Matthew Sanders: Can we have chivalry in the BYU vs. Utah rivalry?

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  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 21, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    Funny Res Novae, I feel the same way when I read the DMN, in need of a bath.

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    Sept. 21, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    More civility would be great. I have seen both good and bad on both sides. While at Rice Eccles stadium in '04, we had Utah fans throw food on us and threaten to kick us if we stood up and cheered. luckily, next to us was a lovely elderly Ute lady who was one of the kindest people I met. Instead of throwing food at us, she struck up kind and warm small talk. At Lavell Edwards stadium, I have been surrounded by wonderful fans. I have also been near the fans cursing like crazy against the Utes.

    The good fans make it all worth it. Hopefully, all the bad fans stay at home tonight and we just have the good fans at the stadium. Love your team and treat others with respect at the same time.

    Go Cougs!

  • Sunset Orem, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    I'm not sure the writer understands what chivalry means. Perhaps he meant civility or respect?

  • Leahcim New Copenhagen, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Next two years are going to be long without the Rivalry Game. I agree with previous poster, the annual match needs greater civility, not necessarily chivalry.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    Mormon Ute,

    I rub shoulders with some of true byu fans every day, they're nothing like the "fans" on these boards. A couple of them will be wearing Ute colors Monday, as a result of a friendly bet.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    I agree we need more civility, but then you get some like Chris B's alternate ego 2013 ute seniors... who stirs the pot. Just remember, the "premier program in the state" got mixed up with utah state on a schedule preview on national television.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Byu has had the last 3 years to learn to be a good sport when you lose and to show humility.

    So far you haven't learned. We'll keep beating you and you would think after losing to your rival four years in a row and having guys like van noy and Hoffman go their entire careers without beating Utah you would finally start to admit Utah is the premier program in the state.

    You will have three more years to show some humility, at least.

    I recommend you do so

  • Scouter Midvale, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Sick of the rivalry, and I won't miss it over the next few years.

  • Ronnie W. Layton, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Chivalry? I think he means civility. Especially he thinks we can instill more knight like qualities into the rivalry.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    At the Sugar Bowl against 'Bama, their fans were "politely confident" before the game. No offensive jabs, just lines like "it's nice of you guys to travel so far to support your team" or "good luck, I'll buy you a drink after the game" They had no idea what was about to hit them. We ended up buying drinks for their fans after the game, and it's true what they say about southern hospitality, they really were respectful and polite even in losing. One fan, an older guy you could tell had been a supporter for 50+ years, summed it up with this gem "win with class, lose with class" Well said, I thought. Too bad, it can't happen between friends, family and neighbors locally.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    This week is more evidence this series needs a time out.

    Sept. 20, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    It is unfortunate that a few fans on each side can ruin the experience for so many around them. It should be just a fun event with good manners and graciousness on each side. Bad manners should never be tolerated by those in the same fan base. When BYU played Ole Miss a few years ago we were treated to the best in graciousness by Ole Miss fans in The Grove. I hope BYU and Utah can both get to that point some day and not just with each other.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    I don't see how byu can continue to win with a Riley Nelson quarterback. Eventually every team they face will just play the run and stack the d line.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    I'd love to be part of the good natured rivalry pranks and banter this article pines for. I have had BYU fans around me at the game at RES and they've always been treated respectfully with nothing worse than a few good natured jabs. However, in my neighborhood I've had to retreat to just showing my Ute pride on my own property. I have had my driveway defaced and my flag stolen (and not returned) and even my cars have been maliciously decorated in ways that have taken major effort to remove. So I do not participate in any effort to tease BYU fans. I don't talk much to my BYU fan friends during rivalry week, unless they bring it up. I've had too many negative experiences. I enjoy the rivalry in my own way and leave BYU fans alone.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    It truly is sad

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Here here to making it more civil. I can't believe that a punk wearing blue, yelling at a mother who was trying to remind to act with some class, was not berated by any other fan who could witness the incident. Where did that take place? Were there other people around to put the clown in his place? What we need is more so-called BYU fans to take a trip to Southbend and learn some class. Then get the majority to call out unruly fans who are embarrassing our institution.

    Have class! Have fun! Have laughs! Cry when our team implodes (54-10)! Relish the revenge victory after this weekend, but have class in the process.

    To classy Utes everywhere, let me apologize in advance for ruining Ur weekend!

    BYU 52 Utes 7

    Go COUGS!!!

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Sports used to bring us together but now the U/BYU football rivalry divides us. There is no chivalry in the rivalry because there is precious little of it in our current Mormon/Non-Mormon divided culture.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Sept. 20, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    The rivalry has become increasingly toxic with too many fans using it as a proxy for underlying church and cultural tensions in Utah. The weirdness of events this week demonstrate the increasing escalation that's getting out of hand.

    Being across the country, I've turned to the online DN for updates on BYU sports. The discussions that follow are a microcosm of everything that's wrong with the rivalry, with fans attacking each other on every article months and months before the rivalry game. Frankly, the obsession some posters have with spamming articles and taking cheap shots is unhealthy, and anyone who reads the comments knows who I'm talking about. It's not worth participating in something that used to be good-natured rivalry banter when I was in school.

    I don't even bother reading the articles and comments in that other Utah newspaper. I feel the need to bathe afterwards.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 20, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    Dude, the bad behavior, and bad language, have almost nothing to do with football. The game is simply an excuse, or a vehicle. We'd all be better off without this game now that it doesn't have any conference significance.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    Classless behavior was my mother, brother, and wife attending BYU!

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    In short... no. It's people's outlet, that is what they use. Good luck.

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 19, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    I have attended sporting events at all three institutions. There are idiots at each location. What has bothered me most is when there are attacks or smears that are over the top. One should not have to put up with profane ignorant attacks at any sporting event and those that participate do themselves and their favored institution a disservice. I would prefer that religion be left our of sporting events but have found that the predominant religion in Utah is often targeted at sporting events even though a majority of those in attendance are often of that religion. Religious bigotry and persecution have no place at a sporting event. That being said, even with the profanity, hate speech and ignorance of the few who make it bad for the many. None of those locations could even come close to the idiocy that used to exist in Laramie, Wyoming back in the 70's and 80's. We all have a responsibility to be more civil and have fun with the instate competition. It is just a game and life as we know it will not end for half of us late Saturday night.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    byu fans are the least civil fans in the state. Have you noticed Utah state and Utah fans generally support each other and are good natured about the games they play?

    Besides, with BYU being a church school they really have the responsibility to act better.