Orrin Hatch blasts Mike Lee's strategy as filibuster begins

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  • Mickey Kovars Tampa, FL
    Sept. 28, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    Yes, General Pickett and his men were very brave. That does not mean that their charge was a good idea. The Republicans need a strategy to win, not to go down in flames.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    re: play by the rules evening of 9/25

    "Thank you senator Lee. Those of us who have common sense applaud you!"

    When did common sense change?

    re: one vote
    It was not a filibuster, it was a media show for the gullible.

    Agreed. “…in politics, what is real is not important. The important is what appears to be real to the gullible” – pg 339 The Cobra Frederick Forsyth

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    tp Mike Richards at 12:30 p.m. on Sept. 25,

    "Mike Lee stands for something, unlike Orrin Hatch."

    I was about to say Mike is a Lee supporter... how unsurprising.

    Then, a few posts later, O M M calls you out for supporting Uncle Orrin.

    Spin out of them that one if you can.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    re: one vote on 9/24

    Populist movements have a short shelf. I'm surprised the Tea party has lasted this long.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    At least Lee and Cruz are doing something for us...Hatch only thinks of himself and his standing amongst his fellow democrats. It's beyond me to comprehend how our country has become so weak and the answer to that concern is...Democrats. They are dangerous and only for themselves and that is what scares me. We have a President who is not what he pretends to be. The power of persuasion is strong in politics and the power of money and standing amongst their cohorts is very powerful. I don't know how we will win but I just continue to pray to the Lord for His help in this very sad situation.

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    I agee with Senator Hatch! Who I have great repect for!

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Why is the DN fueling the civil war in the GOP?

    Hatch's statement in the piece is subdued and reasonable (and correct in my opinion), but the headline that jumps out at you is "Orrin Hatch blasts Mike Lee." No, he made a statement in disagreement of Cruz's and Lee's approach -- which is perfectly fine.

    Republicans need to stop attacking one another. Disagreement is fine, but save attacks for the opposing party.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Sept. 27, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch is exactly what is wrong with Washington, career politicians. I was sick to my stomach when he was re elected. He cares nothing about us, afterall he is exempt from this. I love Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. Finally people who represent us people, not their own ideals. We don't want Obamacare and it's wrong to be forced on us.

  • CougarMeservy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Senator Hatch became conservative 2 years before the 2012 elections. I believed that he had truly changed. This has so far proved to be incorrect. More than once he has sided with his liberal buddies. He stated he would fight against OBAMACARE before his election. Where is the evidence he has done that? We need this fight to be more transparent so the American people can know the tricks being played to keep it alive. NO back room negotiations with Dirty HARRY.

    I was a pretty active proponent of Senator Hatch in the caucus meetings. I regret that decision. In an interview I watch he was ask about the congressional staff getting a subsidy for Obamacare because they were left out. His response was that they should get the same benefits as congressional people they work for. He was very elitist in his response. I don’t know why congress should be on a different plan than the American people. Especially if we are being herded like cattle to the single payor plan.

    SENATOR HATCH please help us to overturn OBAMACARE NOW. You promised that but I see no evidence of a promise being fulfilled.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Something to ponder: would Cruz and/or Lee do this if the bill belonged to Romney?

  • Mind to Mind St.Peters, MO
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Really ?!........Senator Cruz.........GREEN EGGS AND HAM ?!

    Really ?!

    Senator Cruz YOU have just GAVANIZED the Independent & Democratic voters AGAINST the Republican Party even more than they were BEFORE YOUR FILABUSTER SPEECH !!!

    Nice job of handing the next Presidential election.....AWAY FROM....your own Republican Party !

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 26, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    (R Short Sale on his house) Lee and Cruz (R Canadian) both voted for this bill in the end. Nice political theater and no real substance.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 26, 2013 2:58 a.m.

    Hello, I am going to assume that most people reading this are members of the church of Jesus Christ of the latter day saints -- so you are Christians.

    Hatch is intelligent, capable, and interested in what is best for Utah and right for America.
    The other guy represents the worst in modern politics; the notion that anyone who is an opponent in any way should be buried by whatever means, whether true and honest or not.

    The Affordable Care Act, according to all the studies, seems to benefit millions of Americans.
    In fact, it was a republican idea, which ought to have been passed 40 years ago.

    Rich hospital corporations, doctors, and pharmaceutical interests have spent many millions to make you think that universal health care is the work of socialist devils.

    If you believe in Christ, how can you not see that His children deserve health care.

    If you believe in fiscal responsibility, how can you not see that keeping folks from having to go bankrupt, or having to call 911 is good?

    The unfortunately hateful side of the republican party, including one Utah senator, does not care who they hurt.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 1:16 a.m.

    Utah got snookered when they re elected Hatch. He has been in DC way too long. Mike Lee is intelligent, articulate and right in step with the majority of Utah voters. Ted Cruz performed a great service to the everyday citizen by exposing Obamacare for the train wreck,partisan piece of legislation enacted without one republican vote in either the house or senate. The lies, horsetrading,bribes and fraud used to get the votes in the senate were done during the Christmas Holiday to avoid the scrutiny it deserved.It is hurting businesses in Utah right now as they try to understand it and how it affects their employees.

  • wasatchfrontman Murray, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Mike Lee is quite a guy. Willing to make the majority suffer for the good of the few. Interesting that, for such a smart guy, he hasn't presented us with a real, workable health care plan. Maybe he, like many other Americans, knows so little about the Affordable Health Care act that he has no idea how to improve it. So shut down the government. That will show them.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    It was not a filibuster, it was a media show for the gullible.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    Thank you senator Lee. Those of us who have common sense applaud you!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    21 and 1/2 hours,

    And not ONE new idea, solution, or alternative.


  • davidmpark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch is a progressive Republican, meaning he isn't fit to represent normal people. Time for him to retire to the east coast with the rest of 'em. Obamacare is doing horrible damage to our budget and my wife needs to be covered for her disabilities.

    I prefer to be free of him; regardless of his "clout" to save Hill AFB as his only method of re-election. I don't think it was really threatened after all.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    @Open Minded,

    If you want to "lean out" the DOD, turn in your resignation. Why should you fire others? Or, do you take satisfaction in giving out "pink slips"?


    Oh brother...here we go again.

    1. I don't fire anybody.

    2. I look over Engineering drawings from hundreds and thousands of DoD suppliers.
    When I find one raking the United States taxpayer $17,000 for a bolt, or $5,000 for a washer, I find someone else meeting the same rigid Engineering criteria that is also a certified DoD supplier and change the part number to order the cheaper one -- NOT the ridiculously expensive Corporate one.
    I'm authorized to do so.

    The $BILLIONS I witness daily being wasted would make even YOU cringe,
    and is one reason why I loathe the very Corporations you worship.

    Sell a weapon system -- and hide in the contract, the supplies required [goops, glues, paint, nuts, bolts, washers, wiring -- stuff from HomeDepot] these Corporations are silently gutting taxpayers -- until guys like me catch them at it.

    Makes the Mafia look like silly little chumps.
    That's how they play in the BIG league.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    Sign the petition and we can get rid of these ultra right(and left) wing candidates who are trying to ruin this great country.

  • Nayajja Ephraim, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    I have always supported Hatch, but today I received an email from him that is the best example of doublespeak I have ever read. If he is so anxious to kill Obamacare, why did he vote to remove the best leverage the Republicans have to kill it?

    His email:

    "Dear Friend:

    "The effort to defund Obamacare is at the forefront of the nation's attention as we fight to bring fiscal sanity back to an issue that will impact every single American. The Senate unanimously voted today to move forward with debate on the Continuing Resolution spending bill which funds all of government except Obamacare. As I said, the vote was unanimous: 100-0.

    "I applaud the House for passing a government funding bill last week to fund all of the government except for the President's disastrous health law. Defunding Obamacare is the right thing to do, and that's why I voted to proceed to the House-passed bill that defunds the law.

    "...The more Utahns and their fellow Americans learn about Obamacare the more they hate it, and by voting this way we move the ball forward in a way that impacts Obamacare the most...."

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    Think of the money we could save if the govt. was shut down.

  • homers Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Hatch is operating in the realm of reality while Lee is operating in the land of what he wishes reality was. If Cruz and Lee had succeeded, the government would end up in a shut-down. Poll after poll show that the Republicans would take a hit in the 2014 mid-term elections which would make it more difficult to change any portion of the health care law. Hatch knows what can and cannot be accomplished when you are a minority party in the Senate. If you read what he has said on the issue you will realize that he wants to dismantle Obamacare. He just understands that the Lee and Cruz approach doesn't have a good ending either in 2013, 2014 or in the Presidential election in 2016. Lets be real here - do you think Obama would sign any law that defunds his signature accomplishment and if he wouldn't sign it the Senate would need 67 votes to over-ride. At some point you have to say to yourself, "what can I do with this hand I've been dealt?' Lee has a pair of 3's and acts like he has a royal flush. The cards are not there.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    @Open Minded,

    If you want to "lean out" the DOD, turn in your resignation. Why should you fire others? Aren't their needs equal to yours? Don't their families count? Or, do you take satisfaction in giving out "pink slips"? Where's your compassion? I've never fired anyone in my life. When things got tough, we all worked together to rebuild the business. I took the same cut as those who worked with me.

    As to how I voted, were you in the booth with me? Not even my wife knows how I voted, nor would I ever ask her how she voted. It's none of my business and it's none of your business. It's called a "private ballot" for a reason.

    Just what do I have to do with AutoDesk or AutoCAD? Is that another incorrect assumption that you made?

    You and Hatch have a lot in common. Take that anyway that you want.

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Good for Orrin Hatch. Common sense has fled the Republican Tea Party. No, wait. It never had common sense. I was a Republican for most of my life, but this insanity and time-and- money-wasting tantrum throwing have driven me away.
    I find their behavior power-grabbing, self-serving, and completely out of touch with what is happening in this country. Especially Matheson.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    It's not surprising that you agree with Hatch.


    Ah, I didn't vote for him.
    You did.

    That's why it's so ironic and hypocritical of you to complain about him.

    BTW - the Defense of this nation IS in the Constitution.
    Read it yourself.

    Believe it or not - my job is to help "Lean" out the DoD, help it be more effective and more efficient.
    It's a HUGE job, but somebody's got to do it.

    Perhaps we can contact you for a Government contract regarding Autodesk AutoCAD?

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    As someone who voted for Senator Hatch many times....

    Is there a way to recall Senator Hatch? He certainly does not represent us any longer.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    When Mike Lee speaks, normal people react as they would in the presence of a flatulent house pet.

  • smitxxx Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    I am totally with Cruz and Mike Lee on this one. I have been ashamed of Hatch for some time. He is a man of limited intellect and talent who at least once had some principles, but he has since lost both his principles and his courage. How we needed someone other than Hatch to help in this fight! How in the world did we send him back to the Senate? I watched Cruz's filibuster for several hours. It was a tour de force. There is not another man of his guts, talent and principles in Washington, but Lee comes close. Lee's unmasking of the Supreme Court in the Obamacare opinion was the best I have heard.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:19 p.m.


    Hatch a conservative?

    Nothing of the sort.

    Hew is democrat from Pennsylvania, who came to Utah and pretends to be a Republican esoecially around election time and when it is safe to. Otherwise he is breaking his election promises. He is the definition of RINO.

    Has spent most of his career supporting democrats and their legislation, like ted kennedy, and never done thing with a single conservative republican.

    Hatch conservative? That's hilarious!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon,

    "Believe it or not, I agree with Orrin Hatch."


    It's not surprising that you agree with Hatch. You agree with Obama. You agree with Reid. You agree with Polosi. You agree that we should be forced to pay for someone else's medical bills. You agree that you should be paid to work in defense but that America should not be allowed to defend itself.

    It's not surprising that you believe in Hatch, not surprising at all.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Mr Hatch you and several of your buddies have been in the Washington circle to long, you forgot who you work for. I hope your all voted out, when the party you represent can even support those that were voted in to do the bidding of the people that's pretty bad. The only reason the Demos keep winning is because the republicans destroy each other. How about getting your heads out of the kool aid and sticking together, 10 and 11 people desiring to be president and then smash each other so badly that they are basically ruined so votes are so split or their not voted for. Wise up Repubs, but more than that lets get together on what your platform is. Just saying

  • vance SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    I would like to remind Senator Hatch that our Country still has "Freedom of Speech" and encourage fellow Congressmen to speak out, not by bullying them to silence.

    Why have we not been kept informed about all of our precious freedoms we have lost because no one has spoken out. Ex.Federal Reserve & IRS not Federal agencies, Thousands of Gov. agencies are un-Constitutional, Congress not deciding when we put our troops in harms way, securing our borders, proving our President IS QUALIFIED, allowing the monster NSA to be in our backyard using 1,700,000 of water a day in our DRY ARID State. Answers please.

  • Leo Femedlers El Paso, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Today I am ashamed that I voted for Orrin Hatch when he bacame a US Senator in UT. Obamacaare is already a mess and it hasn't even been implemented. Lost jobs, cut wages, higher ins premiums and overall costs. Not to mention I nor anyone else (except union, govt elite, and a select other few) have the option to not have health insurance under this law.

    I appreciate what Mike Lee and Ted Cruz have done to bring attention to the fact that the majority of Americans do not want this law.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Hatch is a Dinosaur that has outlived his usefulness. I just hope Utah will soon realize it. Senator Cruz makes me want to vote for a Republican President for the first time ever.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    You Utahns are free to criticize Lee. But keep off of Cruz. Ted Cruz has shown himself to be a true statesman, representing well the constituency that sent him to Washington.

    He is against big government. Period. Something we in Texas agree with. He does not participate in the taxpayer-funded health care congress is eligible for. He wants a balanced budget. He wants tax reform. He wants to cut federal spending and eliminate waste. He wants to repeal Obamacare and pass laws that actually have a chance of decreasing the cost of health care - Tort reform, more competition in insurance plans and prescription drugs.

    Obamacare has raised the cost of healthcare for every American, and killed thousands of jobs already, as well as making government MUCH bigger in the process, and giving ridiculous access to our personal information to government organizations we don't trust - most importantly the IRS.

    Ted Cruz? We need more principled men and women of integrity like Ted Cruz in Washington - people who remember that they work for US, not their political fame and personal fortune.

    So rail on Lee, but back off of Ted Cruz. Cruz is rocking the boat, and WE LIKE IT.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. Two peas in a pod without a clue. I love the green eggs and ham part of the hole morass because the moral of the story is you may hate something until you try it. Now I don't support Obamacare and i don't like it and it doesn't solve the problem of healthcare inflation but we have been told by democrats we will like it when we use it But we keep saying NO! These two irresponsible cowboys are doing more damage to the Republican image than anyone in the history of the party save nixon. The reality is totally opposite of their hypothesis and there doomsday approach will only ruin the parties ability to get in power and solve the problem. Time to vote them out and put in real conservatives who can solve problems without giving into crazy ideas and being so estreme.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah


    Believe it or not, I agree with Orrin Hatch.

    BTW - Thanks Mike, for voting for him.

  • lehiaggie Lehi, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Senator Lee doesn't seem to understand how to get things done in Washington. This type of grandstanding does nothing more than give the Republican party a black eye. There is a reason that the tea party movement has lost steam. Many of us don't respect their methods even though we may agree with their position.

    At the time of his election I was frustrated with how the Caucus system was taken over by a minority. Lee would have never made it running against Bennett.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Mike Lee stands for something, unlike Orrin Hatch. Didn't Hatch promise us that he would lead the fight to do away with ObamaCare? So, now that the fight is on, he runs and hides from his campaign promises. He said anything to get elected and now that he has been elected, he throws us under the bus. Thanks, Uncle Orrin - for nothing.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    @IMAPatriot2 – “we don't want to replace Obamacare with anything.”

    Thank you for your honest & guileless… refreshing these days. And I strongly suspect most conservatives would agree with you – why can’t more people just say what they think.

    So there you have it folks… conservatives simply want us to return to the dysfunctional and bankruptcy generating healthcare system we had, end of story.

    Keep in mind, this was a system that tens of millions of Americans had no access to (short of collapsing outside an Emergency Room) with millions more being priced out in the years ahead.

    This was a system where insurance companies held your life in their hands, and would often let their members fall through at their most desperate times.

    This was a system with costs rising at three times the rate of inflation due to producers having monopoly-type pricing power (for a number of irrefutable economic reasons).

    Obamacare is far from perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction.

    And there’s a reason why no developed country in the world has a purely free market healthcare system… they don’t work.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    With the behavior of Lee and his ilk, all this does is guarantee that Hillary Clinton will be our next President.
    Likely a two-term President.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Nice to see good and decent people in his own party distancing themselves from Lee.
    He is one term and gone, and thank heavens for that.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    its so funny that so many are aganist the healthcare bill and no nothing about it. doing nothing was not working. corporate health care is being done away with at a record rate. if a company needs more money for stock holders they go after labor first. or they ship jobs over seas. something both parties did to this country by making the tax laws the candy shop of the rich and corpoation. payroll insurance is drying up. this may be last stand of the working class to have a good life. our children already are facing housing that costs more than in history. colledge costs are making the lower middle class unable to go to colledge. we will soon only have 2 class system.

    Sept. 25, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    not here asked - "If the GOP gets the votes to block it, and to defund it, just what are they going to replace it with?"

    to "Not Here" from Colorado Springs, CO - Let me make this simple enough for you to understand, we don't want to replace Obamacare with anything. We don't want the Federal Government taking over health care and increasing our taxes to pay for their social engineering. I know this is a difficult concept for a socialist to grasp but I hope I have made it plain enough for even you to understand.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    I am very pleased with Mike Lee.

    I applaud his tax reduction initiative; finally someone wants to help responsible people to survive.

    I applaud his efforts to secure social security for current recipients who paid for it, and for those individuals of younger generations who desire it.

    I applaud his defence of the Constitution.

    Hatch on the other hand has always been, in my observation, a slippery character who you cannot rely on to support conservative measures.

    Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Jim DeMint, Jason Chaffetz, Senator Sessions, and a few score others who are less in the limelight, are the only ones worth anything in Congress; I place only a negative value on the others as congressmen.

    Ted Cruz stated that he is NOT in receipt of, though eligible for, the Cadillac congressional healthcare plan, for which plan taxpayers pay 72% of the costs.

    What hypocrisy for congressmen to force Obamacare on the nation and obtain exemptions for themselves. Truly they are referred to as "the princes of the people".

    I would not vote for such hypocrites.

    Let Congress vote for universal exemptions for all who desire it without fee or punishment.

  • kattawn ,
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    This almost-senior-citizen wants the new blood to get in there and smash the status quo! I support Senators Cruz and Lee!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    If Hatch is blasting another republican, you KNOW that guys if off his rocker.

  • PhotoSponge nampa, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch is a nice guy, but too much of a politician. What does he stand for? What is he committed to? At least we know what Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are committed to--WORKING for us!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Has there ever been a clearer demonstration of the tyranny of the minority?

    As someone recently said, the man who wanted to repeal Obamacare lost the last election.

    You either believe in democracy or you don't. The people have spoken... get over it.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Obama care is a train wreck coming down the track. Home Depot just informed it's employees that part timers will lose their health benefits with the company. Government employees get an exemption from it. Large companies have petitioned and get an exemption from it. The unions have applied for an exemption from it. Everybody that has clout in Washington is asking for exemptions from it. If it's so good why do these Obama supporters now want out of his health program? One thing is for sure. All of use without a Washington contact are about to find out.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    The affordable care act is bad legislation. It is pretty silly to need to go to these measures to make a point but those are the rules. The act should be shredded.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Cant wait for the vote. Don't care how sausage is made or laws only interested in who voted for what.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    When Mike Lee went in for the jugular vein of Senator Bennett he went in with teeth and scalpel. He said every bad thing about the Senator in the caucus with all his minions saying destructive things about the Senator. Senator Lee didn't want to wait for 2 more years to take on Senator Hatch who is more tenacious. He went after the diplomat Bennett who has a good demeanor but was surprised by the carpet being pulled by the Tea Party activists of Glenn Beck and the Freedom people who thought they could take down Senator Hatch. Senator Hatch had 2 years to prepare for the onslaught.

    Mike Lee has sat on the periphery for his time in the Senate. He has reached his half-way point when he will start his campaigning for Senator without a history of voting.

    The people in Utah were misled by this man and took advantage of the caucus system through devious ways, though legal, I am sure as he is an attorney and respectable. He is drawing his own line in the sand and Senator Hatch should chill out. He has been a Senator almost as long as Senator Lee has lived.

  • Basketballgirl75 Provo, , UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Lee is an embarrassment to Utah. This political grandstanding gets nothing accomplished and further polarizes the parties and their abilities to get anything meaningful done. I agree with Hatch on this one.

    Sept. 25, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    If I may ask all of you people on here that wants the GOP to defund (as you call it ) Obamacare. If the GOP gets the votes to block it, and to defund it, just what are they going to replace it with? Oh that's right they have never thought that far a head. They have only had one thing in mind and that is if Obama wants it: it has to be bad. Oh and if any of you can answer the question please post what it is. And thank you.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    In my not so humble opinion Mr. Hatch is way past his prime and is addicted to the power of the incumbency. I think he does not, nor ever has had a sense of what most of us live through as citizens. He and his other 99 senators live in a well insulated cocoon of privilege and plenty. Government subsidized cafeteria, barbershop, separate pension, exclusion from the Affordable Care Act, huge staff and travel perks, the list is long.

    I feel he is arrogant and imperial in his actions and at his age not really able to carry out the duties of a senator. He goes along to get along and has not earned my vote for several elections.

    To whit, I applaud the filibuster, I know it is a failed cause but at least someone is standing up for a principle.

  • Old Enough To Know Better WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    When I see Ted Cruz one word come to mind STATESMAN" this man has more fortitude then the rest of the senate combined. God bless you Mr. Cruz!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:52 a.m.

    Lee and Cruz are on a dangerous fool's errand. America is much worse off because of them. Utah, please don't re-elect Mike Lee.

  • rbgntx Kaufman, TX
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:45 a.m.

    According to other news reports, the drama queen statement by Senator Cruz to "speak until he can no longer stand", means until noon today. This is due to the terms of the agreement between Cruz and Sen. Reid prior to his taking the floor of the Senate.

  • CKJ1 Murray, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:37 a.m.

    Call it a day Orin, you have no fight left in you and you have basically become a Democrat voting for amnesty, going along with Obama on everything. What good are you to us? Lee is at least doing what he was sent to do. I will take him any day over you.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 5:04 a.m.

    It is politically correct in Utah to trash the President in tea party fashion. That creates the dilemma of supporting the Cruz and Lee show that will trash any hope of a political comeback.

    Sept. 25, 2013 5:01 a.m.

    And what has Orin done to prevent the current situation except collect all of the salary and benefits the congress has voted for themselves and exempted themselves from those laws and regulations they impose on us? Orin has done some good but his time has come and he needs to let someone else who really represents us to sit in that office.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 4:26 a.m.

    Shame on Hatch. He claims to want to rescind Obamacare but attacks Lee and refuses to vote to defund. He obviously is a GOP establishment member who lacks the will to take a principled stand. He is an example of a politician who has been there way too long and does not represent the majority of citizens who want to get rid of Obamacare.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 3:32 a.m.

    When Hatch ran for election he SAID he would do whatever he could to defeat Obamacare.

    He should've qualified that by saying "if its o.k. with my good friend Harry Reid"!

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 1:10 a.m.

    Principled filibuster?

    Ted Cruz simply loves to hear himself speak on any subject.

    Just ask him.

    He also has publicly dismissed veteran Republican Senators as being untrustworthy.

    It's no wonder hatch has gone public with his frustration.

    Watching the Republican circular firing squad in action is good for the soul.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    Just the opposite. I know the local media despises Mike Lee. But I actually think he's doing a fantastic job in efforts with Cruz and Paul to turn the nation's attention to our overbearing government.

    Though this paper's editors have no problem with our bloated government and oppressive taxation and loss of freedom and liberty, Mike Lee and a few others are waking the nation up. I'm grateful to them. And I'm also grateful that Hatch has recently exposed himself as a part of the problem...a Republican who just wants to get along.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:40 a.m.

    I just watched the last half hour of Mike Lee's principled and articulate dismantling of Obamacare as a function of constitutional law and established jurisprudence. It was superb! It reminded me of the words of an old family friend, his father, and former solicitor general, Rex Lee. Next time we get a Republican in the White House, Mike Lee needs to be appointed to the Supreme Court.

    Orrin Hatch? He needs to retire or be recalled and the sheeple that put him there need to be educated on their straying ways.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:37 a.m.

    Would we have ever thought that the GOP would be eating it's own?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:23 a.m.

    @the truth
    Extreme left? Hah, he's a conservative. He's just pragmatic and thinks a legislators job should be to legislate. I respect him, but I wouldn't vote for him because I don't agree with him on much.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    Sen. Hatch long ago sold his soul as a Washington DC insider politician. The irony is that back when he was a new Senator he probably would have had the actual character and principle to do something similar to what Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz are doing now.

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 25, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    I just wished that we could get rid of every single one of them back there in Washington and start all over. Get people in there and love this Country and want to serve. Not those who love power or who are corrupt. We need good leadership that's all there is to it. This is what we are lacking back there.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    When Orrin Hatch is liberal, you are an extreme right winger.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch once again proves how liberal and out of touch he is.

    Is he really representing the State of Utah? or the extreme left old guard of the republican party?

    All you have do is look who supporting Hatch in these comments. Truth is self evident.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    The government shuts down every Friday night, and on long holiday weekends. Doesn't hurt my life style at all. Not sure what the big deal is.

    Anyway, I like seeing Harry Reid in pout mode. Let them shut it down. What a bunch of clown losers.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    Thanks Sen. Hatch. Now if a Democrat will stand up and say let's compromise, something positive may happen. Sen. Lee is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    Hatch is bound and determined to leave Washington in the good graces of the entrenched power brokers. After all, he can come back as a lobbyist in a couple of years. No point in upsetting future clients and people who can do him some good.
    Now is the time to learn whether these RINOs will make good on their campaign promises to stop Obamacare. If they let things ride they can say they voted to block the ACA. The truth is that they can vote for the House version, knowing full well 51 votes in the Senate will kill it.
    It's not that hard to understand that Orrin doesn't want to make waves. He represents the Good Old boys in the GOP, not the will of the people of Utah.

  • bdckpakccd Plano, TX
    Sept. 24, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    I support Lee and Cruz wholeheartedly. I don't agree with the "we can't win so we're going to roll over" mentality. You never know how much courage you give to others when you speak up for what you believe to be right. Affordable care for America is wrong---in my opinion. This is a right given to the states, not the feds. The closer to the problem, the more effective the solution, and the federal government has proven time and time again that they are almost never and effective solution. Let the states do as they will, but constitutionally it doesn't belong at the federal level. I say kill Obamacare any way you can. But even if you can't win, go down fighting!

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    Keep at it Lee! Keep at it Cruz! What is shameful is that there are only two senators willing to stand up (literally!) to socialism and more government takeover.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    It is good to hear that one of Utah's U.S. Senator's has some good judgment, when it comes to the budget.

    I am not a fan of ObamaCare. ObamaCare needs to go. It is totally the wrong approach to affordable medical care for the American people.

    But this is not the time to pick this fight. It is futile. There will not be enough votes in the Senate, and even if there were, Obama has promised to veto the bill. There is no way that even the House has enough votes to override a veto, let alone the Senate. So, all Senators Lee and Cruz are going to accomplish, is waste valuable time. Time that is needed to reach a reasonable compromise on a budget.

    Come on, Senator Lee. Grow a backbone, stand up to the right wing extremist Tea Party people, and do something that is good for America, instead of watching out for your re-election.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    orin hatch lies when he says that the government will be shutdown if obamacare is defunded. That is not at all what the House bill does and it passed the House easily. Senators Lee & Cruz have been fighting and saying the same thing the house has said yet orin has no other plan but to fall in line with destroyers of a Nation.

    obama himself defunded the aca for all the special people but left the average american to suffer the costs of the worst act since the federal reserve act of 1913.

    orin has no guts and is devoid of honor.

    Hooray for patriots who will stand against tyranny in the face of those who should be friends but are deserters.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Senator Lee is clueless and completely ineffective in Washington. His presence in DC is a direct result of the Tea Party capturing the state caucus system a few years ago. No one dislikes Obamacare more than I do, but Lee's approach is a waste of time and nothing more than political grandstanding.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Alright, the tea party is listing. A few more of these comments and the tea party will be sunk.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    'Love it when the Republicans turn on each other.