D.C. massacre: Gun usage, violent video games cloud shooter's past

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  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    @Rural sport fan
    "a misleading statistic due to the fact that more than half of those deaths are suicide, so those people could have used any number of other methods..."

    Gun suicides have a higher... success rate (I realize that's a morbid way of putting it). Other methods tend to be slower and involve more time for the individual attempting it to change their mind.

    "But lets compare that to the 40,000 deaths caused by automobiles annually, shall we? "

    Sure. Does that mean we can have a universal gun registration and required training to make sure the person using them knows how to use them responsibly? While I'm for gun control, I don't support bans on all guns. I just think we need smarter regulation to make sure that guns are only (as much as possible) in the hands of responsible people.

    "Obviously, people who play violent video games don't like to make correlations concerning them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. "

    Correlation vs causation. Do people who play violent video games develop an interest in guns or do people with an interest in guns develop an interest in violent video games?

  • arand Huntsville, u
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Has he been checked for drugs? I seems they never tell us that.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Re: Rural Sports Fan:
    Your logic is flawed. Stating the worn out "Guns don't kill, people kill." How about grenades don't kill, people kill. Would you feel comfortable with people buying grenades. Use your head. People with guns kill a lot of people and these horrible events are becoming common place in our society because we are failing to address the gun issue. Yes, a lot of gun deaths are suicides. Is that good logic? distraught people easily kill themselves with a gun. It is difficult to O.D. and it is difficult to stab yourself to death. Reducing violent death - self inflicted or not should be our goal. Please think through the lack of logic in the NRA's position.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Taters: I don't play violent video games and don't like them. Do you have a source for the assertion that "most mass killers have histories with violent games"? I would also take issue with your claim that "Owning a gun doesn't effect [sic] how a person thinks..." You've heard the expression, "Give a guy a hammer and everything becomes a nail"? Someone with a gun is far more likely to feel the need to use it in a confrontation than someone who doesn't have one.

    A quick note for "Heisenburg": The game is called "Chutes and Ladders", not "Shoots and Ladders," and it has nothing to do with shooting or guns.

  • BigBuddha Chandler, AZ
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Too bad the Missionaries had not knocked on his door a few days before this happened
    He could have been saved and perhaps not commited this horrible crime against his fellow man and himself?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    100% of people who murder someone with a gun had a gun. Less than 100% of them played violent video games.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Obviously, people who play violent video games don't like to make correlations concerning them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Very few violent video game users become mass killers, but most mass killers have histories with violent games. It's a correlation and a fact that can't and shouldn't be ignored.

    Owning a gun doesn't effect effect how a person thinks nearly as much as how long-term usage of violent games (acting out violence) does. Psychologists are coming to that conclusion more and more often... like it or not. To most of us, that's just common sense.

  • Heisenburg Albuquerque, NM
    Sept. 18, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    I heard he also played Monopoly, Sorry, and Shoot and Ladders! SHOOTS AND LADDERS PEOPLE When are we going to put a stop to the madness of these horrid games?!? How can we NOT expect sane individuals to go on a shooting rampage after 6 hours of Shoots and Ladders???

  • kiapolo Washington, DC
    Sept. 18, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    I would guess that the side effects of his prescription medications had more to do with his delusions and violence than some pixels on a screen.

  • AW10185 In, The United States, 00
    Sept. 18, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    Violent video games and gun usage - same old song from both extreme ends of the party affiliation spectrum. As people previously mentioned, perhaps it's his PTSD, or alcoholism, or perhaps he was just a poor individual who was not mentally stable from childhood. Perhaps finger pointing shouldn't be directed towards "Zombie" video games and firearm ownership. Perhaps the government should take a long and hard look at who they accept and what they put those people through.

    Furthermore, why doesn't anybody raise the theory that virtual violence could be a therapeutic outlet to vent rage and frustration rather than turn to actual violence. Heaven forbid somebody ever has an intelligent discussion about this.

    Sometimes, I think it's an 80/20 rule in this country: with the 80 percent being people are ridiculously and sadly ignorant or stupid or both. And the loudest voices are the dumbest of the 80%. I've lost hope in this nation.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    So guns are involved in 30,000 deaths per year...a misleading statistic due to the fact that more than half of those deaths are suicide, so those people could have used any number of other methods...

    But lets compare that to the 40,000 deaths caused by automobiles annually, shall we? By the way, those deaths are mostly accidental...can you imagine the carnage if people used cars intentionally as weapons of destruction?

    No one is saying we should wake up and ban automobiles, are they? SO why the ridiculous call for guns to be banned?

    Maybe people should grow up and realize that guns aren't the problem, people are the problem, and if we really want to make things better, we need to quit whining about the methods used by nut jobs and criminals, and take better care of people.

  • kiapolo Washington, DC
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    D.C. Massacre by Rockstar Games , see realistic blood splatter as you blow the brains out of innocent people ,awesome....Until you Americans grow up and COMPLETELY eliminate guns forever and take responsibility for the sick stuff available in movies and games this will keep on happening and there is nothing you can do about it.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    If there were a causal relationship between violent video games and acts of violence, we'd have hundreds of thousands of these shootings every day. The probability of video games causing this behavior is so miniscule as to be statistically insignificant. Let's look instead at the common factors among these various shootings: mental illness, lack of self control, and easy access to guns.

  • Gail Fitches Layton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Despite every indication that Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was on SSRI drugs that have been linked to dozens of previous mass shootings, the mainstream media has once again avoided all discussion of the issue, preferring instead to blame the tragedy on a non-existent AR-15 that the gunman didn’t even use. This really needs to come out, because these drugs are making people do things they normally would not do. Why is it that we are not talking about these pharmaceutical drugs that are linked to just about every mass shooting? Why are these drugs even on the market? These are the real questions that need to be asked, but are avoided, because the pharmaceutical industry has too much power over our lives and the media.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Conservatives never realize when they argue against their own arguments do they? It's called hypocrisy.

    So replace video games and guns with "marijuana" and you've also made the case why marijuana shouldn't be illegal. It can't cause any negative externalities according to your theories. Nothing has any externalities according to conservatives.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    ‘He can start drinking at 9:30 in the morning. He drinks often and for fun, but it was never a problem.’

    Actually, drinking throughout the day is one of the most clear indications of a drinking problem. This 'friend' was an enabler, and should feel guilty for not trying to get his 'best friend' some help.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    The compassion of the right for the mentally ill is touching, really it is. I love how they want to get these people healed so that the fact that they own guns is not such a scary proposition.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    Here we go again. Of course it was the tools and not the perpetrator. And of course there will be people who buy into it. Amazing.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    Let's continue to blame everything else - and not the simple fact that he had easy access to guns. Every year for the past ten years, 30,000 people have lost their life to gun violence. From suicides to murder, we continue to accept this nonsense. We need effective gun control laws that will screen gun buyers in more detail. I hope my Utah Congressional delegation will support laws that screen gun purchasers in a more thorough manner - including gun shows. We need to stop avoiding this obvious problem.

  • YeahUmm Nowhere, OK
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:10 a.m.

    Know what else was in the shooter's past? HEARING VOICES. When will the media give up on trying to find a correlation between violent video games and people who commit violent crimes? As Darrel so eloquently pointed out, you might as well try to find a correlation between people who eat potato chips and violent crimes. I guarantee you that 90% or more of the people who have killed someone with a gun in this country have eaten potato chips at least once in their life. THAT'S IT! WE HAVE TO BAN POTATO CHIPS! AND KAYAKING! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    looks like crisis actors may be involved in this violent production. The powers trying to push their agenda upon the American people don't care how many people they have to kill in the process as long as they get what they want.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    Remember, guns don't kill people. Violent video games do.

    Wait, what?

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    I'm sorry, we have moved passed the 1980's. Saying someone plays video games is similar to saying they eat potato chips.

    If it's the gunman and not the gun, then why is the video game and not the video gamer?

  • bolshaya_kartina Boise, ID
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    Perhaps...but the extreme violence of video games are certainly not in the clear, and to merely rule out in ones own mind that they are not a factor seems like a hazardous mental stretch.

  • Thomas Paine South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    Really, "violent video games cloud shooter's past" in the headline? His alcoholism, gun use, and video games are symptoms not causes of his depression and PTSD. The real issue that should be addressed isn't that he liked violent video games; rather it is that the shooter had mental health problems that went untreated and unresolved.