Brad Rock: Utes are finding it easy to whip the Cougars

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    @ Coolio

    Michigan won the 2012 Sugar Bowl.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    I bet this is just killing ol Ducky and Sammyg...And it doesn't matter what you boys think we we will do in the Pac 12, what matters is the fact that you can't beat us!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    When was the last time we lost to BYU by more than one score?

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    I think this game and many of the games over the past few years can be wrapped up in a nutshell. Utah had dramatically better cornerbacks than BYU. When we lost Jordan Johnson for the year I must admit that I kind of wrote the year off.

    The last time BYU had a great team was 1996. It was also the last time BYU had two great cornerbacks, Tim Mctyre and Omar Morgan. Until BYU can close the talent gap in this area I don't expect better results in the future. It really isn't that complicated.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    I really expected BYU to be better than this. They weren't. Offense is better than last year, but a long way to go to catch up with the defense. Still a work in progress.

    The operative word is progress, somthing measured over time. It has taken Sarkesian three years to swing UW around. And they are an injury to Price or Sankey to derail a promising start.

    I'm looking for progress this year, not instant gratification. If we see what we saw the last three years, offensively, then we'll have room to complain.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    I always love the "here come the excuses from BYU fans" lines by smug Utah fans. These comments typically outnumber the ACTUAL EXCUSES made by BYU fans by, oh, 5 to 1? 10 to 1?

    They go in the same category and the mythical BYU fan predicting a BCS championship, mutliple Heismans for Jake Heaps, annual 1st-Team All Pro for Jimmer, etc, etc. These people may exist, but they're one in a million and no-one takes them seriously. In other words, you're calling out imaginary friends.

    Hey, whatever floats your boat. Congrats on the win, and enjoy your equally imaginary Rose Bowl berth. I hated that we lost, but I kinda have to chuckle that nearly three years from now you'll still be looking back on September 21, 2013 as your last "significant" win.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    @Felis....You a little bitter...LOL

    As I've posted many times already it's the same song and dance with cougie fans....Offseason they say their the greatest team ever, best coaches, NFL players all over the field, that the cougies have BCS bowl chance, etc. Then September comes and again shows why the Utes are so much better. The excuses mount for a couple of weeks until a couple WAC teams come along then the cougies are right back to claiming their the greatest team that has ever played....LOL!

    4 in a row, 9 of 12 overall domination....UTAH owns the Y...This has to hurt so bad cougie fans. So many of you on these threads said over and over wait until September 21st well we waited and again seen who the better team was, has been and will continue to be...GO UTES!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:11 a.m.

    BYU will never beat Utah as long as Mendenhall is its coach.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    "BYU had the defense to win this game if it would have had an offense. "
    Nothing changed. This was the same offense that Cougar fans praised as "awesome" after dismantling Texas. Instead of saying BYU didn't have an offense, give credit where credit is due: Utah has a defense.

    Sept. 22, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Felis, BYU had exactly as many big plays as Utah had. Taysom's 40+ yard run was comparable to Poole's 65 yarder, and Falslev's PR set BYU up just like Dres' big reception did. The difference was Utah finished one of them in the end zone. You calling Rock fickle is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. I agree with you that Utah didn't clearly dominate, but they did capitalize by indisputably getting into the end zone twice, which BYU didn't do once (touchdown was awarded because the camera angle was not in line with the goal line and couldn't confirm where the ball was when he was down by contact, though it looked like Alisa's arm was down before getting in).

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    I doubt any Ute player or coach would say that game was easy or the one the year before that. Or in most years either team wins.

    This is a great rivalry and I feel bad it is going away the next two years. I think the game has came down to the last possession seven out of the last 10 yards. Again, whoever the victor is, it is far from easy.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    Utah didn't dominate BYU, nor did they "whip" them. I swear, there is no single group of people so fickle as sports writers; if BYU had won they'd be prophesying doom for the Utes.

    BYU outgained Utah in total yards, 443-402. BYU outrushed Utah, 183-129. They completely stymied Utah on 3rd downs; the "powerful new Ute offense" was a laughable 1/14 on third down attempts.

    The game boiled down to a couple of big plays; Utah converted them, BYU didn't. That's it, in a nutshell. Statistically speaking, the teams were pretty much even.

    If the past seasons are any indication, Utah will go on to finish 2-7 in the PAC-12, with at least three of those losses by double-digits, including at least one embarrassing blowout. But since Utah has already won its bowl game (BYU) no one will mind sitting at home in December collecting a big PAC-12 paycheck.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    As much as BYU fans want to claim that the teams are evenly matched, the truth is much different. One play that sticks out was Justin Thomas defending a pass in the endzone on third down forcing a field goal. Thomas, a redshirt freshman, was a 4 star recruit coming out of high school from Texas. It's no secret that Utah has been putting cornerbacks in the NFL and it's no secret that there are virtually ZERO white quarterbacks in the NFL. So take a look at BYU's cornerbacks and realize the talent difference is substantial. Cornerbacks have to be the fastest players on their respective teams. They need to be able to quickly adjust when a wide out changes trajectory. Anderson's 74 yard reception was caused by an inability to adjust to a fast receiver's change of direction. Meanwhile Utah had no problem adjusting to either defend, intercept, hit or tackle a targeted BYU receiver. Both teams have a great front 7 but until BYU can field better corners they will fall again and again to the U.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    A bitter pill for me to swallow for this die hard Coug fan, but congrats on four straight wins and two years without the opportunity for me to hope for revenge. U have definitely had our number, but to use the word "easy" or "whip" doesn't fit for any objective football fan.

    Utah's win against Weber was easy, at least three of the four last years against the Cougs have not been easy. They've been great games. If (I know that's a big word) the "magic" had gone the other way, the Cougs could have been 3-1. But it didn't, and that's what's great about football. As good as KVN was, Travis made the biggest difference. He has a bright future.

    I hope U will miss "the game" as much as I will the next three years (two seasons). I hope U would rather see great games like these than blowouts against Weber St or N. Colorado.

    I'll be cheering for you, and hope you do well. Again congrats! See you 2016. Adios!

  • jbohn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    "What if Adam Hine’s 100-yard kick return hadn’t been reversed on a penalty? And what if the play by Michael Alisa had been ruled a fumble recovery for a touchdown? What if they’d called a penalty on the game’s final play?"

    Uhhhhh thats easy, they all would have been in incorrect calls.

  • BYU fan in Boise Middleton, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    It seems plain to me that each year in this rivalry the UofU coaches out-coach the BYU coaches. It is obvious that the Utes are more prepared - mentally, physically, emotionally, and to play the game each year. That doesn't mean the Utes have better coaches overall than BYU. It just means that the BYU coaches does a poor job when it comes to this particular game.

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    I don't care what anybody says, the fact that Chris Hill pulled the plug on the greatest game the state has ever seen is a tragedy. Four in a row? 9 out of 12? That's reason to bolt? What about BYU' 18 out of 20 during the 70's and 80's? It's the GAME!!!! This was so dumb of the Utes and Chris Hill. But we get to play Michigan!!! Right, a team that's thousands of miles a way and havn't won anything in decades. A team that squeaks past UConn.

    What a tragedy. Whittingham couldn't give up a DII game to keep the rivalry? What a joke. They need to play this. Do what it takes. Pay some fines back out on a game next year. Make it happen. The fans should demand it. Both sides. We are all part of the rivalry. We are the primary reason it is what it is. Don't let Hill break a streak of a hundred plus years for false illusions of bigger and better things. There will never be a day when Ute fans get more amped for playing anybody other the BYU. That's what a rivalry is.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Rock, I disagree with some of your points. Calling out Jason Whittingham, really? Did you happen to watch Provo's Kearsley? That kid is a bigger cheap shot artist than Rafeal Arajuo, and that is saying something. Van Noy should have been called for roughing the passer many times. The last play of the game, the Ute defender was pulled into the contact, even the ESPN game announcers noticed that and remarked about it while watching the replay which clearly shows that. Utah did not put on the show it could have. They kept it simple with very conservative play calling to eliminate errors.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Sept. 22, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    All of the usual gang of braggarts and boasters are missing from all of the articles, except for "we didn't lose-the refs beat us" Worf.

    The Cougars played a tough game but just got beat by a better team. Face it, you were out coached and outplayed. I see a lot are putting the blame on Anae. He doesn't have a QB to work with. Van Noy, for the most part did a great job of hitting a QB who didn't have the ball and despite being a great player really didn't have that much effect on the game. Heaps was (and still is) terrible and so is your running back playing QB Hill.

    As for all of the "exposure" on ESPN, not a good sign when the announcers are laughing at your player getting flattened by a Ute RB.

    As " a diehard Utah Ute fan" I anxiously await the Pac 12 play, as difficult as it may be.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    "The Thousand Day Win." I love the sound of that! Where's that copyright key???

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    I hope the give Bronco a lifetime contract.

    Sept. 22, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Oh Ducky!!! Can't wait to read how you are going to spin this one. Take your time and really make it good. Remember, it has to last 3 years!!

    The Beehive Boot is where it belongs!!

    Go Utes!!

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    The Utes have gotten into BYU's head, and that is the difference. BYU has the ability, but too many of the players just don't have the will to get it done. I am glad to see the two-year break in this rivalry. Hopefully that will be plenty of time for the Cougars to regroup and find their game against the Utes. I am happy that I will also be able to cheer for both teams in 2014 and 2015.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    I hope they give Bronco another another extension. Job well done sir. Honor, Pride, and Tradition all did well. Go team!

  • LoveMySports Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    BYU had the defense to win this game if it would have had an offense. Any offense should be expected to score at least 21 points a game. I blame Bronco for not being able to recruit a QB that can pass. I like Hill but isn't this just Riley 2.0? I maintain that Bronco is a great DC but average head coach.

  • AJC Eden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    The highlight of the game for BYU fans was when freshman O-lineman Kearsley got into the face of his Ute opponent! At least he was "fully invested", unlike the rest of the overmatched O-line.

    Looks like we BYU fans have 2.5 more years of Riley Nelson, Jr at QB.

    How come the Utes always have quick and capable receivers and the Y has tons of guys with bricks for hands? I get tired of hearing what nice routes they run--what difference does it make if they can't catch a soap bubble in a peach basket?? BTW, it's time to bench Apo and start developing someone else during the remainder of this lost season. Same for QB; let's w see what Ammon Olsen can do.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    @ Rockarolla

    If Utah wins three more games it will be bowling.

    Sept. 22, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    1000 days until this game is played again. It sounds like the biggest losers this morning are everyone that loves great football.

    No more Texas v.Texas AM, Oklahoma v Nebraska, BYU v. Utah. Great games with real meaning are gone.

    I wish Utah good luck in the years to come.

    (and secretly hope Utah places sixth in the PAC for one last chance in San Francisco - no one I would rather see us play and no lose hurts more. That is why we all love the game.)

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Lopsided win-loss ratio, yes. Dominance - not really. Too many of the games are too close and many decided or up for grabs to the end. Good local rivalry, it'll turn the other way at some point like it was in the mid-70's to mid-90's, count on it.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Here come the excuses!

  • derecha Central, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    I wouldn't say at all that this game means more to BYU than Utah, simply because BYU is independent. I would argue that Utah has more to play for since this is turning out to be one of the few teams that Utah feels comfortable playing and for them, that is a good thing. Utah needs to have this win, since it is one of the few they have had each year in recent years, so they put more emphasis on this one game. Having said that, I think that BYU does come in with more angst and Utah plays looser. It shows on the field and in the result.

  • kosimov Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    I'll never understand, Rock, why sportswriters and fans read so much more into the coaches and player's character than is warranted by the game. It is OK to whoop and holler and talk talk talk about the game itself, about how one player beat another down the field for a winning catch, for example, but is it really necessary to make the player who was beat seem like a bone-headed idiot who ought to be deported to the moon because he stumbled, or didn't get turned quite in the right direction, or simply wasn't blessed with huge leg muscles to run down the opposing player. I am writing this now because I know what is going to show up here once we all get up in the morning and the keyboards start to rattle. Go ahead, guys, have a lot of fun sticking your tongues out at each other, predicting the rest of the year's games, reading impossible conclusions into a simple football game. But PLEASE, don't tear down the men in blue or red or stripes as though they are criminals. It takes BOTH teams to make a game!

    Sept. 22, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    "What if Adam Hine’s 100-yard kick return hadn’t been reversed on a penalty? And what if the play by Michael Alisa had been ruled a fumble recovery for a touchdown? What if they’d called a penalty on the game’s final play?...A questionable moment came when Utah’s Jason Whittingham came crashing into view at the end of a play"

    Nice blue spin on all of those, Brad. Let's see, IF BYU doesn't hold on the kick return, Hine gets tackled at around BYU's 20. IF Michael Alisa was awarded a fumble recovery for a TD, Larry Scott would have called in and fired the refs on the spot; even if it was muffed (which it's clear it wasn't), muffed punts are downed at the spot they were recovered, not returnable. And Whittingham's "questionable moment" the replay. Kearsley (the one so even-keeled on the rivalry he publicly burned a letter from Utah--oooooohhhhhh!!) uses Whittingham like a blocking sled after the play was over, crashing him into some BYU players. But go ahead, supply the fans with 3 years of excuses.

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    Whitingham is a better coach. Plan and simple.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 22, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    One drive summed up the difference in coaching. I've never been so infuriated.

    BYU down 13-6, very end of 3rd quarter, ball on BYU 40, 4th and 1. Coach Mendenhall punts! We had the momentum not only in that drive but in the whole 3rd quarter, having driven and kicked two field goals. We knew Utah's offense is dangerous. Sure enough, Utah drives all the way down the field and scores, putting the game out of reach.

    Then, incredibly, on the next drive BYU calls running plays on the first two downs, while two touchdowns behind and only 10 minutes left in the game!

    Didn't we want to win? We were on our field. What kind of lack-of-confidence message did it send the players, that we can't make one stinking yard in a key series?

    And then Coach Mendenhall says after the game that the missed field goal was a turning point. No, the turning point was when the players first took the field and looked like they didn't understand they were on their own home field and that every play counted, while their opponent understood perfectly and executed.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:33 a.m.

    After losing to Utah four years its pretty obvious the Cougars are no match for the Utes in the one on one match up in football. However, the Utes haven't really been able to do anything these last few years either besides beat BYU. Both teams have been underachievers since this decade began.

    Utah needs to beat a team in their league this year that is at least 5-4 AND make a bowl game, and BYU needs to get to ten wins and be ranked. Both objectives are tall orders but doable.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 4:11 a.m.

    Game, set and match. See you in 2016. No Utah is not afraid to play you BYU. What they are is tired of beating you and never getting the credit. Oh the calls were bad, the turnovers were flukes, we finished with the better record and Sagarin ratings excuses. Utah is the better team and has been for LONG time. BYU was better in 1984. Yippy.

    Quit making excuses Bronco. I was glad to see Coach Anae own the loss and calling Utah the better team on both sides of the ball.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:08 a.m.

    We just don't lose to BYU anymore.

    Lots of pain in Provo tonight.

    Lots of jubilation in SLC.

    Glad I'm on the winning side.


  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:47 a.m.

    Great game tonight! I've got my Ute tie (and white shirt, of course) ready to go for tomorrow. Ugh, wish I didn't have 9 o'clock church.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:35 a.m.

    No it's not that easy Brad Rock but Utah has yet another win against BYU.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:32 a.m.

    Yes we are!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:13 a.m.

    What if's get coaches fired. Looks like both teams are not very good (AGAIN). Utah may win only 3 more games this year. leaving them without a bowl game again. BYU may make it to another game because they have some winnable games left. I think they will lose to USU and Wisconsin but will win the rest of their games. I think that Bosie State and Notre Dame are winnable games and so are the rest of the scheduled games. Utah has a much tougher schedule. I don't see them winning against the tougher teams. USC is beatable but the rest of their games are a gauntlet. And if you cant beat a poor Oregon State team, at home, it's going to be tough to beat anyone else. This is one poor state for college football

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:12 a.m.

    Ah, worf. What can be done, my man? Your presence and thoughtful commentary will be missed.

    Sept. 22, 2013 1:11 a.m.

    Ask the players, Brad. No games are easy. It's hard work for the 20 hours of the week, and 60 minutes of game time. It comes down to preparation. Kudos to the Cougars on a great game and classic defensive battle.