The little guys saved St George from another developers blight such as the
Cottonwood Mall etc.
RG Buena Vista, VAGovt is inefficient, wasteful, and not very kind to
individuals. This is the same govt. that wants to take over our health care.
Watch out. our health care which is by every measure worse then all
countries with national health care.Anyway, if people stopped trying
to wipe every species of animal to extinction, then maybe the feds wouldnt be
forced to pass endangered protection laws. A few people shouldnt be allowed to
ruin this planet for the rest of us.
The Canadian Lynx has a similar story. They live for the most part north of the
49th parallel, only venturing very far south during times of famine. Their
primary food source, the snowshoe rabbit, rises and falls on a 10 year cycle and
so does the lynx population. They will venture south when forced to subsist on
other small game but they do not like it, seldom breed, and return as soon as
they can.Our government was so eager to establish residency for
these transients that when they set up scratching posts to verify the presence
in Washington and Oregon of these nocturnal felines, they got caught falsifying
the record with lynx fur they had collected from captive lynx in a zoo.Across the border in Canada they are plentiful and in no real danger. Only we
call them endangered and try to force them to live on a reservation in Colorado.
jingoist joe is right on with his comments. Many the STG folks had tortoises as
pets growing up. They acquired them from the desert between Littlefield AZ and
SoCal while they were going to and from Disneyland. When they became tired of
these pets, they took them to the red hill area above STG. In 1990 they noticed
some of these tortoises had a respiratory problem and soon it was determined
they were "endangered" Land was acquired, rules set in place, money was
allocated, and so on. All for a creature that is probably not indigenous to
this area. It has been a classic government fiasco watching this all go down and
be put in place. Sometimes it's just sickening to watch big government in
action and see the people that it adversely affects.
A non native species such as the desert tortoise should not be protected. The
Endangered Species Act is to protect species, that are indigenous to areas, that
are threatened. As a child my Father and his friends, 1930's and 40's,
all had "turtles" as pets in St.George. These were brought to town from
the West side of Utah hill, Nevada, by their cattlemen Fathers. Once the family
tired of the pet they were turned lose into the surrounding foothills and from
these pets sprouted the local tortoise population. It appears that the tortoises
are invasive and under the law they should be eradicated. A non native species
that has been illegally introduced into new habitat is unacceptable. If this is
not so then why the big concern over the invasive mussels in our lakes? The
Burbot in Flaming Gorge? And many more. According to the "old timers"
there were no native tortoises in Washington County.
If the desert tortoise is really worth all that protection. Then the land it is
supposedly inhabiting should be paid for at market by the government. Strange
that you don't see any environmental organizations stepping up to the plate
to help compensate this man and prove the value of the tortoise. SUWA chooses to
spend it's money every night during the news hour with warm fuzzy
commercials instead of putting that money on the ground.The other
interesting fact about the fish & wildlife service is that since they put
the tortoise on the endangered list have been removing cattle, limiting access
and activities in the desert and still the numbers are either unchanged or in
decline.Maybe we should think about humans first and real
conservation measures for the tortoise rather than just kicking everybody off
Every time one blames others, does not take responsibility for their role in
what happens, they make of themselves more of a cypher -acted upon rather than
acting. Everytime that is done, the blamer digs themselves into an increasingly
deepening hole. In this case, a speculator's hope for riches didn't
"Then along came the desert tortoise..."Man, I hate when a
native species "comes along" and ruins a single human's ability to
make a lot of money by putting a non-essential, entertainment-focused,
water-wasting golf course in the middle of the desert. Some animals can be so
All species have a right to exist. This world is not for man alone.
Those dang money-grubbing tortoises.
Diversification, that's the word of the day. We are best served
when we diversify our investments. We also are a stronger society when we have
diversification not only with different types of people but with our
environment. While I feel bad for Jim and his loss of land and
money, he may have been better served if he had diversified his investments with
different types of property and made this a project instead of his life's
work. Redneck Lefty also brought up a good point about when we only
choose one party and how that hurts us. Finally it's easy to
blame the Federal Government or even the County Government (the article seemed
to place blame in both places), respecting diversity takes compromise. It always
seems hard to understand the greater need when government does what it does when
you're the one it is doing it to.
you wanna a little cheese with that whine.. oh non alcoholic whine of course...
pretty sad when you buy worthless desert rocks and then cry about it to anyone
who will listen.. just another Utah scam job
I feel bad for Jim and I don't. He deserves to be treated better than he
has been. Tim Anderson is an outstanding attorney (I have worked with both Jim
Doyle and Tim Anderson on Deseret Tortoise issues). Jim can, at times, be his
own worst enemy. Tim has worked hard to get what Jim is entitled to, but there
is the quandary. While his land was clearly taken when the Feds stopped all
development on his 2,440 acres to "save" the desert tortoise, the Feds,
according to some of the court cases, don't really care. This is clearly a
taking under the 5th Amendment to the Constitution, but the feds don't
think that this Amendment applies to them and they do not know what good faith
is. The Endangered Species Act, when it comes to taking private land away from
a citizen, is terribly flawed and always has been.
Govt is inefficient, wasteful, and not very kind to individuals. This is the
same govt. that wants to take over our health care. Watch out.
Hi. We are the federal government; and we are here to help you...go bankrupt!
A few points:1) This article seems poorly researched and leaves a
lot of questions unanswered. It's very unclear what he was supposed to get,
or why he didn't.2) Also, sorry, but after the real estate
bubble, it's hard to feel sorrier for a So. Utah real estate developer than
for anybody else hitting rough times.3) So. Utah has done a terrible
job of leveraging their proximity to wilderness for tourism. Instead
they've just added more subdivisions and strip malls. Look, for example, at
Washington City's rejection of the Boilers nature center project.4) This is what happens when there's no political diversity in a whole
region. If Republicans know they'll never lose your vote, they don't
have to help you out to keep it. And if Democrats know they'll never win
your vote, they have no reason to help you either, and have no problem doing
things that will make you angry. (See Clinton and the Grand Staircase...)
Can't they relocate the desert tortoise somewhere off his land? There is
plenty of more desert for it to be placed on.