Doug Robinson: When did BYU become a running team?

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  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:48 a.m.


    Your argument is pointless, because you're cheering for the wrong team. Go Packers!


    Your comebacks need work. "Less is more." Trying way too hard to prove your genius in every post gets old.

    Go Utes!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    I'll have to take your word for it concerning all of the national press articles after BYU's impressive victory over Texas, since you obviously pay way more attention to BYU than anyone else I know... even us ardent fans. Hence, the reputation you have for your growing obsession with all things BYU. But in case you forgot, even you admitted right afterward that you were wrong and that it was a very good win for BYU... something I commended you for at the time.

    However, I did notice BYU getting a lot of accolades on national TV after their Texas win. They also jumped way ahead of Utah in the Sagarin rankings... which was commendable, though not unexpected. It all kind of sets the stage for their big followup victory this Saturday... though this time it will no longer be an upset... except with you, Spokane Ute, azute, and a perhaps a few other bellicose people on the hill.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    After the U plays Oregon....the national media surely will have something to say RE: the Ute's ineptitude.

    Fact: Utah doesn't go to bowl games anymore.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    This is something that BYU has been working for for a really long time. BYU never wanted to be solely a passing offense, why are we now questioning the logic?

  • Mr. Plate Lindon, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    C'mon Tators - you and I are for the same team. You're just serving up way too easy pickin's for Chrissy B Schadenfruede, Pretty Blue Robin Eggs, and Grasshopper Jake. Taysom Hill has shown beastly running ability, but by any and all standards, his passing game has been abysmal. Even though his receivers have dropped too many passes, there have been several fine circus catches as well, that should have been better placed. I think we both believe Hill's passing game will improve and he'll be just fine, but as for this moment in time, Wilson clearly has better all-around statistics, and more experience. He looks pretty good as a quarterback, despite his interceptions, and I think BYU will have their hands full with him.

    Let time do it's thang, and I'll wager you can talk the trash with cred by the end of the season. Stopping BYU's running game won't be as easy as they think (just plug up the holes - why didn't Texas think of that!), and the defensive disparity is quite a bit larger than Wilson's seeming superiority over Hill in the passing game.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    When did the Y become a running team? After Max Hall graduated and Brandon Doman took over. Now BYU brings back Anae but the missing link is a passing QB. Hill was recruited by Doman to come in and run his option attack and now Anae is stuck trying to make a passing QB out of the kid. Drop back passing isn't a natural thing for Hill - you can tell - and the U of U is going to press man to man defense and force Hill to be accurate. My guess is Hill will just take off and try to run the ball but that is exactly what the U wants and they will be ready. I am betting the U defense shuts down the BYU offense for the most part this game.

    prediction: U 34 Y 24

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    BYU became a running team when Texas couldn't stop the QB keeper. The same as when Ole Miss became a running team, when they played Texas. BYU won't run all over Utah like they did Texas, no way! I'm looking forward to this game, talk is cheap.

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 19, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    They will talk about how amazing BYU is after pummeling Utah this weekend! Until then...

    Edwards developed an offense that allowed his hardworking blue collar RMs to compete with the rest of college football. The surprising result was that his teams excelled in both passing and rushing.

    Anae knows this. Anae's teams minus the Heaps debacle in 2010, have all done very well in passing and total offense. Now he has found a method that he didn't invent but has observed to be very potent, and probably the next best thing to enable BYU offense in the new college football world of spread offenses. The hurry up is very effective once the team is developed and can master execution. Two games will not prove that BYU has mastered it. Neither will 3 or an entire first season. However, so far, we have good reason to like our odds against Utah. When GFGH is stable, we will see some of the old Edward's West Coast creep back into the playbook, and then BYU will again rise to prominence.

    Go COUGS!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 9:20 a.m.


    Have you noticed that all national media is mocking Texas for losing to byU.

    I have yet to see an article about how amazing byu is.

    If byu was so impressive, why didn't they replace Texas in the rankings?

    And did you see what a go fast go hard offense did against Virginia?

    Oregon 59
    Virginia 10

    You guys really should have gone fast and hard in that game, that seemed to be the key.

    Oh, you did?


  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    @ Samurai Jake, Brave Sir Robin and ekute:

    Here are some meaningful facts that you can't dispute...

    Taysom Hill has defeated a nationally ranked team this season, and in such an impressive fashion as to drop it out of the rankings.

    Travis Wilson, on the contrary, has not beat any ranked teams... not this season or ever. And his current qb stats are exaggerated by playing a division II team. On top of that, his team is currently ranked not as highly as Taysom Hill's team... and ithey are listed as the underdog to Taysom Hill's team as they approach their game against each other on Saturday.

    All meaningful and verifiable facts!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    "When did BYU become a running team?"

    BYU has had many outstanding running teams in the past. For example:

    BYU vs Utah 1996

    With Steve Sarkisian as BYU's starting QB, BYU dominated Utah 37-17 mostly on the ground:

    BYU rushed 63 times for 366 yards and 4 TDs
    BYU completed 7 of 12 passes for 70 yards, 0 TDs, passing efficiency rating 107.33.

    Hardly the profile of a "passing" team, yet Sarkisian won the 1996 Sammy Baugh Trophy (awarded to the Nation's Best Passer).

    Bottom line - BYU has often had the tools to be a dominant running team; the Cougars simply haven't chosen to employ those tools as much.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    When Heaps was mismanaged. LaVell is shaking his head.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    "Uh, Wiscougarfan, I think you have Taysom Hill and Travis Wilson confused. Taysom Hill hasn't played Utah State..."

    I know this may be a little bit confusing, but Wiscougarfan was making references to last year's game against Utah State. We had some clues when he mentioned that the Utah State team ended the season ranked #18. If you want some textual evidence that Hill actually played that game and put up some good passing stats, look at the ESPN article from October 5, 2012 about the BYU / Utah State game.

    I am excited for this game, and I expect to see some good passing and running from the Cougars. I don't think the Utes really know what to expect from this game.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:03 p.m.

    Uh, Wiscougarfan, I think you have Taysom Hill and Travis Wilson confused. Taysom Hill hasn't played Utah State...that was Utah and Travis Wilson. Please tell me you know who your beloved team has (and hasn't) played. Utah has played two good teams (Oregon St. and Utah St.) and one bad team (Weber St.). BYU has played two bad teams (ACC doormat Virginia and 1-2 Texas).

    Pro tip for you: If you want your opinion on football to be taken seriously, know which team has played which opponent.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    RE: Samurai Jake

    "Your "fact" is meaningless. Here's one for you: Taysom Hill has thrown 50% more interceptions than touchdowns! Now, here's the straight facts for ya:"

    Your "straight facts" are meaningless when you consider Wilson's two games came against two of the worst teams in all of college football. Tayson Hill, on the other hands, has actually played some real competition. His QB rating against Utah State (a team that finished ranked #18) was 124 and he had about 200 yards passing, 100 yards rushing, and his team won.

    It doesn't matter who spins what, this weeks game should be a grudge match. One of the best rivalries in the nation. Can't wait. Go Cougs!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Mr. Robinson, Where have you been the last two season? BYU played a quarterback with a broken back all last year and he rant he ball because he couldn't hit the ocean with the ball if he was standing on the beach. But he had trouble running, too.

    Now they have a quarter back that's new, but he can run and his passing game is out of whack because his receivers have dropped at least 8 balls that they should have caught. One cost them a win at Virginia. But I wouldn't expect the sportswriters to note any of that because they're all too busy saying BYU can't pass, Texas was lousy, OSU was lucky, etc. Why haven't we heard about how USU self-destructed in SLC? Oh, it's all because the Utes are soooo great and have suuuuuuuuuch a hard schedule. Well, maybe you ought to take notice of trends and not question the obvious.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:10 p.m.


    And yet another fact...Travis Wilson has played 50% more games than Taysom Hill so far this season.

    You can try to spin it however you want, but the bottom line is Wilson is a good passer while Hill is not.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:08 p.m.


    Another fact...Travis Wilson has attempted 75% more passes than Taysom Hill has so far this season.

    QB ratings don't lie.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:40 p.m.


    Your "fact" is meaningless. Here's one for you: Taysom Hill has thrown 50% more interceptions than touchdowns! Now, here's the straight facts for ya:

    Taysom Hill:
    CMP 22 ATT 66 YDS 304 CMP% 32.8 YDS/A 4.54 TD 1 INT 2 RAT 69.9
    CAR 28 YDS 301 AVG 10.8 LONG 68 (TD) TD 4

    Travis Wilson:
    CMP 50 ATT 80 YDS 845 CMP% 62.5 YDS/A 10.56 TD 7 INT 3 RAT 172.6
    CAR 24 YDS 244 AVG 10.2 LONG 51 (TD) TD 5

    Wilson averaging over 10 yards by ground OR air? Sweet! QB rating 2 1/2 times higher than Mr. Hill? Right on! Completing twice as many passes? Righteous!
    Sounds like we're winning the QB war!

    Go TW! And Go Utes!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    A fact... Travis Wilson has thrown 50% more interceptions than Taysom Hill has so far this season.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    I don't think most true Cougar fans care if we pass or run the ball. The desired result is to win. The end will justify the means.

    Go Cougars!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    When they realized Taysom forgot how to throw a football.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    BYU has been mostly running the ball for 2 primary reasons:

    1) That is what the opposition has been given them and what has worked the best so far.
    2) Both of their games have been played in very wet, rain-delayed settings. Not exactly the best kind of weather to pass in.

    Assuming the weather is better this Saturday, we will almost assuredly see a much better passing game from BYU this game. One of the primary reasons Hill was so highly recruited out of high school (even by multiple PAC12 teams) is because he was also such a good passer, as evidenced by his statistics in high school.... very similar to Wilson's high school passing statistics. It will very soon be seen again. Patience.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    When you have quarterbacks that throw 33% and throw as many touchdowns to opposing teams like we've seen from byu lately...