BYU football: BYU's passing game searching for answers

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    passsing game?? I was at the Utah game and I didn't see a 'passing game'. I saw an option running game and that's about it. The only passing was more like something you would see from Air Force Academy. Pathetic. Hill can't throw ... period. The Y is no fun to watch anymore. Very sub par program ...and getting worse... but the food is good and the pregame and half time are fun for the kids so who cares about football anyway?

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 25, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    Anae is the problem. His offense has jr high technicallity. His rehire was a mistake and may cost bronco his job too. You fired a dc in the middle of the year for lack of performance, time to do it with this OC.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    sid 6.7 wrote: "(Lavell) also very rarely recruited out of the state of Utah."

    Here's a sample of his top QB recruits:

    Young - Connecticut
    Detmer - Texas
    Bosco - California
    Wilson - Washington
    Shiede - California
    Sarkisian - California
    Feterik - California
    McMahon - Utah
    Nielson - Utah

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    It is really hard to see how far BYU has fallen. Losing to teams like Utah and Virginia who are bottom of the barrel in their conferences is shameful. Both teams will likey have losing records. Sad...really sad.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Bulletin board material, a writer and talk show host on KTIK the ticket in Boise, the meat ball Mike Prater, said today Tayson Hill is the worse quarter back in division 1 football. He inferred BYU is nothing to worry about for Boise State. I wonder, but don't think he is the worst however rain or shine Taysom is 33 % in passing. is the OC calling the wrong plays? so many other teams do a simple pitch and catch to a crossing route, or running back out of the back field. I was at the Utah game and didn't have confidence we could get it done in passing. what has the coach been looking at since last spring? what is the percentage completion in practice? very frustrated in the play calling. wake up!

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    There are several local high school QB's that could light up the U secondary. It's utterly amazing that the much talked about awesome Taysom Hill couldn't do it. Watching his performance was so much fun for me as a Ute fan, I couldn't believe the balls that he was throwing! Some missed targets by 10 yards and 10 feet in the air. Reminded me of my inebriated brother in law trying to throw darts at ballons at the state fair. LOL!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    Taysom Hill is playing on behalf of BYU, fans, the community and his church but BYU fans deem it fit to savage this young man with their words. For shame.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Forget Ammon Olsen or Tanner what's-his-name. BYU could have Superman at QB and manage to make him sub-human. Plays that were too predictable, no adjustments against the D, overthrowing guys. We were flat out-coached and out-played AGAIN by our rivals who recruit basically the same LDS and Californians that BYU does. But they know how to get the best out of these kids. Why in the world we would invite Anae to bring his same train wreck around for a second time, I'll never know.

    Please no more "hurry-up" offense. It's just stupid when we can't even run plays that we're rushing the whole thing. What's the point??

    I agree with an earlier poster, the fact that BYU is the lowest rated passing team in the whole country is reason enough to FIRE ANAE TODAY!!! These coaches should all fall on their swords. Dead last in the USA...sheesh!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    BYU's passing game has got to improve. If we continue with pass percentage below 50%, we're going to find ourselves siting home in December.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    BYU coaches blew it on that 4th and one when they had the momentum going. Terrible coaching. I don't know what is going on down there in Provo but I think the BYU football team is destined to be MEDIOCRE at best. I hope we BYU fans have the stomach for it?

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    Last in the NCAA in passing??? I never thought I'd hear that phrase at BYU...that is blaspheme!!!

  • Zorro Bakersfield, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    As a former BYU quarterback commented after the game, "I always thought the first criteria of a BYU quarterback was to able to throw the football!"

    how low we have gone...:(

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    Taysom Hill is a running back, plain and simple.. they need to run effectively, they don't have the tools for the pass happy good old days

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Taysom Hill is young, inexperienced, talented but unseasoned. Give him time to grow. But the hurry up is silly. It just puts unnecessary pressure on our defense.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    The thing the Y fans always forget is when the Y had great QB's/Teams is when Lavell Coached there. Mendinhall is no Lavell as much as he tries to be like him on the sidelines and in post game interviews.

    You guys have talked yourself into thinking the players go to the school because it's BYU. Some maybe, but for most part nothing could be further from the truth. College athletes end up at the schools they do because of the coaches and what they can promise them. These kids could care less about facilities, conferences and TV contracts. They want to be coached to be better players and widen their chances of getting into the NFL or having their education paid for.

    Lavells secret was he and his coaching staff had the ability to take good players and turn them in to great players. He also very rarely recruited out of the state of Utah. Sounds like what is happening up on the hill right now. Of course it's no small coincidence that Kyle played for Lavell and knows the system.

    BYU needs new coaches. Ones who are more concerned with coaching then lip service.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    Hill is a lot like Tebow, except Tebow threw for 68% (career). He also had a passer rating of 170+ and rushed for just under 3000 yards. So other than that, yes, they are the same.

  • ConcernCitizen South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:16 p.m.


    In the Texas game, the team marched down the field running the ball and then kicked a field goal instead of going for the 1st down with inches to go. Whatever the motives were, I know not, but this shows a lack of confidence in coaches and the team. This srategy will come back to haunt the coaches as it did again in the UTAH game.

    In the UTAH game, there were a couple of times when Hill was short of the first down by inches and the coaches either kicked a field goal or punted.

    Please don't play a football game where you play "NOT TO LOSE", you will lose every close game. Play a game to WIN.

    Develop the plays and confidence in the players to execute those plays on 4th AND INCHES.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    It is about where we stood the last couple of years with Bronco's choice of quarterback. He does not feel that throwing ability is necessary for a quarterback. It looks to me that everything is tracking about the same, and the results will be about the same as last year. No bowl game this year, but that gives everyone more time off. The firesides are going well and the true blue colors boosted sales at the bookstore. Win, that's number 5 or 6 or 7. Not really very important. We certainly don't want any four star players here, walk-ons work out best at practice. At practice, we have a great offense and a great defense. It's the games that cause all the trouble.

  • ConcernCitizen South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    COACHES need to build EMOTIONAL CONFIDENCE in their players

    Taysom Hill is a very talented quarterback, but there is an
    emotional side to developing a quarterback in a game.

    Some games are more intense than others and even the best
    quarterbacks get the gitters. I feel than Hill was nervous and it was affecting
    his play and the need to relax. Where were the coaches?

    In order to get a quarterback to relax, you take him out for a few plays and put in another quarterback.

    I did this as a coach and it has a relaxing affect on a player because
    the quarterback thinks that all the responsibility is on his shoulders. It is not, but in the players mind, it is.

    Some coaches have the mistaken impression this may cause the
    quarterback to lose confidence. On the contrary, the quarterback gains confidence because he now knows that there are quarterbacks there to help off-load the pressure.

    In fact, a quarterback sees his position from a different perspective. He is more anxious to get back in the action but has a different mind-set and perspective.

  • yellowstoneman Spring, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Until BYU makes major changes in the coaching staff (Bronco to Defensive Coord and then a new coach) and then gets aligned with a major conference again, they will never achieve greatness again!

  • spete12 WEST JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    I guess TDS fans better hope that Mangum still decides to come back. As an elite quarterback, do you want to have to run Anae's offense? One must ponder!

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Anae's statement, "Obviously, our preparation wasn't good enough" seems rather stupid since he had two weeks to prepare. That right there says volumes about this coaching staff.

    Do you think an SEC coach (or most any other top conference for that matter), with two weeks to prepare, would have an offensive scheme that looked so pitiful? It would cost a job at other schools (i.e., Texas). You would also think that being ranked dead last in the nation would elicit more of a response than "Obviously, our preparation wasn't good enough".

    Bench the QB, fire the OC...something!!!

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Bronco is amazing at organizing inspirational firesides. Running big football program . . . not so much.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Well, I was surprised at the score. I really expected BYU to win this one, despite Hills QB woes. My son, however, said Utah will put nine in the box and stop Hill cold. He was right.

    So the big question is, do we hang with Hill, an excellent athlete or switch to Olsen a better passer? We heard this all last year, and when they did start Lark, he was mediocre at best and BYU won with defense.

    I wonder if the fast play is an issue. Maybe too fast.

    But I'm not a coach and didn't even see that game. What do I know.

  • oddman ,
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    As I sat there Saturday night watching my thoughts kept returning to the thoughtful comments made last week about number of stars behind a prospective college player's name. I believe Chris B. made excellent points and as I watched it became apparent that stars seem to make a difference. The edge between winning a ball game and not winning can be ever so slight but those deficiencies make the difference. Because of academic requirements, and Honor Code requirements many starred athletes show little or no interest in playing for BYU. It is pretty amazing that the Cougars are able to develop the caliber of team effort they do with the men they commit to play. It is interesting to see athletes become overacheivers through hard work and desire but the stars sure do help overcome the obstacle of natural ability.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Look BYU fans we have a almost new QB. Hill will improve over time, we just wish the improvement had come at this game. I think if it was the end of the season Hill will be much better. KVL my heart goes out to because he really wanted this and worked hard and gave his all to try to beat Utah. I do have hopes that BYU will go to a bowl and that Utah will go to a bowl and the two meet up at the end of the season.

    Give it time our best football day are ahead of us.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    I attended the game on Saturday/Sunday.

    The passing game was abysmal at best for BYU. Now ranked 114 out of 114 teams. Not always the QB's fault.
    Bronco will make a great defensive coach on a good BCS team some day.
    The stadium was very quiet. Rice Eccles is much louder. It may be that most of the stadium is encircled or the fans were just so nervous.
    Many BYU fans behave very poorly. Throwing trash at fans and the umpires. Poor language, poor sportsmanship.
    It felt like this game meant more to BYU.
    The refs weren't great but they were consistent.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    I'm not sure why coaches keep pointing to Hill's inexperience as a sophomore.

    As a sophomore, Max Hall threw for 3,800 yards and 26 TD's.
    As a sophomore, Ty Detmer threw for 4,500 yards and 32 TD's.
    As a sophomore, John Walsh threw for 3,700 yards and 28 TD's.
    As a sophomore, Kevin Feterik threw for 2,700 yards and 16 TD's.

    Sophomores have flourished at BYU over the last three decades.

    So it's either Taysom's passing or the offense. I'm not anti-Hill -- he went to our local high school here in Pocatello. But he's not missing by a little -- he's missing by a lot.

    He may become a great QB, but there is nothing wrong with seeing what Olsen can do with the offense.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    People in this forum should not have to be giving the Y's coaching staff lessons in quarterbacking. Yet, something must happen to change things. Mistakes in the Red Zone continue as they have for years for the Y. What is the solution for this huge waste of money, manpower, and publicity regarding the Y football program. It should not be stumbling at this point. They have serious problems of managing and protecting the football. Could we hire Lavell as an adviser like the Jazz hired Jerry?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    "don't want a pesky team any more on their non-conference schedule who can still beat them."


    STILL beat them? You're not speaking of BYU as that "pesky" team are you? If so, it's kind of a sad in a little-brother sort of way--unless you're not aware of the whole 9-of-12, 4-in-row thing.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:18 p.m.


    I have a few ideas for you.

    Don't run a stupid rugby pitch on first down on the goal line. This isn't rugby, it is football, and by not gaining any yards on first down, you narrowed your options on subsequent downs.

    Second, know what your 3rd and 13 play is, so you don't have to call time out to get your act together. Doing that cost you 40 seconds that would've been helpful on the last possession.

    Third, teach your 7' wideout to go up and fight for the ball, then fight for the end zone rather than flop like Kobe.

    Fourth, don't call a corner fade with Hill at QB. Doesn't matter who he has at wideout, he can't throw that ball. C-A-N-'-T. Or few others. Might want to work on that.

    Fifth, tighten up the rotation at OL. You should know better.

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    I like Hill, he is a very talented athlete. That being said, I cant wait for Tanner Mangum to get back from his mission and remind all of us what it was like to have a genuine passing QB at the helm. Even Jake Heaps was better under Anae before Anae decided to go hard and go fast. Brandon Doman ruined Heaps chances with his horrible style of offense. Pocket passers are always better. but even Peyton Manning couldnt help us win if our O-line doesnt protect him.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    BYU also needs to cut down on the penalties. Long gains and touchdowns brought back because of holding or clips. Stupid mistakes that should not happen.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @SoonerUte- What do you mean by "When has he had the opportunity to pass in game situations this year?" In the Virginia game he was 13/40. Against Texas he was 9/26, and against Utah he was 18/48. He's had PLENTY of opportunities to throw the ball, he's just not accurate. Why should they have called more passes against Texas when the Longhorns were doing absolutely nothing to stop him from running? If you find something that works, stick with it. The unfortunate downside of that is what we saw happen on Saturday. Utah defended the run and made Hill go to the air, which is clearly not his strength. And it's not as though he doesn't have all the time in the world to throw the ball. His O-line was giving him all night to make a play. The Cougs would do well to spend a lot more time on developing Hill's accuracy if they intend to keep him as their starter...

    GO UTES!!!

  • Robert Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    This one's easy: Hill can't throw accurately! If you want to have a passing game, you need a different QB. End of story.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Wow. When was the last time an opposing coach said the key to beating BYU was to "force them to throw the ball?" Last in the nation in passing. Gulp.

    The good news is Hill can run and BYU has some promising receivers. I suspect if Hill can just get some basic mechanics down, he'll be able to hit receivers on the numbers rather than four feet above their helmets. That will make all the difference in the world and turn this around for the Cougars.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:49 a.m.


    "Utes have the Y's number, yet nobody else's."

    Nothing makes Utah fans smile more than BYU fans like yourself who have to point to wins by OTHER teams in order to get a jab in.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    I don't see myself being as interested in BYU as long as they continue down this path of focusing on a QB's running ability. The BYU offense was not broken until we started playing a running QB and retooling the offense around that. Think about it. The last time BYU had a dominate offense was with Max Hall. As soon as he left, BYU started trying to fit in Riley Nelson because of his "leadership" and running ability. They're doing the same thing with Hill. Why did BYU give up on the passing game? They are just blinded by the QB's running ability.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    I was at the game. During the last 5 minutes BYU finally went to Hoffman across the middle - twice in a row - for first downs. Those were the ONLY two throws in the middle of the field that I saw the entire game for some reason. The throws along the side line are low percentage throws and even those were overthrown. It is almost as if Anae doesn't trust Hill and so he designs these side line patterns where the ball is least likely to be intercepted. Either you make the catch or the ball sails out of bounds. All the runs were perplexing as well. Two yards and a cloud of dust doesn't cut it when you are 13 points behind late in the game. I can only think Anae just doesn't trust Hill to make decisions across the middle. No throws to the tight ends either??? I could of sworn for a moment there I was watching AirForce. All I know is BYU had better not waste Hoffmans last year because Cody will be playing on Sundays next season in the NFL.

  • ConcernCitizen South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Taysom Hill is a very talented quarterback, but there is an emotional side to developing a quarterback in a game.

    Some games are more intense than others and even the best quarterbacks get the gitters. I feel than Hill was nervous and it was affecting his play and the need to relax. Where were the coaches?

    In order to get a quarterback to relax, you take him out for a few plays and put in another quarterback. I did this as a coach and it has a relaxing affect on a player because the quarterback thinks that all the responsibility is on his shoulders. It is not, but in the players mind, it is.

    Some coaches have the mistaken impression this may cause the quarterback to lose confidence. On the contrary, the quarterback gains confidence because he now knows that there are quarterbacks there to help off-load the pressure. In fact, a quarterback sees his position from a different perspective. He is more anxious to get back in the action, and is more confident and relaxed.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Isn't it a little early to be down on Hill? When has he had the opportunity to pass in game situations this year? Virginia? Sloppy weather. Texas? Didn't want to get away from the run, because it was working. Looking back, Coach should have called more passes vs Texas. They would have gotten more value in passing practice than in setting a school record for runs.

    VS Utah was Hill's first chance to pass. It was sloppy, but he still set a personal best. So you'd prefer to switch to Olsen who has never thrown a college game pass? Too early for a QB switch. Hill just needs more experience.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    BYU needs Tanner Mangum; he's the real deal. IMO

  • Beaver Native Garland, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Agreed, none of the teams in Utah are great this year, but Utah deserved this win. They played better ball and didn't make mistakes when it mattered. Best wishes to all Utah teams this year.

    BYU has to develop some passing efficiency if they're going to have a winning season. As for the Utes, they have improved over last season. Competitive in the PAC-12? Not yet, but give them a few years.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    What passing game?

  • theskipper salt lake, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:20 a.m.


  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    I for one am grateful that Bronco kept Hill in for the entire Utah bYu game.

    No brainer; spy on Hill, shut his running game off and his passing would benefit Utah.

    Love Bronco's decisions, the gift that keeps on giving, year after year. 2013 will always be remembered 20-13

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Utes have the Y's number, yet nobody else's.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    BYU fans right now "know" a good deal more than the coaches. Why? Common sense, and simple observation.

    When I saw Coach Mendenhall at game time stoically pacing the sidelines by himself I thought "Whoa, here it comes!" We're not ready, and we're also going to see a slow-but-steady strategy on offense, once again, and nothing new.

    Didn't we have enough motivation? We are playing at our house! - in front of 57,000 fans and an ESPN2 nationwide audience. Utah has embarrassed us three years straight. Their coaches know our tendencies and appear almost arrogant and dismissive in the way they approach us. They appear to disrespect the rivalry now that they are in the Pac10. On the one hand they seem to project that they don't consider us "in their league" as a major competitor, yet on the other don't want a pesky team any more on their non-conference schedule who can still beat them. It was public outcry in Utah that got the games going again three years from now.

    So where was the fire? Many of the fans have got it! Utah said, "We wanted it more." Incredible.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    "BYU football: BYU's passing game searching for answers"

    We already knew that! It was revealed after the Texas game that BYU has a really bad passing game. Utah watched game film and their whole game plan was to stop the run, and put one linebacker to spy on Taysom Hill. What do you know? It worked!

    Here's an answer to help solve BYU's passing woes. Get a new quarterback!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    When Byu can't recruit a decent passing QB for years now? its a sad day and won't get any better until Bronco is fired, look no further than Andrew Luck vs Kapernick yesterday, and see how important it is to be able to pass as a QB and not just to run read option every single play.

  • taraxopoios Lake Tapps, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    The one thing that really stood out to me is what happened in the fourth quarter when Anae called short pass routes and let his play makers (Hoffman and Falslev) do their thing after the catch. It's said so often by coaches that is has become a cliche, "We have to get the ball to our play makers in space." I saw very few play calls where this was the case. When the play makers did get the ball it was rarely in space. Seems like a basic philosophy, but what do I know!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    The answer is:

    Wait for the Mangum kid to finish his mission..

  • Gus Tunkle Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    I would like to thank our friends at the University of Utah for letting us play them in football. I would also like to thank them for letting us score a touchdown. You are our friends and we like you.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    So glad Jamaal is ok and out of the hospital, very scary. As for BYU, they were out-played and out-coached the whole game. O-line was pushed around the whole game and unfortunately our solid defense gave up some big plays. Utah was stacking the box the whole game, but it was easy to see that Hoffman had one-on-one coverage on many of these plays. Why they didn't take advantage of this is beyond me, I guess they just have no confidence in Hill and his ability to go through his progressions. Future opponents just saw how to beat BYU....make Hill throw. Simple as that. Maybe Hill will develop into a decent passer, but as of right now, that offense is so one-dimensional it's scary. Do you stick with Hill and try to develop his passing? I don't know, it's the million dollar question.

    As I said on another post, no excuses from me, congrats to the Utes, they own us plain and simple. I wish them luck in the Pac 12, as for BYU, sooooo much work to do if we want to be bowl eligible. Yuck!

  • AJC Eden, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Coach Ben Cahoon solved the problem of dropped balls! Are you kidding??? What universe do you live in?

    How does a major university end up with only one capable receiver (Hoffman) and a starting QB who couldn't toss a snap back to the center? Did anyone notice that no deep pass landed in the same zip code as the intended receiver? Hill always throws behind a moving receiver, so his only completions are when the receiver is stopped or coming back for the ball. It's been three years now since a BYU QB has completed passes to receivers on the move!! Of course, this bunch of receivers couldn't catch a soap bubble with a peach basket. Apo doesn't even seem to know when to turn his head to look for the ball!

    I agree that it would be nice to see Ammon Olsen in a game to see what he can do. We need a passer, not an additional runner.
    Maybe recent history is telling us that QBs who transfer from other programs aren't such a good deal....

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Ammon Olsen

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    re: jarka-rus moments ago.

    Agreed. B Mendenhall is like Dave Wannstedt is a really good DC & mediocre HC.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    No need to write letters to your legislators. The U athletic department is not subsidized by your tax dollars. In fact, a recent economic research study showed that Utah's membership in the PAC 12 actually brings in more revenue to Utah State coffers.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Two weeks ago I thought “Utah is going to shut down our run game, it won’t be like Texas. I’m not proud. We should find another way. They will stack the block and dare us to pass.”

    My thinking continued: “Utah’s clear weakness is pass defense, especially vertical. Since we have a developing and inconsistent passing quarterback, to win this game we are going to have to gamble. I would pass 95% of the time in the game. I wouldn’t even care if Taysom had a few interceptions. Since it’s unlikely we beat them with our strength against their strength, we will beat them with our ‘so-so’ against their weakness, by stepping up our passing attack on a major scale.”

    And we clearly needed something out-of-the-box, something unconventional in our approach, to shake us out of the head case Utah has us in.

    But no, BYU’s coaches right now are too proud, in my view. Same-old.

    Remember when we played Tulsa a few years ago and they surprised us with a hurry up passing attack? We had beaten them consistently. It was unusual, and they won.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    I think Taysom might get some useful tips from Steve Young. The receivers? Call up Jerry Rice!!!

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Fisrt, Utah is better than BYU this year. I don't care if they are PAC cellar dwellers, we would be too if we were in the PAC.

    Second, the officiating wasn't bad. If you think it was, you need to watch the game on TV. Most were in BYU's favor. Our only TD wasn't even valid, as the knee was clearly down before the ball crossed the plane. No idea how Bronco's challenge stood, as the ball wasn't tipped at the line of scrimage, so was it tipped right before Beck committed the pass interference, and if so, does that even matter? The last play was not a PI as Mathews pulled the defender to the ground, right before the ball bounced off him on the ground. Not the zebras fault.

    Lastly, we missed several great opportunities from stupid mistakes. Field goal, Hine TD run, Falslev run that could've been TD if blockers in fron of him would've turned around = 3+7+7 more points! Still wouldn't have been the better team.

  • jr8 Seattle, WA
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Classic case of 'lacking self awareness':

    "I think Utah had a pretty good scheme on us, but there at the end, we started to find gaps. It is just unfortunate that we didn’t do it soon enough. So that is something that we need to continue to get better at.”

    Are you kidding? Utah came out with 1 safety over the top and 8 in the box from play 1. It was obvious from the stands that hot route slants would have worked from the get go. And they did ... in the 4th qtr. I'm an amateur at best but Anae has got to recognize coverages and adjust in-game long before it gets out of hand. The best do, he doesn't and taysom CAN make THAT throw - no touch required.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Hill is an excellent running option qb... but, has no touch on his passes, and is inaccurate largely because everything is thrown on the run or while hopping around (no solid foundation). imho, he would be an excellent running back/ secondary throwing threat if the coaching staff would drop their tunnel visioned tendencies.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Let's face it Bronco's a good guy but a mediocre head coach at best and that will never change.

  • truebluecougar Orem, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Where is Ross Apo? Dropped passes and miscommunication. Disappointed he still struggles to get open, catch the ball, etc. A good passing game means the receivers need to get open and Apo is seldom open. I noted that Apo did not play much in the 2nd half. Is it an attitude problem or does he not have what it takes to be a good receiver? Sad

  • AttilaTheHun Nephi, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Mendenhall and Anae should both be burning on the hot seat. For BYU, (FREAKING BYU!!) To be rated LAST in the country in the passing game is a travesty of epic proportions. The whole staff should resign on principle. 123 out of 123. How they sleep at night right now while cashing their paychecks boggles the mind. And yet we get the same old "shrug the shoulders, we-got-outplayed-blahblahblah time and time again after losses due to incompetent game preparation and poor decision making on the coaches part. Tough to be Coug fan right now, and this is after 30+ years of being there, year in year out.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    A great principle is that our strength can become our weakness. This is true of great leaders.

    Bronco in my view is one of the very best defensive coaches in the nation, bar none. It seems he unfortunately lets his defense-first approach spill over into the way he views his own offense and into key decisions for the offense that he has chosen to reserve for himself - whether to go for it or not on 4th and 1, saying to the offensive coordinator "I want a balance of running and passing," etc.

    Could it be that that unlike LaVell Edwards, he's rigid in what he demands of the offense and his offensive coordinators, putting shackles on them?

    When LaVell brought Doug Scovil in, he let him fly. He didn't say, "Yeah, but on 4th and 1 on our 40 with the game winding down and we're losing I'm going to say we're going to punt," or "let's get the running game established first on them," and etc.

    It's speculation of course and a bit unfair, but it's time we said to the offense "let her rip" come what may. And especially against Utah.

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Anyone who is shocked by the results of this season so far doesn't pay attention. Quit looking at the Vegas odds makers and computer rankings to base your fantasies of what will happen. Hill has had accuracy problems all spring and fall camp. The receivers have had dropped balls the same time. Do you really think it can be fixed once the season begins. Get use to this it will go on for the rest of the year.

    What I learned from Saturday's game is what I already knew. We have three teams in the state who are barely above average. Utah is best, then USU, then BYU.

    I SAID AT THE BEGINNING BYU would struggle to be bowl eligible and would be 5 and 7. They have shown me nothing that changes that prediction. Utah is actually better than I thought and should become bowl eligible barely.

    I still hear rumblings from those close to BYU that not all the positions are being played by the best players. I believe that but Bronco ha his reasons of who plays, and will never change.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    This game really saddened me. I was hoping to see a better offensive performance and see more of a balanced attack with some inventive plays to keep the Utes off-balance. I saw a QB that is good on running and very poor in passing. How many times was the ball way over the heads of the intended receiver? The play calling was bland. How many times did I see 1st downs with a hand off up the middle? Why did we always go for the long pass when a controlled passing game of 5 to 10 yards would have worked to move the ball down the field? After this game I felt the way I felt last year when there were many games we lost that were VERY winnable. We could have won that game but I think we need to re-look at every position on offense and be more creative in the play calling. Oh, and stop lining up in a down position on the sideline to start each offensive series.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Utah is in BYU players and coaches heads, evident the moment BYU began play. Last year we're the better team, but coughed and sputtered and barely lost.
    We continue incremental-ism, our nice, safe ways of playing, Coach Whittingham:
    Throws over the top last year to try to discourage us and put the game away.
    Turns a game with another rival with an onside kick.
    Tells his players two years ago "It doesn't have to be close" and they drub us in Provo while we say "it will go down to the wire" and "whoever makes one more play will win" and other self-fulfilling prophecies. Does BYU realize if they simply put 30-35 points on the board they would have won Saturday? Then why choose throw-away running plays and kicking field goals?
    And we knew what to expect from Pac10 referrees. Micheel Jordan said "we have to play above the referees." That meant if the refs give the other team 10 points we score 20 to offset what we can't control.
    In the Texas game, we came out with a completely different energy level and confidence that a win was imminent.
    BYU has a Utah head case.

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:16 a.m.

    I always wondered why Ben Cahoon was fired. I never heard of any issues with him and our recievers improved dramatically with him as the recievers coach. Does anyone know exactly why he was let go? Or was it just an entire Offensive coach purge?

  • AFMech APO, AE
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:47 a.m.


    Hill can't be a running back, due to the fact he doesn't have any lateral movement. He can't cut like a traditional RB. He's fast North and South, but he can only run when the O-line opens holes for him. As for his QB status, he doesn't have the "touch." It seems he tries to put every throw on a line, and throw so hard his hand can't grip the ball long enough to make the throw accurate. That's tough to coach out of someone who has been doing that their entire career. Jason Beck has his work cut out for him, but the constant swapping of QB's is not what the Cougs need right now. Ammon has his issues as well, his footwork isn't the greatest and he tends to let the ball sail high too. Anae and Beck need to get Hill comfortable from throwing on the run, since that's where the majority of his mistakes have come from. He's not a pocket passer, so that's one solution to the woes at the QB position for now. Just my .02.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:02 a.m.

    Passing game answers? Ya think?

    It's hard to win when Taysom Hill throws 48 times. I know BYU runs close to a hundred plays per game, so the ratio is close to even (pass to run ratio), but 48 times and plays to embrace Hill's arm? Slow down and huddle up every once in a while. BYU doesn't have the horses to run a turbo offense like Chip Kelly at Oregon did.

    Hill does make plays with his feet when he runs downhill. It's there where Hill becomes a fast and hard runner. But Utah wasn't blinded by that. Whittingham recognized that Hill doesn't move as well laterally in the pocket so he attacked where Texas did not.

    Hill looks tough and competitive. Sound familiar BYU fans? Think the last 2 plus years. Hill has not even come close to showing that he can be a passer. Now I can see him being able to sling it. But far from every kind of cannon arm guy that just throws for velocity sake, targeting every route the same, can become a gunslinger. Hill is a more athletic version of Riley Nelson. BYU recruiting QB shift in my eyes.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:17 a.m.

    I think it was a really big coaching failure to not have some kind of passing game plan. You simply can't stick with a QB who is averaging a 1/3 completion rate going against a stacked front. At least give a backup QB a series in the game to mix up the defense with a more pass-oriented look, catching them in a run-D look. Or even throw in a WR pass off a reverse. Huge, huge strategy miss from the BYU coaches. 4th and 1 call was also really bad. Can't wear out the other team if you are punting on 4th and 1.

    Utah fans have reason to celebrate - they won, we lost. Perhaps as Cougar fans hear the gloating, religious taunts, and see the baptism video, they will realize their tax dollars are helping subsidize the UU athletic department. There is no good reason for any BCS athletic department to be subsidized when they are making so much through their TV contracts. So as they Utes shove the win in your face, don't get angry - write your state legislators, and end subsidies to BCS teams.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    Are you a BYU fan? If so, you are the first I've seen to agree with me that hill is a RB. Everyone loves talking about him originally signing as a QB with Stanford. If he was playing for the Cardinal right now, he would either be a running back or a linebacker

  • San Diego Orem, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Having dropped ball problems again. Last time this was a problem Ben Cahoon was hired and he fixed it. Sounds like it was a big mistake to fire him. Wonder if he is still available?

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    I believe Heaps has better passing stats at Kansas and it wouldn't surprise me if Rily Nelson didn't have better stats last year.

    It's time to put Hill at running back and give Ammon the ball.