Utah college and university presidents call for immigration reform

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  • razorback South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    I'm not interested in what a university president thinks about immigration laws. I am interested in what he thinks about how universities can lower the cost of getting a college education versus jacking it up 7-10% a year.

    Only silence.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    If Utah doesn't produce enough STEM graduates, it's these peoples fault. Country wide we graduate 3 stem majors for every new job.

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 8:38 p.m.


    Robert Rector of the Heritage foundation looks at the CBO with a broader view.

    Amnesty and citizenship would make 11.5 million illegal immigrants eligible for Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, and more than 80 different means-tested welfare programs such as food stamps and public housing. The average illegal immigrant is 34 years old and has a 10th-grade education. At that age, education levels would increase very little after amnesty.

    Under the Senate-passed amnesty bill, each current illegal immigrant would receive more than $900,000 in government benefits over his lifetime while paying around $300,000 in taxes—a net cost of more than $600,000 to taxpayers. Even if the wages of amnesty recipients were to soar by 25 percent, the long-term costs per recipient would be more than $500,000—costs ultimately borne by the American taxpayer."

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    Politifact and the CBO do not include local and state costs. Also we are not adding new jobs, we are replacing American workers. Subtract their income. The CBO clearly states that it will depress wages and raise unemployment during these ten years.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 6:18 p.m.


    Which law is broken? Our country is the most liberal in the world when it comes to green cards (1.2 million per year) and work visas (3.2 million per year). It appears the business interests pushing for more surplus workers are greedy, and it has nothing to do with broken laws. How can they be broken when they are not enforced?

    Our laws include promises of a border wall, e-verify, interior enforcement, and more judges (in the 1986 amnesty) and a visa entry-exit system in 1996, 2000 and 2004. None of these have been enforced. How can they be bad?

    Amesty has never stopped illegal immigration, it just encourages it. Only enforcement will stop it, this is what the majority of Americans want.

    I don't think appointed government officials should be encouraging illegal behavior, or putting others above American citizens.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    Here's a thought that I have offered before, education is big business, and the first rule of any organization is to grow. Universities make money by increasing enrollment, they get money from tuition, legislatures to build new buildings and higher salaries for everyone because they are bigger and more span of control, bigger responsibilities, etc..

    If we had no illegal immigrants, and therefore no illegal students at public supported colleges, we could trim faculty and staff as the declining birthrate would reduce the enrollment pool. Non performing curricula could be trimmed or made better. Low performing faculty could be retired or let go and universities could establish higher standards for admission providing a better qualified student body.

    This would force high schools to produce a better student for university, or have them enroll in community college to prove they are able to function in a university setting.

    I think the Ivory Tower needs a make-over and dose of reality.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Sept. 19, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    hey Icon, the present law is egregiously bad. you rule of law hooters need to start with ridding our code of laws of such egregiously bad stuff.
    I've been south of the border, we do have a relatively opulent economy. California has a good economy (sans gov't) and has a larger gdp than many European countries. I am part Utahn, I've lived in CA now 30+ years, I see my state of CA has been equalizing the treatment of latinos in California, an direction that I'm proud of, although there is a long ways to go. Wish Utahns would do the same.
    My calling out Mike Lee stands, he has no plan for helping our needy friends from south of the border, except a slightly modification to the status quo. And that's effectively a boot on their neck.
    I say stop holding up our existing immigration law as some kind of holy grail worth an ounce of praise. It is OK to disobey our bad laws.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak

    Here was something tested by Politifact and rated true:
    "U.S. Rep. David Cicilline says passing the Senate-approved immigration bill would save $200 billion of next ten years"

    So you know... next time you want to make fun of people with letters after their name claiming they don't have common sense... maybe you should actually be correct in your own assertions.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Again? Didn't they just call for reform a few weeks ago.
    Behind every advocate for amnesty there is a bail out. Universities have invited foreign students (preferring them to our own citizens), taught them, even gave them campus jobs (in violation of the law)...and now they aren't allowed to work after they graduate.
    So, they want us to bail them out from their folly.
    No Thanks.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "I wonder how much of their (200k +)salaries they would like to give up to provide for the care and upkeep of our illegal alien trespassers?"

    The CBO scored the immigration bill as reducing the deficit, not increasing it...

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    How can we provide for 20 million U.S. citizens already unemployed along with 30 million illegal immigrants?

    "dave4197" in Mexifornia we have a "relatively opulent" economy?

    Have you checked the debt level of your state recently?

    Where/when did Mike Lee (or anybody) put a "boot on the neck of a poor refugee"?

    We simply asked them to obey our laws. They've refused. But nobody put a "boot on their neck"!

    They're lawbreakers. You can like them all you want, but they're still lawbreakers.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Glad to hear the university presidents are in favor of the dream act, in favor of a path to citizenship. We have a blockage in immigration policy now, i.e. a perpetual motion that goes nowhere. We need a path to legal residency, to legal work, to citizenship if that's what an immigrant wants and not all want that.
    The Utah Compact spoke well about changes needed in immigration policy.
    But Utah's Sen Mike Lee is on the other side of the fence, he's for building more blockages to immigration, and his kind of immigration reform is to use a bigger boot on the neck of the poor refuge / immigrant.
    I stand for helping our friends from south of the border. We have a relatively opulent economy, we have good education, we have good health services. Our friends who walk across the border deserve true compassion from us, a hand up, a level playing field. I stand for helping, not blockading.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    And I call for people who wish to live in this country to obey the laws of this country.

    You can't break the law and then tell me you're going to be a law abiding citizen.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    And yet how many US students are turned away in favor of foreign-born students, who typically and of necessity come from the upper classes of their home country. If we honestly want to help those underdeveloped nations, we would promote applying their education to building up their own economies, which would include political science majors...if it weren't for the fact our universities are indoctrinating them in the philosophies that currently burden their home countries, economies and peoples.

  • dale richards Green River, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    These students have a way to citizenship.
    They need to apply. We need to be like
    most countries in the world, for example
    Australia, children born there are citizens
    from the country there parents are from.
    They have to request dual citizenship. If they
    (parents) want to become citizens they have
    three years to gain citizenship or
    they are deported.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    I always have suspected that there were a lot of people running around with letters behind their names who didn't have an ounce of common sense.
    This confirms it!

    I wonder how much of their (200k +)salaries they would like to give up to provide for the care and upkeep of our illegal alien trespassers?

    I wonder how many of the Presidents' quarters have mariachi music playing til 2 a.m. outside THEIR house?

    Have they ever been the victim of identity theft? Did they just have their "secretary" deal with it?

    The graduates from these colleges aren't even finding jobs. Why do they want to invite more to TAKE jobs from americans?

    As common middle-class American citizens we all have the OBLIGATION to contact our elected representatives to present counter-arguments to elitists who always seem to "know what's best".
    In reality, they don't have a clue!
    BTW - why does the Utah board of regents hire folks who support lawbreakers?

    To University Presidents: If you want to "fix" something; how about starting with your parking lots?