Doug Robinson: Don't pay players 'till college football is off welfare

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  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:57 p.m.


    Currently the tuition and fees at USU for 12-18 credit hours is $3092.32 per semester. Of that $456.05 is fees and of that $129.38 goes to athletics.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    Chris B:

    Even with the big win over the Y the Utes are not going to contend for anything in the PAC-12, let alone a national championship. After the honeymoon is over, the fan frenzy will lessen and stadium will be half-empty as many bemoan another 5-7 season.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    I'd be hard pressed to to improve on what this article is saying. I am not a sports person. When I attended USU I didn't attend one game. I don't know how much cheaper tuition would have been if my tuition hadn't subsidized the athletic teams, but I'd like to know that now.

    I like the approach BYU Idaho takes, they have intramural teams where everyone plays with other students at the same and that's it.

  • rmk South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    Every student at college is not paying there total cost of the education. Tax payers subsidize all schools rather public or private just through grants and loans. That doesn't even mention the tax breaks and money from the govemment. A student athlete is not able to work on the side. Between practice, school, study and travel to games there is barely enough time for some sleep. Just because you are an athlete doesn't mean you have a full scholarship, most sports only have scholarships for 1/3 of the players except football. Just do a search of NCAA scholarship limits. If you have do have a full scholarship, you still need school supplies, toiletries, and a little spending money. If your parents can't afford to give you any you got problems. These kids need some spending money, they money that people think they should make is only like $150 a month, which wouldn't go far.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    When are people going to wake up and realize that colleges are nothing more than sports franchises and that almost all of their programs are total scams? My degree can't even buy a token on the subway. I should've taken the money I spent on college and started a business instead.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Sept. 21, 2013 5:30 a.m.

    I fear that college football is soon to be dead as we know it. Only the biggest of the biggest schools will keep it going despite all those fans who want to subsidize it. Concussion related issues will probably do it all by itself, but if they decide to pay athletes, that will guarantee it. Concussion lawsuits are coming along with "image" (ala Ed O'Bannon) and schools are going to have to pay up in the tune of thousands in lawyer fees and millions in settlements or tens of millions in damages.

    BYU-I is looking smart in my opinion for changing their athletics to a student centered and internal setup with highly-competive and school sponsored intramural leagues.

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    I agree.... why don't we stop subsidizing all students educations. None of them are profitable to the university... well... ok a few generate money for the schools in the form of grants for research.... but the rest of them.... free loaders I tell ya. Lets have every student pay their fully loaded cost to be educated.

    The problem I have with the argument made here is it pretends all students are subsidized in one way or another.... they are all on the educational welfare role. If we are going to pick out students who aren't carrying their weight, lets do it to all of them.

    I think there is a way to make these players whole. I agree, you sell a Johnny Football Jersey - ok - it doesn't have his name on it but everyone knows whey people by a number 2 Texas A & M jersey... and it isn't because all the number 1's were sold out - that some how, eventually, some portion of those proceeds should filter his way, along with his team mates.

    So it is a problem.... but it isn't a welfare problem. Next thing you know they will be part of the 47% discussion...

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    How many buildings are left on the U campus that don't say "Eccles"? Sincere thanks, Spence and family, for making the U a better place for all students!

  • twinfallsid TWIN FALLS, ID
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    THANK YOU Doug Robinson! I wish sports fans would quit making excuses. Yes some sports make money, but the rest of the university never sees that money. It stays in the athletic department. If you want to support sports pay with your ticket price and donations, etc., but don't expect college students' tuition to pay for it. So wrong! What is the real reason for a university? It used to be education...
    My brother, who teaches at BYUI, was so thrilled when they got rid of athletics. No more making exceptions for them and getting pressure from the athletic director/coaches. He could get down to the real job of teaching and educating.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    The truth is that football is not on welfare, it is the other non-revenue sports that are on welfare by using the funding generated from the football program.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    I noticed how carefully Doug quoted "Athletic Department" budgets in his article. If we look a little closer and deeper Men's Basketball and Football we find they are already self sufficient at most major universities. The reason Athletic Department budgets are in need of student, booster and tax funds is because football cannot be expected to subsidize of all the non revenue sports.

    Say Doug, didn't you attend school on a track scholarship?

  • Mind Baggage Bentonville, AR
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Good article, Doug. The world of college is out of control. I see the only remedy as creating two separate leagues and letting each university make its choice. One league would be like a semi-pro conference where anything goes, booster recruitment, no NCAA regulations, players can make $$$, and they would not attend school at all. Basically the school would rent mercenaries to compete under their banner. This league would have their own championship. And they would be required to offer a 4-year fully paid college scholarship to their players whenever they choose to attend school in the future.

    The 2nd league would be comprised of student athletes and with all of the rules that every other sport lives under. Similar to what we have today but without the hypocrisy.

    I suspect universities like Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Stanford, BYU, and others would opt for the second league while Alabama, Michigan, Texas, USC and others would opt for the new league. I suspect only about 40 schools could reasonably take this mercenary approach. The rest of college football would go back to being a student-athlete sport. And ALL of us would feel better about no longer pretending.

  • EHSvoice Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Thanks Doug! This is a great article! The unfortunate side effect of such spending and disproportionate focus on athletics at the collegiate level is that it trickles down to the high school level and places a brutal burden on schools in small rural or less affluent communities. It would be refreshing if athletics were once again an extracurricular activity rather than expensive obsession.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    The boosters are also humanitarians that contribute to many charities.
    There are many contributions to the educational side of college also.
    If the stadium is full than obviously the fans consider the product worth the price of the ticket.

    I agree with Chris that the Utes in the Pac12 are a benefit to the University and the community.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    The Prestigious Pac 12 University of Utah is a boon to the local economy and a source of great pride for Utahns.

    I am more than happy to subsidize great sports programs as we compete for Pac 12 and national titles.

    Go UTES