for polluters everywhere.

    If an article doesn't say God bless those who poison our land, sea, and air then its...
    disingenuous tree-hugger blather
    imaginary "toxic risks" greenies bleat
    greenies incessantly whine about
    sophomoric and intentionally misleading
    Big Green's so-called "health-trumping-jobs" socialist agenda.
    It's amazing this drivel is published.

    Can you not make a point without name calling in every sentence?

    Not a single asthma, cancer, coronary heart disease, diabetes, poor health status, infant mortality, low birth weight, or any other case or disease can be honestly linked to any purported pollution greenies incessantly whine about.

    Did you used to work for Big Tabacco?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 26, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    But just think how much money these companies bring into the state, and how much profit they are making.

    Doesn't that make it all ok?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Re: "Utah ranks No. 4 . . . ."

    Typically disingenuous tree-hugger blather. The truth is:

    "Discharge into ponds" means dairy operations that create impoundments to concentrate and reclaim valuable runoff for reuse as fertilizer.

    Whatever imaginary "toxic risks" greenies bleat about can't be measured by, let alone multiplied by some propaganda tool that somehow indexes "effects on the poor."

    Not a single asthma, cancer, coronary heart disease, diabetes, poor health status, infant mortality, low birth weight, or any other case or disease can be honestly linked to any purported pollution greenies incessantly whine about.

    And there are, of course, scores more sophomoric and intentionally misleading suggestions of imminent catastrophe in this one-sided "green" hit piece.

    Most predictably, there's not the slightest analysis of the horrific economic devastation we'd experience by implementing any of leftist Big Green's so-called "health-trumping-jobs" socialist agenda.

    It's amazing this drivel is published.

    It's not at all surprising, though, that real Utahns are not taken in by it.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    @ high school fan: So, because humans breathe we shouldn't try to address pollution? Humans die, should we not address murder? Humans walk fast, should we not have speed limits for cars?

    There are many things that are okay in limited quantities or in a certain form that are not okay in increased quantities or different forms. This does not mean we should be careless.

  • ingslc salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    "Jobs" is no excuse for pollution. First, industries that either pollute less or are dedicated to using the best pollution controls offer jobs just like other industries. Second, when industries are asked to clean up their act, the clean up and the upgrading of facilities generates jobs. We want jobs AND we want public health and our tourism needs a clean environment. "Jobs" is no excuse. Pornography creates jobs - do we want a big pornography industry in Utah? No. Gambling makes jobs too, do we want to be Las Vegas? No. Alcohol makes lots of money and jobs too, but we choose to very tightly regulate this industry for the public good. Big polluters may make money, but they don't belong in our inversion-prone valley any more than casinos do. Being fourth in the nation for pollution is a shameful thing, but the legislature and the governor want to pretend it is a badge of honor. The people shouldn't let them sell us out so cheaply. Jobs AND health! Not either or!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Yeah Utah, try harder. We can be the number one polluter, the above poster believes breathing harder causes more pollution therefore I'm sure more folks with asthma will mean less of that polluted breathing.

    Besides the EPA is an evil entity developed by Obama to destroy America by asking that we not pollute till the rivers catch fire, or there's a hole in the ozone. Lead and arsenic are just naturally occurring minerals that enhance my water.

    It's so arrogant to believe that man could destroy what God created.

    But seriously #4 and that's Cool?

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 3:32 a.m.

    Wow, aren't we lucky, an opinion from an environmentalist that one would expect that they would have. The writer jumps all over the place as though the included will validate their opinion. Unfortunately the author just plainly looks silly.
    If you don't want pollution then just ask for us all to die off because simply breathing adds pollution to the air but lucky for all of us God was smart enough to think of that and let Mother Nature fix all that for us.
    And quit throwing coal fired power plants into the mix every time you want to complain, Utah's plants have spent millions to be clean and they burn Utah coal, the cleanest there is. I live by five generating units and as best I can tell, we here all live pretty good lives and the air is clean.