BYU is still the superior team for more than four years in a row. At least
twelve years for sure....I wonder if cougar fans realize how
pathetic they sound when they try to spiin the fact they consistently lose to
Utah.Arrogance really does mess with people's ability to
@CougarOnTheProwlRight now we are 3-1 and you are 2-2. Better hope
Texas and Virginia are the real deal. @frugalflyYou
live in Provo because if the PAC-12 South is as weak you claim PAC-12 overall
wouldn't be the 2nd best conference behind SEC.@ThomasJefferson"During the course of a season you will loss a
game you should have won (Virgina) and you will win a game you should have lost
(Texas) and the remainder of the season will play out as it should..."
7-5.Good luck teaching Hill to throw. If you can then you might be
able to save your season.
CougarontheprowlWe are all well aware of BYU fans stance that the
Utah game has no meaning, or bearing on how good the two teams are. I realize
thats about the only fall back position you have when your team loses to
it's rival over, and over, and over, and over again. Whether Utah wins by
7, or 44, the BYU fan M.O. remains the same. Man up, and give credit to Utah;
truely the better team!
Utah was 7 points better last Saturday, congrats on winning but the season
isn't one game. We will see where both these teams are at the end of the
season and then we will see who really is the better team. The better measuring
stick is an entire season or entire body of work. One game early in the season
where you basically made one or two more plays then your opponent doesn't
really prove your the better team overall. Right now Utah is 7 points better
then BYU but what if by seasons end BYU has improved a lot and Utah just levels
off or regresses? This is why you wait until the final results then the picture
will be clear as to who the better team really is.
Thomas Jefferson, I like your well thought out posts. A BYU fan
predicting Utah to go 4-8 is nothing new.But at this point, your
prediction of BYU finishing 9-3 is pretty bold.That means
they'll have win 8 of their next 9. Look, it's possible, but I
wouldn't predict that to happen no matter how blue-colored my glasses were.
That's like filling out your March Madness bracket and putting BYU in the
Final Four. Pretty darn tough.Particularly when you see how they played on the
road at Virginia and how they looked against a motivated rival in Utah.Why do I bring that up?BYU must still play at Utah State,
Wisconsin, and Notre Dame. Teams that are felt to be better than Virginia.I'll give you MTSU, Idaho State, and Nevada. But that only brings
BYU to four wins. To make it to seven, they'd have to beat Georgia Tech AND
Boise St. at home and beat a Houston team on the road.Then
they'd have to win 2 of the aforementioned ND, UW, or USU games. Again
pretty darn hard.Cheers.
CougFaninTx,You are right to bring up other sports besides football.
When the team you always predict to win succumbs, yet again, to the Utes,
it's nice to deflect the pain. But you conveniently left out a
few sports:Women's gymnastics. Despite BYU having a pretty
decent program they just have no chance against Red Rocks. Skiing.
It's nearly as fringe as rugby.Hockey. The reining PAC-8 champions
just rocked BYU this past weekend, 6-2. Of course, you didn't notice
because you were busy watching more popular sports like Men's indoor
volleyball.Yeah, the NIT is great. In fact, fans of Utah's
women's basketball saw them advance to the WNIT championship this past
year.Also, Utah's men's bball is back on it's way
up...wouldn't surprise me if this was the year BYU sees its steak end. Look, BYU is a good choice of school for people like you, no question,
but it's not the perfect fit for everyone. Ask Spencer Hadley. So, enjoy the men's volleyball match-up on byuTV. I prefer to wait until
its over to watch Studio C.
Carson,You are commenting on a BYU article in a Pro-BYU newspaper and you
tell us to go away? That is just to funny!!!
Christopher B,I find it funny that with everything going Utah's way
you still feel the need to read and comment on every BYU article, usually the
very first one to comment in fact!!! Good luck in your Big Boy conference the
rest of the season, 0-1 this year and 7-13 over all so far!!!Go
Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!Go Aggies except against BYU!!!
79Ute: "The Hunger Games Bowl" Very funny! I like it. I will be
hoping for the Hunger Games here on out.I really hope we get a
second chance at U this year. It could be the medicine I need to get out of the
depression of 4 straight losses. Though if we lose again...GO
COUGS!!!I'm still Blue too
@spokaloo Congrats...you squeaked by a mediocre BYU in the last two years
by 10 points total.------------Squeaked by? Utah
hasn't trailed in 8 straight quarters. We're also 4-0, so Utah has
outscored BYU by a total of 55 points.* Our mediocre team, with an
injured QB, needed 5 minutes of good play to beat BYU (2010)* Our average
team beat BYU by 44 points (2011)* Even our worst team in 9 years was able
to beat BYU (2012)
Utah is a good team... when playing BYU. I've always said that if Utah
could play every game like it plays BYU it would have 2-4 more wins per season.
I live in PAC 12 country. I have PAC 12 north fans all around me and trust me,
Utah is considered a decent team and not a good team or even a top tier PAC 12
team. In fact they moan that the south is weakening and hurting the conference
at large. Arizona teams have been absent for over a decade. UCLA been absent
for over a decade. USC is the only team revered in the south and they are on
their way down. If I were in the PAC 12, I wouldn't want to face Oregon,
Stanford every year. Utah is a very blessed program to be invited by the PAC
12. But they are considered equivalent to Arizona schools and one step up from
WSU,Colorado...after football, they add very little to the conference and in
most cases detract from the conference. I accept that they have about 20 years
of taking 2 for every one that the Cougs get. True blue through and through!
I'd enjoy seeing the U and Y in the same bowl game. Both teams will have
mediocre seasons from here on out - mark it down, Chris B. We could
win three of the following games if we play well, but I don't see more:UCLA (because we're at home, but unlikely)U of A (at Tucson
and they're 3-0, so unlikely)USC (if they don't play like they
did against WSU, but this is one we need, so a toss up), ASU (if they play
like last week, but they've got the same hold over us that we have over the
Y so a toss up)WSU (if they don't play like they did at USC, but this
is a game we need to win) CU (another loss to the Buffaloes would really
hurt and we're at home, so I'll predict a win). We lose
two more against Stanford and Oregon.Realistically, we finish at
6-6. That could put us in the Hunger Games with BYU.
The fact that I see Utah fans using the beating of BYU as a validation that they
are a "good team" shows that Utah still has an inferiority complex. If
my team had beaten another team 9 of 12 (regardless of the fact that 9 of those
games basically came down to the last play), was in a BCS conference (no such
designation after this year), and my team was so superior, I wouldn't
waste a second commenting on their articles. I just don't get it...Utah
fans have earned the right to let it go when Cougar fans talk trash. Yet for
some strange reason the comments here come across as a need to justify. I just
don't get it. My only guess is that's all Utah fan can hang their hat
on. Because since backing into the pac-12, they have done nothing else. BYU
right now is not a good team. They haven't been for 3 years.
Congrats...you squeaked by a mediocre BYU in the last two years by 10 points
Let me get this straight. If Utah is 7 points better tha BYU, and if they
switched schedules, then it gets very interesting. BYU would have lost by 3 to
USU ( Utah won by 4), beaten Weber St., lost to OSU and would now be 1-3 and
staring into the teeth of a difficult PAC-12 schedule. I wonder how that would
turn out? Utah would have beaten Virginia by 4 ( same reasoning), beaten Texas,
and be 3-0 facing the remainder of BYU's schedule. I'm thinking 9-3 or
better would be a real possibility. Food for thought.
Marked it Down:"the rest of the country barely noticed your one
touchdown win over BYU"You mean besides the PAC-12 and Athlon
Sports? Travis Wilson was named offensive player of the week by the PAC-12, the
football conference second only to the SEC. Oh, and Athlon Sports named Wilson
offensive player of the country for the win. But what do they know, right? Not
only did he get national play for his field work, he also got national play for
the class and respect he showed toward byU and it's team after the game.
Now if only all QBs could be that classy!!Sorry to prove you so
blatantly wrong. But don't feel too bad - I have seen some stories about
how byU is the worst passing team in the country. I also saw byU get a LOT of
national publicity from the game - for the unruly, disgusting behavior of the
fans towards the officials. But like they say, no publicity is bad publicity,
right?I'm grateful every day that I'm a Ute!!Onward and Upward!!
CougFaninTX:"From someone who attended the school up North for
two years, and transferred to BYU; there is no comparison from an overall
standpoint."Glad that is the case in your mind. But what is in
your mind can only speak for you. I grew up in a byU fanatical family. I have
been on byU campus countless times. I have dated byU co-eds, and was even
married to a byU grad. In my mind, the U is the far superior place to go to
school and to prepare you for reality. But that is me and I don't pretend
to think that all people should feel the same way. You make what you want to
make out of every situation in life. That is why good LDS people like Whitt,
Keio Vaenuku, Jake Murphy, etc., have chosen Utah. Much to the chagrin of many
byU fans, including my mother, you don't HAVE to go down south to get a
great education and grow spiritually.That is why President Monson
still sings "Utah Man", and why President Uchtdorf attends the Utah
games on the sideline with coach Whitt - including the BYU game.Go
@Marked it DownWhat happened with your BYU-Utah prediction? You kept
saying, "BYU wins, mark it down". I marked it down, then erased it.
Enjoy jumping on other teams band wagon, and playing connect the dots with some
crazy computer raning. BYU LOST: Mark that down with a red sharpie! That's
Riddles in the Dark:"BYU will once again finish the season
with" Idaho StateGo Utes!!Onward and Upward!!I love how the comments on all these stories turn out to be a scrum
between Chris B and the trollers!
Eastcoastcoug...Love the classy comments. Thank you!That's how it should be.
Geez, Cougar fans. Give it a rest on the rankings and what we did 30 years ago.
That is SO irrelevant to now. We stink! Utah is in a better conference. They
don't win but neither would we ...so what??Let's focus on
how we get our team back in contention. Money and fans in seats builds programs.
Quit trashing Bronco unless you've got a best friend that can coach better.
He's all we've got. Join Cougar Club and build up the program.Get your nephews and kids to go play at the Y. It's pathetic that
names like Sitake, Heimuli, Murphy et al are playing for that apostate school in
Salt Lake. Why would any LDS kid go to a commuter school in another state?
afi1Does your loyalty have anything to do with the fact that your
tax dollars go to the U?
@Marked it DownYou can always tell a kitty lover, they live by
rankings. Who cares? Can't wait until the ind of season boasting
about we are awesome because we won 'n' number of games and so and so
says we are a pretty good football team. 'I must be a good singer, my mom
says so', repeated by how many Idol contestants?
Does the writers loyalty have anything to do with the fact that his tithing goes
CBS Sports latest College Football Rankings#42 Virginia#43
Oregon St#44 Utah#45 BYU#47 Texas#57 Utah StDespite the crimson-colored fantasies of the kids on the hill, the rest of the
country barely noticed your one touchdown win over BYU.It is
interesting that that "awful" team that BYU lost to on the road, is
ranked ahead of Utah.The whiny spinning from the hill should be fun.
Well said, Davison!Win or lose, BYU always be my school and always
be my team. The bombardment of anti-BYU comments on EVERY article written about
BYU make me smile. What the ute fans fail to realize is that unlike the
bandwagon phenomenon brought about by one Urban Meyer, BYU fans are fans for
very distinct reasons, "winning football games" being one of many and
not even the greatest. If that were the case, then we would be cheering for
utah for the past 4 years. No, they fail to realize that all of the
breath wasted on their abusive insults and acidic comments will never
"convince" BYU fans to change colors. In fact, the hatred tends to make
us stronger. They fail to realize that our fandom is just as much about
supporting the core values of the institution and all it stands for as it is
about winning the Deseret Dual. It's about far more than a great education
or conference affiliation. Teams cycle thru wins and losses, but Cougar fans
remain loyal, strong and true. Flame on, utes! Go Cougs!
"*shrugs* Utah cares more about gymnastics than basketball anyway so you can
just hand it back January 11th."*shrugs* BYU cares more about
men's and women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, cross-country,
indoor and outdoor track & field, baseball, softball, and men's rugby,
than about Utah's one only nationally competitive sport, women's
gymnastics.yeah, we know about coed skiing, but since there are only
two power conference schools, and only four FBS schools total that compete in
coed skiing, NOBODY except the Utes cares about a sport that's so
inconsequential that it's dominated by the Denver Pioneers.
RBNI love it when Utah fans look down their noses at the lowly,
Independent Cougars and then have to rely on beating BYU as their only quality
wins since joining the PAC.When BYU was dominating the Utes in the
70s and 80s, BYU was dominating the Utes across the board in overall records,
conference championships, national rankings, national awards, and
head-to-head.The Utes have NEVER dominated the Cougars across the
board, EVER!The Utes weren't even good enough to crack the AP
Top 25 until 1994. Bronco has managed to do that four times since 2006.During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has won more conference championships, had
more Top 25 finishes, and finished with more 10+ win seasons than the Utes.What part of finishing with a worse record and lower ranking do you not
The Utah fan conundrum: How to brag incessantly about beating BYU while
pretending that beating BYU is meaningless?Guaranteed, there will be
far more comments from Utah fans about BYU and the BYU-Utah State game next
week, than there will be about the Utah-UCLA game. Everything said about the
UCLA game will be in the context of how it relates to BYU.
I like it when BYU fans say that Utah doesn't have any quality wins. Those
fans must have a really dim view of BYU.Talkingsports, what part of
losing don't you understand? When you lose 9 of 12 to a team, you are the
inferior team. I admitted it in the 70s and 80s when BYU was trashing the Utes.
The tables have turned.
Hey, I'm one Cougar fan who admits his team stinks and you guys are better.
Our QB is dead last in the USA in efficiency and can't hit Y mountain with
a short pass. But do us a favor Ute fans...really.. Move...ON...Stop
worrying about "little brother" (I could care less what my little
brothers do) and go on and conquer the PAC 12. Make us proud. Give us indirect
bragging rights that at least the team that beats us every year also is top tier
team in their conference. Go to the Rose Bowl once in a while. Play
a full schedule of quality teams like you have and win. Beating Alabama was
great, but you did it from the MWC. I won't cheer for you but I think you
guys deserve to win and want to see you really do it, rather than just have old
BYU to talk about. Go (away) UTES!!!
@The Moose"We will have a better record than you. "I
doubt it. At the moment I think BYU is probably going to go 7-5 while Utah goes
6-6. Utah's schedule is just harder than BYUs. @CougFaninTX"Who says we have to wait until 2016 to avenge the loss? BYU will prove
their superiority on December 14 in the Huntsman Center. "*shrugs* Utah cares more about gymnastics than basketball anyway so you can
just hand it back January 11th. There is one amusing scenario. If
Utah finishes 6th in the PAC-12 (not implausible though they probably have to
beat Wazzu, Colorado, and two of Arizona, Arizona State, and UCLA to get there)
they might end up facing BYU in a bowl game.
CarsonIt wasn't BYU fans who claimed that they were moving on
way back in 2010, only to be here, still trolling BYU blogs, more than 3 years
later.U haven't proven anything except for how to be PAC 12
losers. The Utah men, which U sing to proudly about, haven't finished out
of the PAC basement in ANY PAC 12 sport. The truth is, BYU would be
far more competitive across the board in the PAC 12 than the Utes have been.
(okay... let's try this again...)@PACman, Christy B, and
talkinsportsIn arguing against Chris, surely you all could do better
than just calling him Christy or a little sister. Like, is that supposed to be
an insult and if it is... aren't you insulting all women as well?
Good for Davison Cheney! Wouldn't expect anything more or less!Good luck to the Cougars for the rest of this year and the next two years.
Despite all the shananigans that go with it, I will genuinely miss
the rivalry game the next two years. I say that without the slightest hint of
sarcasm. I would rather see the Utes play BYU the next two seasons than
Michigan, even with the home-and-home arrangement involving the Big House, and I
would much rather see the Utes play BYU than Fresno State. Thankfully, the teams will get back together in a couple of years--and maybe
indefinitely after that. Also, we can hope for a bowl game match-up during one
of the two years of the break.The bad stuff that relates to the
rivalry involves about 2% of the fans; the good stuff about 98% in my
estimation.Long live the rivalry! And great fans like the author of
the article above.
Who says we have to wait until 2016 to avenge the loss? BYU will prove their
superiority on December 14 in the Huntsman Center. Yes, the
football loss was painful, and losing four in a row is agonizing; but
there's more to life than football - there's basketball, volleyball,
rugby, soccer and the list goes on.I know some who think that
football is the only sport (and if you're at Utah, maybe it is), but I
loved watching BYU win the NC in rugby, and compete for the NC in men's
volleyball, and I even watched the women make an incredible run in soccer last
year, and who didn't enjoy watching Davies, Haws and Carlino play in MSG on
their NIT journey.I'm not trying to deflect the football
losses, but there other sports, there's academics, there's social.
From someone who attended the school up North for two years, and
transferred to BYU; there is no comparison from an overall standpoint.
Still a coug fan here :)
Funny comments from BYU backers. We will have a better record than you. We
will have a higher ranking than you. My favorite, I'm taking my kid to see
this week's game because we have a chance of winning. LOL. I'd love
to take my kid to UCLA game not because we might win, but because it is UCLA.
WOW. Problem is, no tickets available unless you want to pay twice the printed
Byu is still the best team. That was obvious Saturday night. Tons more yards and
blue zones proof it.
We own byu but their "fans" are right when they remind us that we
haven't proven anything yet in the PAC12. Go Utes! Do it!Chris,
why do you have to inflame them? They know who their daddy is. It's
you're comments that make them go hide behind the rest of the PAC12 and
snipe at us.
christyA worse record is a worse record.A lower ranking
is a lower ranking.Despite all of your talk, you're still
nothing but a PAC 12 bottom dweller without a single signature win in 19
conference games...and counting.
Davison CheneyThanks for summing up my feeling, the loss hurts, but
I am still a fan and plan this weekend to take my son to his first BYU games.
And yes ChrisB. I am taking to this games so my son first BYU is a win, hate to
have taken him to last weeks game. I do have some hope that BYU will go to
a bowl as will Utah and maybe play each other again so the sr class can have one
last chance. By then Hill might be able to throw the ball and someone besides
hoffmen and thompson will catch it. Apo better step up soon or his footdays are
numbered. I also beleive that BYUs best football days are ahead of us if
we as fan can keep our cool and allow Hill and the rest of the O to get better
and gain some expereince.
Chris B (and whatever other name he chooses as his name of the day),As usual, I can see based on your comments that the BYU game and rivalry mean
more to you than you care to admit. Why else would you spend so much time in
worrying about the number of stars that some of your players have and in
comparing the two programs? The Utes played a good game and deserved to win.
They didn't dominate, but they won. It doesn't necessarily mean they
are the better team, but they had a better game. The rest of the season will
determine what kind of team each program has for the year. Texas A&M beat
your beloved Alabama last year, but Alabama ended up national champs.Best of luck to both teams for the rest of the year (despite some of the
Christopher BSince Utah is the BIG brother why dont you go play with
you cool friends in the pac 12 and leave the little brother alone, while the
little bother plays with his friend on ESPN. If your team is so much better then
BYU then move on to the other rivils in the pac 12. If you got to comment on
very game that little bother is playing, saying how great Utah is, that just
shows how little you think of your team.
BYU fans need not worry about what we do or don't in the Pac 12. Until you
can beat us, You should worry about fixing your own program. We don't need
to prove anything to BYU, Our talking has been done on the field. The Y is so
jealous of our Pac 12 membership, and it's just killing you, to realize
that the 80's and 90's are long gone, and not coming back any time
soon! We don't play again for two years so don't call us, just go
away.Ute fans thank you, for your tears are Delicious!
6 of 13 comments by one BYU-hating hill troll - can U say "obsessed"?Utah wins the battle, loses the war. BYU will once again
finish the season with a better record and higher ranking than U.
Scott FarcusCongratulations on getting paid a lot of money to be a
punching bag.---------------christyRemind us
which team went bowling in 2012, and which team spent the holidays playing couch
potato.Remind us which team ended the 2011 season ranked in the Top
25, and which team didn't receive a single vote in either poll.We realize that BYU is the standard by which U judge Utah's success, but
one game does not a season make.
Uteanymous,A win is a win. A loss is a loss.The better
team beat the worse team.Just like last year(14 missed field goals,
hurts doesn't it?)And the year before(54-10, hurts doesn't
it?)And the year before(burton block, hurts doesn't it?)Utah is a good team.Byu is not.
@ Mick"Don't you all brag about your PAC 12 membership? Well try
and do something with it. You are a member of the " mighty PAC 12" but
all you can brag about over the last 4 years is beating byu. Sad."Not necessarily we also brag a lot about the PAC-12 MONEY also!A LOT of
RBNUtah only beat BYU by a touchdown, and, as has been the case in
14 of the last 17 contests, the game wasn't decided until the last play of
the game.Bottom line, regardless of how you want to characterize it,
a good team beating another good team, or a bad team beating another bad team,
the two teams are very evenly matched.
Pac Man,Since you can't beat us you have to point to teams who
do?LOLJust remember, however "bad" we are,
you're worse!Start talking trash when you can beat us.
I love the "we're lousy, so you must be lousy" post-game coping
device. You do understand that is trying to make someone as miserable as you
are, right? Who else acts like that? Hmmmm.
Despite the frantic and emotional chest-beating by my little sister, our sorry
team will once again spend bowl week watching from the comfort of our couch.
To the above comments-Don't you all brag about your PAC 12
membership? Well try and do something with it. You are a member of the "
mighty PAC 12" but all you can brag about over the last 4 years is beating
byu. Sad. Both you and your coaches should concentrate more on your PAC
12 rivals. It is not going to save kyle's job anymore just to beat byu.
Prove to us that you can win at least 2 PAC 12 games this year. The sad
sad fact is that there isn't any good football being played in Utah this
year and you have just won the " bowl of below average."
christyWhere are all of the Utah fans who, after the Alabama game,
claimed that the Utes could compete with anybody, and who, immediately after
Utah's invitation to the PAC, claimed that Utah would soon be winning PAC
championships and playing in the Rose Bowl?Now all we hear are whiny
excuses about how tough the PAC is and how it will take years, perhaps decades,
for the Utes to recruit enough talent to be competitive in a big boy
conference.The truth is, you're all talk, but no walk.Call us the first time you beat a PAC team with a winning record.
Where are all the byu fans that told me byu was going to win?
1-2 start.Your quest ended in Virgnia, hours after it startedYour Heisman caliber QB has the worst passer rating in the entire
nationYou lost to your rival for the fourth time in a rowVan Noy, Hoffman, Riley Nelson, Taysom Hill, and so many others will NEVER
know what it feels like to beat their rivalsMore head to head
recruits have picked UTAH Every year since our Pac 12 invite, which shows your
recruiting stronghold among Mormons and strong byu families is long gone!In the last 4 years you have one(Utah state) win against end of year top
25 teams?The Big 12 hasn't called. And bronco
still thinks he's building a national title program!LOL!
Well said. I like your attitude.
Of all recruits who have had offers from byu and Utah the last 4 years, more
have picked Utah each year.The great majority have listed our Pac 12
membership as a big reason for picking Utah.That does not bode well
for byu.Utah from here on out will ALWAYS be part of the Pac 12.
byu will not.If bronco can't even get most of the Mormon kids
he wants(as he hasn't last 4 years as they've picked UTAH), byu is in
trouble.And I love it!
Here is the reality that byu fans try to avoid:Your players are not
very good.Yes, a couple are good. But it takes more than a couple
good players to be a good team. It takes dozens of them.Guess who
won the head to head AND average star recruiting war between Utah and byu the
last 4 years?UtahUtahUtahUtahGuess who
won on the field the last 4 years?Utah UtahUtahUtahCoincidence? No.Bronco thinks he can take a team
of mostly one and two star nobodies and talk to them about execution and spirit
and honor and somehow they'll turn into national title contenders.His many years at byu prove that strategy isn't working.Nick
Saban wouldn't be winning titles with byu's "athletes"