BYU, Utes football: Cougar linebacker Kyle Van Noy will end collegiate career without win against Utah

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    Sept. 24, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    Aggie238, yes, but USC had all those same athletes, plus a few better ones like TJ McDonald, last year, and they were a pretty underwhelming defense. I think USU will probably win, but I think Keeton, like Wilson, will find it hard to run against BYU (as it was against SC), and the pass rush will make him get rid of the ball earlier than he'd like to as well.

    As far as what you call USU's weakness, I was actually pleasantly surprised at how their secondary stood up to SC's receiving corps. Kessler is a pretty smart passer, and he looked a bit flustered at times in the game. I see another defensive battle, but not as low of a final score as last year. Good luck, Ags!

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 12:53 p.m.


    Having watched both teams play, I have to tell you that USC is more than a little bit better than BYU defensively. There isn't even a comparison. KVN is a great player, and I hope that he goes far, but USC has roster full of players of that caliber at every position on defense who are bigger, faster, and stronger than the BYU counterparts. I was truly amazed at the strength and speed of that defense. But even they couldn't keep us out of the end zone the whole time. USU will not see another defense of that caliber this year. BYU's defense is good enough to slow USU down some of the time, but not good enough to stop it. I will grant you that Bronco usually has a great defensive game plan, and runs a tight ship in that department, but it's not anywhere near USC's level. Not only will BYU's defense not good enough to stop Chuckie & Co, but the offense is just not going to be able to keep up, especially since Hill is not capable of effectively exploiting our one defensive weakness.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    "Cougar linebacker Kyle Van Noy will end collegiate career without win against Utah."

    He will just have to be consoled with his upcoming multi-million dollar contract in the NFL. Some how I think he will just be fine.

    Sept. 23, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan, there's a chance, my Northwoods neighbor. If BYU is bowl eligible, they are automatically slated for the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, which also has the sixth pick of bowl-eligible PAC-12 teams (seventh if the conference receives an at-large BCS bowl invite). So if Utah wins at least 6 games, is not conference champs (highly unlikely they would), and is not invited by either the Alamo, Holiday, Sun, or Las Vegas bowls, then yes, they could meet BYU in San Francisco. Best of luck from the Chippewa Valley!

    Aggie238, your offensive line will have to protect Chuckie much better than they did in the Coliseum if he wants to shred the Cougars' secondary. I know USC's defense is legit, possibly a little better than BYU's, but blocking like that will still get him beat up against BYU.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Not a BYU fan, but I kinda feel sorry for KVN and the BYU defense generally. I mean, how would that feel to have a pretty darn good game, and then watch as your offense, particularly your QB, wads it up and throws it away like an old cheeseburger wrapper. And it's going to happen a few more times this season. I actually was mildly pulling for BYU this time (usually I pull for Utah in the Holy War) because if they had won it would preserve a shot at the Beehive Boot for U-State.

    Incidentally, BYU ought to be very, very concerned about Utah State. They will just follow Utah's blueprint and key on the run, which they are already excellent at stopping, and force Hill to throw over the defense, which we all know he can't do. Chuckie will shred BYU's secondary all night long.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Isn't there a chance for a rematch if both teams are bowl eligible at the end of the season?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Samurai Jake;

    Observations are different from being a sore loser. Look at the last minute of the Wisconsin game when the refs ran of the field, as an example.

    I find the cougs and utes pretty much equal. Offensive yards favored BYU--not the final score. Not scoring from the three yard line did them in. There was no domination here.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    The PAC winning all the close games this week shows the superiority of the league

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    As a BYU fan I will admit that Utah outplayed BYU. Utah is a very well coached team and quite talented. I think it is kind of naive for people to say talent is so much better on Utah's team.You look at the recruiting classes over the last 10 years they average almost the same. Utah has a qb that I think will be one of the best before he leaves. Utah outplayed BYU and won the game fair and square. Dres Anderson and Poole made big plays and definitely helped win the game. BYU play calling was not that bad receivers dropped passes and the qb can't throw. Utah will probably have a great couple of years and BYU will struggle with a poor passer. I hope Utah goes on to succeed, but I just want to be realistic to both groups of fans. The teams and talent are pretty much even. In the same conference BYU and Utah would be about the same. Congrats to the Utes on the win, and here is to hoping the Cougars learn how to throw and catch, and can become a better team.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    To Tom, Worfie and all the others blaming the outcome of the game on the "blatant" pass interference call.

    There is a new invention just out, so I know many of you may not have had a chance to use it, but it's called DVR. Really, Digital Video Recorder, it is amazing.

    You can actually record the game while it is being played, and then re-watch it at a later time. But the best thing is, you can view any portion of the game in slow motion. So, let's say you would like to watch what actually happened on a particular play. For example, say there was a pass play at the end of a certain game.DVR and/or slow-motion replay to the rescue. I know, it's hard to fathom.

    With this new invention, you can play any portion of a particular event over, and over, and over. You can even use the newly invented slow motion option to get a fantastic look at what actually happened. It truly is such an incredible idea. I hope it is here to stay. What will they think of next?

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    YES! A big win for my Utes. This is bigger than any bowl game but we will go bowling. This is just the beginning. We will be playing in the PAC12 championship game and go on to be the National Champions.

    We will go the rest of the season undefeated!

    Go Utes!!!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    I see Utah beating AZ and CU. That means they need to beat one of these teams: UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, USC, ASU or WAZZU. 5-7 is a real possibility. 6-6 best case. I'm not sure that gets them in 6th place to play BYU in the Kraft Hunger Bowl, that is if BYU can get bowl eligible itself. Some of these "easy" games for the Cougs aren't going to be so easy unless HIll and WR corp play better and/or Williams returns from injury. The Cougs need five more wins and I'm not sure I'm seeing it for sure, I see 7-5 best case.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    We were cheated again by the officials. That's 4 years in a row.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    I am embarrassed for some of these BYU commenters, you are not helping your cause.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    "IMO--Utah will not do well in the PAC."


    Because you have been so spectaculary wrong with all your opinions and predictions I'm actually encouraged about the Utes' prospects this season. Thanks again for your thoughtful analysis. Now, would you please find Tators so he could do the same.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    "Deceptive, corrupt politics. Hmm? Evenly matched teams all going PAC 12 way."

    Corrupt politics? What in the world are you talking about?

    As to your second assertion regarding evenly matched do know the difference between fact and opinion, right?

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Unless, of course, Utah is able to hold that 6th place spot in the PAC and remain bowl eligible -- Kyle may have one more shot in the Kraft Hunger bowl....

    Sept. 22, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    "and how about the blatant pass interference on the last play of the game that wasn't called?"

    I agree! It was clearly offensive pass interference, you can't pull a defender on top of you while you're trying to make a catch!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    @ Tom in CA

    "Right Snookie - and how about the blatant pass interference on the last play of the game that wasn't called?"

    If there was a pass interference call on the last play of the game. It would have been called on the BYU receiver that grabbed the Utah corner's jersey and pulled him down before he had a chance at the pick. Now that it's all said and done. The refs called a good game!

    Admit it now Tom and no more excuses! Utah was the better team last night! They got the job done!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:19 p.m.


    Your comment about corrupt politics dictating the outcome of those games is absurd. Not to mention extremely desperate. Try to be a reasonable loser, not a sore one.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 22, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    " ... Calling that penalty on Rowe was chicken those plays happened all game from both sides .... "

    Right Snookie - and how about the blatant pass interference on the last play of the game that wasn't called?

    Sept. 22, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @ worf

    Here is a comment you posted on July 26th.

    Not sure the utes will finish ahead of Colorado.
    After a beating from the Aggies, and Cougars, there won't be much gas left in the tank.

    Care to man up and admit you were wrong? The great thing about these posts is they are in writing and people can look at your comments. You talk a lot of trash and glad to see my team make you eat your words.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    "Cougar linebacker Kyle Van Noy will end collegiate career without win against Utah." How sad. KVN talked to the local media about his "hate" for Utah and and Utah's "hate" for byu. He also claimed that he returned for his senior year because he had "unfinished business." I wonder what he was referring to...hmmmmmmmm. Oh, well. Another year and another Utah win over byu.

    Can we get a sound bite from JD Falslev, please.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 22, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Let the wise observe and understand.

    * BYU vs Utah
    * USC vs Utah State
    * Arizona State vs Wisconsin
    * Utah vs Utah State

    Deceptive, corrupt politics. Hmm? Evenly matched teams all going PAC 12 way.

    IMO--Utah will not do well in the PAC. Not because of less talent, or coaching, but corrupt politics.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Hadley's absence had no bearing on the outcome. Beck actually had a very good game as his replacement. I feel bad for Van Noy, but he'll be playing on Sundays next year barring injury this year.

    The D played well enough to win. Once again the offense didn't hold up their end. Red Zone offense was pathetic! And I put most of the blame of that on the shoulders of Anae.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    I feel heartbroken for KVN. Even though the stat line won't look amazing, he had Wilson wrapped up at least 3-4 times and disrupted the offense for the entire game. For a lesser quarterback at least two of those would have been sacks. Unfortunately, Wilson isn't a lesser quarterback--he's the real deal and certainly seems capable of bringing the Utes out of the PAC12 cellar. Go work Utes, you certainly have our number.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    KVN decision to come back to complete his schooling was the right call. He is setting a great example for kids with similar backgrounds. If Kyle can go to BYU and complete his four year degree, then so can they.

    KVN played spectacular last night. He'll get over this loss as will the rest of Cougar nation. Next up is a big challenge athletically when Middle Tennessee State comes to town. While many fans dismiss small schools, MTSU has a lot more speed than either Utah or BYU has and could easily beat the Cougars. What MTSU lacks is discipline. The Cougars need to rebound and move forward.

    The Utes need to get better as well. UCLA is a beast. They may have the best passing QB in the PAC12. I thought his game against Nebraska was better than Manziel's was against Alabama. Its fortunate Utah has a bye to heal and prepare. Good luck to the Utes the rest of the way. Hope all Ute fans could equally wish BYU the same.

    Sept. 22, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    You win. It was a good game. Congratulations on stepping up with a quality win. Now sadly we shall not have this kind of great football again.


  • dustman Gallup, NM
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    I'm a Cougar. Our offense isn't very good, especially without Williams. Hill needs to share the ball. He's wasting Hoffman this year. Our Defense is fine. But Utah always seems more collected in these games. They keep their cool while BYU just plays catch up. "He gave us a chance to win, that's all I can ask for." What? Most coaches ask for the win, not just a chance to win. ugh.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    When will Bronco finally compliment an opposing team he loses to, especially the U. The U is a much more athletic team and since moving into the PAC 12 they are undefeated and their depth and skill level is increasing. Bronco appears to be a poor sport. "Evenly matched"... Tired of the excuses. Blechen is out yet no one made an excuse for the U. Calling that penalty on Rowe was chicken those plays happened all game from both sides. No more excuses. Be a fan and a good sport.

    Nicely Done!!

    Go UTES!!

  • KimmyP Granstville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    This was a great game for the Utes to show how far they've come with two full Pac 12 recruiting classes under their belt. It will be interesting to see the differences in each team again in two years as both teams go their seperate ways in terms of how they recruit and how well each can stock the rosters.

    Sept. 22, 2013 6:30 a.m.

    Just as Peyton went winless against Florida. A worthy adversary, and I wish nothing but good things for his future!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 22, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    The BYU D should be disappointed. They gave up huge chunks of yardage all night long. But BYU has to score more than 13 against its rival. This is a mental thing and the fact that these guys failed to gear up for this game 4 years running is totally pathetic.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 22, 2013 3:13 a.m.

    I respect Van Noy's decision to come back to BYU for his senior year. I don't know if I think it was a good decision, but Van Noy plays with a ton of pride and skill and his desire to go out on top before he leaves BYU is admirable. It hasn't worked out on the field for BYU but Van Noy is a guy anybody would want as a teammate.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 1:31 a.m.

    Told ya!