Steve Young says he wants to build bridges with LGBT community

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  • Red San Antonia, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    If you support Gay's and Lesbians who are helping destroy families then you are against families. Right? You would have to agree with that to a degree.

    If you are against families then you are against Christ because that is the central focus of His plan.

    So, basically you are Anti-Christ.

    Think long and hard before you decide to parade around wearing that badge!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Steve Young has my full respect and has for a long time. I bleed red but that matters not when it comes to recognizing the character of Steve Young.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Building bridges to the "gay community" is strictly a one-way bridge to them, nothing in return. Compromise to them means do it their way as they wish or they'll hold their breath. No compromise or no attempt to show empathy to those who believe differently than them. Their way or the pink highway.

  • PTM ,
    Sept. 27, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    If God is all knowing and all powerful and created all things then God created homosexuals, just as he/she created heterosexuals. Maybe your problem is with God, not homosexuals.

    Heterosexuals have certain feelings; and can act on them. But homosexuals have those same; certain feelings; and shouldn't act on them? So says a book written by man purported to be the word of God. Why test homosexuals, but not heterosexuals in the same fashion. Perhaps the test isn't for homosexuals. But is a test for the rest of us to see if we truly understand the lessons we all should have learned about what it means to be human; to treat others with respect and kindness and charity.

    If you don't want to fully include homosexuals in your church, you have that right. And you can build all the bridges you want, but no one will cross them if they are treated in a second class way once they get to the other side. They may take a nostalgic stroll over, but aren't likely to stay.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    To "Bob K" if a gay mormon teen had a boyfriend, he is already comitting sin. He knows that it is wrong to be acting out on his feelings is wrong before he lies to cover his tracks.

    Would you raise your child to think that his urges are more important than God's commands? Or that your child "knows more" than the Prophets who speak for God?

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:08 a.m.

    May I suggest that God does not have a pen, so that Scriptures have passed through the hands of men, and may need new interpretations?

    What happens if your mormon son is Gay and is seen out with his boyfriend? Is it not a sin to tell a lie when asked who he was with? Would you raise only your Gay kid to be a liar and to be ashamed of who he is? Suppose your son is quite effeminate or your daughter quite butch, so that lying is especially stupid.

    Where in Scripture does Jesus say "Lie or be silent in situations where others speak up, so no one has to deal with your being different"?

    No one young in a medium or big city thinks Gay people should lie. Everyone knows it leads to problems and more lying.

    I recall so well, years ago, "Why don't those Black people just act like us, and why don't they stay on their side of town?"

    Churches need to spend more time asking God how to deal with their Gay sons and daughters, and less time devising rules about how to treat them as 2nd or 3rd class citizens.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 19, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Bob K

    "Let's keep it to one church: can you tell me why persons raised in lds families, with lds traditions, who are Gay, would not want to be married in the temple?
    Would you not want all your children to be equal?"

    Referring to marriages performed in the Temples:

    And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise… they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. D&C 132:19

    This essentially is saying that sealed couples of the opposite sex will have the privilege of having children in the eternal worlds. God sees marriage as between male and female. The scriptures support this.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Judy Finch's comment is all wrong. God did not make Gay children...we were perfect and it's our choices that change that. As for Steve Young's choice to be involved I believe it is a way to receive more attention and notoriety. The Proclamation says it the way it veer away from the Truth and there will be heartache and pain. The Lord loves all of his children but does not and will not tolerate those who harm His children and choose to go the other way. There will always be consequences for our choices.

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    RobRaven I just wanted to tell you that you rock! One day, I pray, one day you will be able to live more comfortably. I am so thankful you are out in the open and love who you are. GOD loves you as you are.

    We LDS sometimes forget that we too had "sexual sins" that were just ungodly wrong to the rest of the world: POLYGAMY. Shame on us for judging and not loving!

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    Sept. 19, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    As a straight LDS myself, I can say I LOVE MY LGBT brothers and sisters! I was at this event! I felt love that I had never felt before. I felt forgiveness, I felt people reaching out, I felt hurt and pain that I knew I would never feel because I am not ostracized by the very community that is supposed to love me the MOST.

    Nosea asked how can one be a member of the LGBT community and still be in good faith with the church. REALLY? How can one judge our gay brothers and sisters and consider THEMSELVES in good standing? These folks WANT to be part of our church but they are given a choice---celibacy for the rest of their lives, or live in hiding with a partner.

    Their families often say, "You are dead to me! Pack your things and leave!" They give up prospects of marriage and the benefits of it, as well as the warmth and love of companionship when they come out and still want to go to church. The sacrifice is great, and it is a total SHAME.

  • Cookie999 Albuquerque, NM
    Sept. 18, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    I know a counselor, raised LDS, who helps people with same-sex attraction. She says a fraction have a hormone pattern erroneously configured before they were born. She uses non-invasive therapy to help them change. The rest choose homosexuality/lesbianism due to other pressures. Last I heard she was moving out of the country. It's uncertain what the percentage is with a hormone imbalance; it probably varies individually. But if there is order in the universe, and if God created male and female, it stands to reason there is someone for everyone of the opposite gender. Maybe it's impossible to meet this person in this life, but it's harder to meet this person if one purposely chooses a lifestyle which interferes with meeting someone of the opposite sex. In my opinion a same-sex attraction often means: 1)There is someone of the opposite sex with those same qualities to meet later on, and 2) It is time for one of those two people to move away from the other one (to another state/country or job) because you can't have too many people with extremely similar physical characteristics and personality qualities in the same place.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    I understand that they would want to get married in the church they were raised in. But if in the case of some churches allowing such would mean that the church's doctrine is untrue, and by extention, the church is not true. This is particularly the case with the LDS Church that believes its leaders are prophets, seers, and revelators. If homo marriage is allowed in the temple then everything taught in the temple is not true and therefore the church is not true. You see the problem? If homosexuals want to be treated with love and respect by church members I'm right in line, but if they want temple marriage it can't work. It is not feasible.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    To "Bob K" establishing a state religion is quite different from allowing churches and government to co-mingle when appropriate. For example, a display of the 10 commandments on public property is not an endorsement of a specific religion. There are many religions that believe in the bible. However, it is not a separation of church and state. The state and a church have joined together on a project that hopefully beautifies and edifies. The same can be said for crosses or statues of religious icons on public property. As long as there is not favortism of a single religion over all others, what harm is it to allow religion and government to co-mingle?

    To "LDS Liberal" currently the government is trying to establish Secular Humanism (athiesism) as the state religion. The IRS has recognized it as a religion, and it does meet the definition of religion that states that it is a set of beliefs. You are correct that it isn't the government destroying freedoms, it is Progressivism/Liberalism.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:11 a.m.


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    Cambridge, MA

    To "JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt" there is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state. That was invented later and has been perpetuated as fact when in reality it is a myth.

    The Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Establishing a religion means that the government cannot set up a state religion, like the Church of England.
    8:17 a.m. Sept. 17, 2013


    OK RedShirt --

    What religion is the Government trying to establish,
    and which ones is it trying to keep Free?

    Ask yourself those very same questions,
    and see who's REALLY trampling the Constitution and the religious freedom of all Americans.
    [Hint: it ain't the Government.]

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 18, 2013 4:32 a.m.

    Cambridge, MA
    To "JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt" there is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state. That was invented later and has been perpetuated as fact when in reality it is a myth.
    The Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Establishing a religon means that the government cannot set up a state religion, like the Church of England.

    It is very hard to see why someone could claim that "no established relgion allowed" is not separation of church and state.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 18, 2013 12:34 a.m.

    Spider Rico
    Greeley, CO
    Please explain to me how a homosexual person could believe a church that is against is true and then turn around and decry the fact that the church does not allow them to marry or practice homosexuality? Please explain it to me. And don't come back by saying my God or church is made up because that is not an answer to my question.

    Answer: Let's remember that Gay people who want to marry in a church want to marry in their own church, in which they were raised. There are churches that are happy to marry their Gay members, although most same sex weddings are performed elsewhere.
    Let's keep it to one church: can you tell me why persons raised in lds families, with lds traditions, who are Gay, would not want to be married in the temple?
    Would you not want all your children to be equal?

    There is NO documented case of any Gay couple trying to force a church to marry them, although there was a case of a church that had a public wedding hall available to anyone off the street except the Gay couple who applied.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    In essence, Steve Young is trying to "love the sinner and hate the sin".

    THAT is Christ-like.

    The problem is that the homosexual crowd is interpreting Steve Young's kindness as "homosexual actions are not sin".

    When it becomes clear to them that is NOT what Steve Young is saying, they'll turn on him in about 2.4 seconds...

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 17, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Please explain to me how a homosexual person could believe a church that is against is true and then turn around and decry the fact that the church does not allow them to marry or practice homosexuality? Please explain it to me. And don't come back by saying my God or church is made up because that is not an answer to my question.

  • MJ Annie LAYTON, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Why do LDS church leaders and members spend so much time debating and judging same-sex attraction/gays/gay lifestyle/gay identity, etc? It seems so crude, immature, and just plain wrong to focus on a person's genitals instead of their soul. I think it's beautiful when two people discover a deep emotional connection and want to commit to helping each other through this life. Love makes the world a better place. Given all the horrible things going on in the world (starvation, war, violence, and human trafficking to name a few), I wonder why people choose to focus on this. I suspect it's because they don't derive any pleasure in pondering REAL problems with REAL victims and all the REAL suffering going on. Those things aren't titillating and enjoyable. It's much more fun for them to focus on sex organs and what they think people should and shouldn't be doing with them. It's so juvenile.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    ay Ophelia, just read the Bible on Leviticus 18:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and also 1 Timothy 1:9-11. We have to stand for what is right and normal, do not try to change the order of nature God Established, tolerance Yes, acceptance NO. NEVER.

  • DocHolliday reno, NV
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Truthseeker -

    Nice try. so in 1949 when the first presidency said it was a direct revelation from god and a doctrine not a policy they were wrong? Or is it that the first presidency now is wrong in saying they don't know where it came from? It can't be both. Either the previous first presidency was wrong or the current one is wrong. Which one is it? This is how the church has wiggled out of uncomfortable doctrines. No matter if it was said to be revelation or a vision or anything, the current first presidency can just say it was his opinion and it wasn't doctrine.

  • Silverprospector SAN ANTONIO, TX
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:11 a.m.


    Your train of thought is confusing. Did god make depressed people? Yes. Did he make bipolar, autistic, downs syndrome, obsessive compulsive, psychopathic, paranoid people? Yes, all of the above. I am in no way comparing homosexuals to a disease, but yes god does make people the way they are. Whether they are physical differences, or mental, yes god made them that way. Do you think somebody who is bipolar chose to be that way? Get real.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 17, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    To "JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt" there is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state. That was invented later and has been perpetuated as fact when in reality it is a myth.

    The Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Establishing a religon means that the government cannot set up a state religion, like the Church of England.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    Thank you for your citation here. There appears to be some serious revising going on here, even changing some section headings of the Doctrine and Covenants to absolve leaders of their involvement in the matter.
    But instead of clarity it clouds the issue. What is doctrine and what is merely "practice"? And do statements from the PR department and clarifications to curriculum materials have any real authority?
    The church is facing political pressure to ordain women. Is there bedrock doctrine to ban such practices? Methinks it would have to be chapter and verse from canonized scripture to withstand revision.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    It's strange this obsession with claiming God made gays that way. It's a logical fallacy that leads to the belief all behaviors are "God's design". Did God make achoholics that way? Did God make people who are depressed that way? Do we then have to accept achoholism as a lifestyle to be celebrated? It's a confused world we live in.

  • donn layton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    RE: Separation of Church and State PROTECTS the LDS Church. It is what STOPS other religions from legislating the LDS CHurch as a cult separation of Church and State PROTECTS the LDS Church. It is what STOPS other religions from legislating the LDS Church as a cult.
    True, Signs of a cult:

    1 Deify man: Man can become God. 2. Humanize God, Deny God is one eternally. 3. Minimize sin, Instead of man’s very nature. 4. Ostracize and add to scripture 5. A diiferent Jesus (exalted man) 6. Different spirit(familiar)7. Secret sacreds or sacred secrets closed to the outside 8. The only true church …..and many more

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:21 p.m.


    From the LDS website:

    "At some point the Church stopped ordaining male members of African descent, although there were a few exceptions. It is NOT KNOWN precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the Church, but it has ended."

    "“The origins of priesthood availability are not entirely clear. Some explanations with respect to this matter were made in the absence of direct revelation and references to these explanations are sometimes cited in publications. These previous personal statements do not represent Church doctrine.”

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    I am LDS, educated, temple recommend holder and fully understand why there is a separation of Church and State in the Constitution. It was written to prevent and discourage the raising of one religion over another as the King of England did when he started his own church and became the head of it.

    Separation of Church and State PROTECTS the LDS Church. It is what STOPS other religions from legislating the LDS CHurch as a cult. It protects the LDS CHurch from Southern states from enacting laws against being LDS or practicing our faith. Separation of Church and State is what keeps self labeled "Real Christians" from passing laws that say LDS Temple ordinances can be kept sacred and private and not open.

    Separation of Church and State protects people from having to live under Sharia law if a state elected a Muslim legislature and governor. It keeps extreme right wingers from enacting Christian Sharia law on others that are not Christian. Want to see where Church and State mixed, ask Gov. Boggs and his extermination order on Mormons which was UnConstitutional yet was allowed to happen. Keep CHurch and State separate.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Sept. 16, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    @ Hunam
    You wrote:
    "So who do I trust, when I can hardly trust my own mind and everyone claims they know what God wants..."

    Nobody else knows what God wants for YOU Only you can know, "the Glory of God is intelligence" well, think about it: Are you a son of God? Does God make mistakes? Does God love you? Why am I gay? I have no idea, yet, I am.

    What you are going through is what most of us have gone through. Praying, fasting, working hard in the church, read and mediate in the scriptures, hoping for that miracle that doesn't come.

    My brother, the peace will be given to you when you accept yourself as a son of God. Accepting being gay or heterosexual for that matter, is not rejection of God, on the contrary, is actually accepting him, his creation and his designs for YOU.

    You are not dirty, you are not an abomination, you are a child of our Heavenly Father. Please read Psalm 8 it was written for you.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    The LDS Church can still maintain it's own policies without solemnizing civil same gender marriages. Yes, church and state can remain separate.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    How short our memories are! The Church spent a large sum of money in support of Proposition 8 in California. Now that the United States Supreme Court has pointed out that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional, the Church is attempting to dance around this issue. It is a dance many of us enjoy - kind of like after the Civil War people in the South were dancing around slavery stating "It was not about slavery, it was about State's Rights." Yeah, sure!

  • Silverprospector SAN ANTONIO, TX
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:47 p.m.


    The lord never said that, Joseph Smith did. And given his track record of giving revelations that never came true, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Tuffy Parker

    Please don't try to mislead people and sugarcoat mormon doctrine. It most certainly was DOCTRINE. Consider the following:

    "The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the DOCTRINE of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time." (The First Presidency on the Negro Question, 17 Aug. 1949)

    This was a statement from the first presidency... you can't get much more doctrinal then that.

    If you need more:"Negroes in this life are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. (mormon doctrine, p. 528) Elder McConkie was clearly repeating what the first presidency had said.

    Mike Wallace: From 1830 to 1978, blacks could not become priests in the Mormon church. Right?

    Gordon B. Hinckley: That's correct.

    Mike Wallace: Why?

    Gordon B. Hinckley: Because the leaders of the church at that time interpreted that DOCTRINE that way.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    I'm an active LDS woman, who simply cannot believe the prejudice of a few isolated scriptures in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. As LDS people, we know the Bible hasn't been completely translated correctly, and there's not an iota about homosexuality in the Book of Mormon. In my mind, biases against gays are deep-rooted prejudices.

    Those who suggest they "know" exactly what will happen in the hereafter are displaying an arrogance. No one "knows". We can only have faith. Women are going to continue to have periods, conceive, and deliver children in heaven? Really? With all the biological anatomy that goes along with reproduction here on earth? Really? Once again, can't wrap my head around that. I don't believe in a literal conception and deliverance in the hereafter. If I use my brain -- and I believe God wants me to -- I can definitely picture a gay family in heaven.

  • sukiyhtaky us, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    Frank...during the Prop 8 battle in California Steve Young had a sign in front of his house supporting LGBT marriage, so he is hardly the latest to cave. The natural question is if the LDS church says acting on being gay...having a sin then how can anyone supporting gay marriage be a faithful member? If you are condoning it, that would naturally prevent you from holding a temple recommend. If you encourage, support and profit from gay marriage Marriott hotels do when they sell wedding celebration packages specifically themed for gay marriages on a website they maintain strictly for their LGBT customers, how does that enable them to be members in good standing or be GA's? Romney opposed gay marriage while running for president, but now as a member of the Marriott Board of Trustees he profits from it. Is the deciding point now NOT one of doctrine, but of profit for members and the church? In California members were encouraged even by a letter read on Sunday to hold the line against gay marriage and to support its defeat. More than a few are grumbling they were left with egg on their faces.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    Young people do not see this issue the way most of the commenters do -- something like 75% of those under 30 see being Gay as natural, and suppression of equality as wrong. Most young people and most non-mormons see the "stay in the church but be celibate" concept as ranging from cruel and discriminatory to just plain idiotic.

    I am so sick to death of the vicious lie, "The Gays do not just want rights, they want to force us to contradict our religious views and agree with them", in all its variations.
    I am so sick of people who think they are mind-readers, qualifying them to say that Gays made a choice to be Gay.

    LDS people tend to have large families and produce plenty of Gay offspring. I suppose it is progress to no longer cast them into the street or force them into therapy camps, but it is far from the progress made out in the rest of America.

    God knows the answer -- we do not. The prophet and all mormons should be searching for what God wants, not for what is easy for the church to handle.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    I think we are in for some troubled times. Because our minds have become grossly darkened, The Lord mentions a cleansing that will originate from a surprising location and spread from there to the rest of the world.
    See D&C 112:23-27

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @ 273 River miles...Can you tell us how we as a church are persecuting gays? Some specific examples? I just don't see it. The only gay members I know left the church on their own because they knew their lifestyle wouldn't ( and shouldn't) be condoned. They essentially couldn't show their face at church. But they are loved and completely accepted by their families. All I see these days is members loving and accepting anyone who walks in the door of church no matter how they look or smell. If those gays decided to come to church, they would not be kicked out unless they were doing PDA with their partner or whatever.

    So are we supposed to not talk about the doctrines of the church in front of homosexuals for fear of making them feel bad and "persecuted"? I believe homosexuals will feel embarrassed or self conscious during discussions like this. So Are we supposed to deny the realities of the Proclamation, of eternal families so that we prevent homosexual suicide? If so we better not talk about the Word of Wisdom around drinkers or obese, or about marriage around singles.

  • Hold on a second Spring City, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    No matter how much love and acceptance we or the Church gives, it won't change the fact that those who have same-sex relationships, who do not repent, cannot enter into the New and Everlasting Covenant of marriage, nor receive exaltation. Heavenly Father is eternal. His laws are eternal. Regardless of our personal views, He cannot and will not give into "political correctness". If He did, He would cease to be God.

    Whether or not the tendency towards same-sex relationships is in-born or learned, it doesn’t matter. The point is, it runs counter to the Plan of Salvation and is abhorrent to the Lord. There is no challenge in life, but what the Lord has given us the power to overcome it. That's not to say it will be easy - but, through the atonement of Jesus Christ, all things are possible.

    All who have been through the temple know what the doctrine is. We must be careful that in expressing our love and support that we aren’t subtly saying that it’s OK to be right where they are; in affect, giving up trying. If they truly desire exaltation - it's not OK!

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:01 p.m.



    "The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time." (The First Presidency on the Negro Question, 17 Aug. 1949)

    This was a stetement from the first presidency... you can't get much more doctrinal then that.

    Please don't try to justify and sugarcoat and mislead. It was clearly a doctrine.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 16, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Tuffy Parker

    I am sorry but you are flat out wrong. Blacks not holding the priesthood was a DOCTRINE, not just a policy.

    "Negroes in this life are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them... negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of Spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate." (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp. 527-528)

    Mike Wallace: From 1830 to 1978, blacks could not become priests in the Mormon church. Right?

    Gordon B. Hinckley: That's correct.

    Mike Wallace: Why?

    Gordon B. Hinckley: Because the leaders of the church at that time interpreted that DOCTRINE that way.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Sept. 16, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Why are people so concerned with what sexual orientation somebody else is? I don't agree with homosexuals, I don't support it, but I am not against it either. Why spend so much time fighting against them. to me it is like anything else: if 2 consenting adults want to do it why should I be able to tell them no. It doesn't harm me, or affect anybody but the 2 involved in the relationship. It is like alcohol or smoking or gambling - it may be immoral, but if somebody else wants to do it, then they can. That doesn't mean I have to do it, it doesn't even mean I have to agree with it. It means they have a right to do it, just as I have the right not to.

  • 1.96 Standard Deviations OREM, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 2:20 p.m.


    There are some absolutes in the plan of salvation, and one of those is that eternal marriage is between man and woman. Saying this is a living church and that a new revelation can come to allow a man and a man to be sealed for all eternity (married) in the temple is a false hope and a twisted concept of what the living church means. The Brethren have made this crystal clear and have emphasized the importance of opposite genders needed to be part of marriage.

    Nephi gloried in plainness, and I believe it is important to be plain regarding this subject. In short, a man and a man (or woman and woman) are never going to be married in the temple together. The scriptures teach to not ask for these which ye ought not, and eternal marriage between the same gender is one of those things you shouldn't be asking for.

    Just remember, when God created the world, it was Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. A woman, Eve, was a help, meet (appropriate) for Adam. God did not create Steve to be a help, meet for Adam. It is man and woman.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    To "Vladhagen" according to the church policy manuals, you can be a member of a member of the LGBT and enjoy full fellowship and ordinances in the church, except where somebody has had a sex change operation. A LGBT person will be required to live by the same standards that any other member would have to live by. You don't find that sort of equality out there in politics. Those that have had sex change operations are now allowed into the temple, which makes sense because of some gender specific portions of the temple ceremony. The other part that may be sticky is that when getting a temple recommend you are asked if you belong to or support groups that are anti-LDS.

  • Go 273 river miles Draper, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Love the sinner, not the sin. Gays want more than just equal rights. It’s a choice. I’m not a bigot just because I don’t share your point of view. We love our gay brothers and sisters. Civil unions should be good enough. That was me two years ago. My opinion was borrowed from those around me….and then my son told me he is gay.
    The church’s current position: It’s not a choice, that the population is 2.4% gay and 1.2% lesbian, love all. So, a ward of 500 should have 18 LGBT’s and a YM/YW organization of 80 youths should have about 3 LGBT’s.
    If we love and accept them, where are they? The adults have been so persecuted that they have thrown in the towel and the kids are hiding in abject fear that their peers and parents will discover them.
    "Good" LDS families are throwing their LGBT kids out. They commit suicide at rates well beyond national averages. Brothers and sisters, we are failing our LGBT brothers and sisters. Thank you Steve and Barb Young.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:19 a.m.


    "Sometime in the not too distant future, there will be a federal lawsuit filed against the LDS Church demanding it open its temples to all who want to be married there, regardless of gender attraction and actions."

    The only way possible that could happen would be for someone who is gay and a member of the church to file the suit. If a group or person from the outside where to file the suit, it would be tossed out by the courts because they would not have standing. However, I do not think the government would interfere with the religious beliefs of the church since marriage between a man and a woman is part of the LDS religious doctrine and is not a policy. The beliefs can be upheld by the scriptures. If it should turn out however that the government does force the LDS Church to open the temples to same sex marriages then the country has lost the first amendment and a second civil war would break out.

  • belief101 Logan, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Lehi's dream and the spacious building; Did Lehi ever climb up there to preach or make them feel better about themselves? Where is the line between loving and accepting gays and doctrine? Everyone is a child of God. He will judge, not me. The church has been very accepting of gays. Are we looking to be accepted or helping others feel accepted? Can gay Mormons accept that I believe in the proclamation on the family and that guides my beliefs. Most gay (Mormons) in these settings seem to be looking not only to be accepted, but told what they do is not considered sinful. Many have lobbied for the Supreme Court overturning DOMA, California's prop 8 and participate in gay pride parades. We have living prophets and if u want my respect and acceptance it goes both ways.That's usually where the friction comes in. I sin too, but I'm not openly opposing what the church has said and what we hold dear. Don't ask me to relax my standards or Gods word so you feel better. I'm staying out of that tall and spacious building. But come on down and we'll talk.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Okay, here is my take on all of this:

    I grew up in DC, a town that has a large gay community.

    I spent six months in the gay bars and in the gay community in preparation for a thesis I wrote about the whole nature/nurture thing for a college class. Here is what I found.

    1. There was a group who were gay because it was considered at the time wrong and on the edge of society and these men and women got a thrill out of "doing wrong." Some of them did it to hurt their parents, friends, etc.

    2. There was a group who had difficulty with their lives. They were not successful in marriage, business, family and suddenly "realized" they were gay and jumped into the lifestyle as the fix to the problem.

    3. One group either didn't want to be gay but lived the life anyway or liked being gay and was content with their choice. It was this group that seemed truly "hardwired" to be gay.

    4. The last group had unusual home life, overbearing or abusive moms, wives, etc.

    There was no one answer to the "nature vs nature" question.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    That said, we want those with same sex attraction to come to Church and partake of the doctrine. I have homosexual friends. I'm just saying changing the doctrine of the Church in this case will not happen or the Church ceases to exist. This is not the same as African Americans and the Priesthood because it goes to the very core of the Church's doctrine whereas 1978 did not.

  • Hunam Layton, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    I just feel more confusion when I read about this topic. I read about many members who think they know, but then there are those that quote older prophets and such, and wonder. The statements from the brethren focus on behavior but they don't really give us a good idea how to cope with the day to day mental war.

    Christ said that those that looked upon a woman to lust after her already committed adultery in their hearts. So are thoughts that are homosexual not sins, but thoughts that are heterosexual sins?

    I often struggle to know why at such a young age, I was predisposed to love something so contrary to God's ideal plan. I chock it up to being a fallen man.

    I don't trust the material coming from secular sources at all. Their casual attitudes about every type of behavior, I found to be entirely unacceptable for a spiritual life. But I feel like there are these gaping holes in my own understanding and how I am to live with myself.

    So who do I trust, when I can hardly trust my own mind and everyone claims they know what God wants...

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Steve and Barbara Young are examples of those who like other politicians find a way to be politically correct. They realize as prominent celebrities that they would avoid the targeting and abuse dished out to those faithful LDS families who supported Prop 8. They could also remain in good graces with Hollywood and the California liberal elite. My kudo's go to those in the trenches who were targeted, vilified and even lost their jobs for defending marriage and being compassionate to gays and lesbians in supporting Prop 8.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    I'm not sure here, but I believe chastity is between one man and one woman married to each other. All other forms of intimacy are considered serious sin.
    That said, I couldn't quote chapter and verse.
    So, that leaves the matter open for discussion.
    That's what it has come to and that's what the GBLTs will push to the very limit.
    Give them an inch...

  • 1.96 Standard Deviations OREM, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:45 a.m.


    To add to your comment, gender was also part of pre-mortality. If we are a man now, we were a man in pre-mortality, and will continue being a man in post-mortality. Same goes for women. The proclamation to the world about the family mentioned the following: "Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose."

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    To those that believe the Church will one day hold homosexual temple sealings I say don't hold your breath. What are the main points of doctrine that separate the LDS Church from others? The Book of Mormon and continuing revelation to present day prophets are two. The restoration of the Priesthood and keys are others. Oh, and the bit about eternal families, gender being an eternal principle, as man is God once was, etc. This part of our doctrine cannot change and the Church continue to exist. That would mean Joseph Smith was mistaken in all of those revelations. It would mean the LDS Church is not distinct from other Christian churches. So that being the case, why are you urging the Church to allow such things rather than going to another Church? Because in the end that is all it would be.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    To my fellow LDS, we are all sinners and beggars before God. Jesus commanded that we love one another, not find reasons to justify hate and discrimination. Steve Young is Brigham Young's most famous descendant, it is great that he is leading on this issue,

    I am LDS, Temple recommend holder, multiple callings in my ward, 100% home teaching record and supporter of equal rights. Yes, I can be all those things.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    God loves all of his children yes, but he does not make mistakes and put a female spirit on a male body or viceversa. Have the Young read what President Kimball said in the miracle of forgivenss about what he calls "the crime against nature"?.

  • [email protected] Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    The LDS Church is one of the few religious bastions where political correctness has not worked, where leaders did not have to try to explain why they believe in the Bible but give priesthood to women and allows gays to marry.

    I am libertarian regarding what people choose to do with one another, right up until they call me a bigot for not believing in what they believe.

    If the prophet announces that Gay marriage will be supported by the Church I'll support it to. But this reverse change, from the pews of faraway church buildings that start to guilt life-long members into changing their beliefs will only make the membership more stoic and more resolved.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    To RobRaven

    How do you see homosexual marriage fitting into the Plan of Salvation? God created your physical body to be a man. He made you that way. Human physical bodies weren't created to accommodate homosexual relations. Isn't it like just giving up/giving in to allow oneself to submit to lusts. I am married. Do I frequently feel powerful attractions to others outside my marriage? Yes! It's human nature to be attracted. Do we just allow ourselves to fall into the mess of sin because "we were born that way"? I was born with an incredible sweet tooth. Know what I would look like if I just threw up my hands and said , God made me this way so it's OK to indulge? Resisting attractions, impulses and appetites is a life-long project. Don't give up so soon on resisting what isn't ultimately good for you.

    I think the Youngs are doing something charitable and good for society and for the church. We still need to recognize that we are all imperfect and need to strive for righteousness.

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    There were no protests, no marchers, no "signs", no yelling at participants outside of this event. No "Mormons", or LDS telling them they have no right to be having this meeting. Wow!!
    This could/should be a lesson to the LGBT and all communities of people who are trying to be "accepted" ... we really can have a difference of opinion and do it peacefully. We really can live together without accepting the lifestyles (religious or otherwise) of anyone else and maintain our own.
    We need to figure out what to do about a generation of young people who have been raised believing that "everyone has the right to think and be and choose what they want to be ... except YOU if you if you don't agree with ME ... then you have no right to that opinion."

  • Jane B Portland / Clackamas, OR
    Sept. 16, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    Of course we know that people are born gay. It's long past time for you all to realize that. And, being gay is not a sin we have to forgive in others! Gay people are just like everyone else--born into this life to figure out how to navigate challenges and find happiness, hopefully with God's help and approval.

    It is also important to realize that gay people are not monolithic in what they desire. We have gay Mormons in heterosexual marriages with children who are happy. We have gay Mormons who do not believe in gay marriage. We have gay Mormons who are single and choose to live as worthy LDS members. We also have gay Mormons who advocate and want gay marriage--including temple marriage.

    I don't have the answers, I just think it's time to see things the way they really are with our homosexual brothers and sisters.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Sept. 16, 2013 6:48 a.m.


    What appears to me to be the issue is that more and more those who feel same gender attraction are demanding that we consider it as normal as opposite gender attraction. It doesn't take a genius to see where this is headed.

    Sometime in the not too distant future, there will be a federal lawsuit filed against the LDS Church demanding it open its temples to all who want to be married there, regardless of gender attraction and actions. This in the name of "equality." There will be demonstrations, perhaps more incidents of arson of Church buildings.

    The only issue I have with LGBT is what appears to me to be acceptance by jamming it down society's throat. Bless they Youngs' hearts. They are doing what they believe is right. But it may bear fruit that in the end will not be good for all of society.

  • RobRaven SLC, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:49 a.m.

    A good barometer for this issue is to look at the fruits of the doctrine: Broken families. Homeless youth. Suicides. Institutionalized bigotry. Etc. These are red flags that something is wrong. Sins are accompanied by guilt and can be repented of and overcome. I am witness to the miraculous healing power of God, and yet he won't heal me of this. Why not?

    One the contrary, the Lord doesn't condemn me and I am guilt free. I have His spirit with me. He's not asking me to repent of this. If you know the stories, gay men are not cured, they simply repress their natural attractions and marry women anyway. While that may work for some, it cannot work for all. How would you feel about your daughter/sister marrying a homosexual man?

    And what about Genesis 2:18? It's not good for man to be alone. For many reasons... Chastity has been mentioned. I want to keep the law of chastity. I have no desire to sleep around... at all... none. What if it's time to prepare places of safety for worthy LDS LGBT saints to find love without leaving the safety of the Gospel?

  • RobRaven SLC, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:15 a.m.

    If you differentiate between doctrine and policy, it's important to note that doctrines are also subject to modification. This is a living church. Church history is replete with examples of doctrines that become modified from time to time as more light and knowledge become available.

    "...a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject erases all the darkness and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more...It doesn't make a particle of difference what anybody ever said ... It is a new day and a new arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light out into the world on this subject. As to any slivers of light or any particles of darkness of the past, we forget about them." - Bruce R McConkie, (1978)

    The BoM is written for our day, and yet says nothing on the subject, why not? What if the bible is misunderstood? I recommend a google search of Matthew vines, and a visit to his YouTube and Facebook pages. We should all pray for more patience, love, and guidance.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:20 a.m.

    This has been a terrific comment dialog. No matter what people believe in, they should be respected. I do not advocate the Gay lifestyle. I also don't believe that a person should not drink to excess. I don't believe in murder pre-martial sex or in adultery. I also don't believe that because I don't side with the Gay lifestyle that I should be browbeat by those who do. And I certainly shouldn't browbeat those who live the gay lifestyle. I haven't walked in their shoes.

    As I said before God loves all and we should all try to understand each other. I believe what I believe, that God lives and answers our prayers. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is clear on certain things, We all should try to live Christ like lives. Judge not lest you be Judged. Get along with your fellowman and invite all to do the best they possibly can. God will sort it all out. And I think we will all be surprised who we will meet in Heaven.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 11:53 p.m.

    Policy or practice is not the same thing as doctrine. Blacks and the priesthood was related to policy and practice. Marriage between a man and a woman is doctrine. Those believing that this doctrine will change are mistaken.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    Rob Raven: Please know that you have many straight allies within the Church. We are not as vocal in church -- for obvious reasons -- but we are hoping and praying for further light on this very sensitive topic. I believe the Church will eventually fully accept you, my gay friends, and my wonderful son as equal with all the rights and privileges that straight members enjoy. I'm afraid, though, that it will take a long time.

    Those African Americans seeking civil rights had to walk a long, lonely, frightening trail before they were able to have the same rights and privileges as their white American brothers and sisters. Prejudice runs deep, but eventually it dies. Best wishes to you and your loved ones, Rob!

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Sept. 15, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Ether 12:27 "And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them." Some are tempted by substances, some by greed, some by inappropriate heterosexual behavior, some by inappropriate homosexual behavior, and so forth. The problem is that no other "weakness" presents quite the Hobson's choice of same-sex attraction. Gays who choose to marry and adopt or use some alternative method of fertilization are doing their best to legitimize what is natural for them. The Proclamation on the Family does seem to marginalize this kind of lifestyle, as do the scriptures. I can see the civil rights argument, but also the religious freedom argument. There doesn't seem to be a way to compromise that will make everyone happy. Meanwhile, everyone needs to be compassionate and Christlike, and it seems that the Youngs are setting an example.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:52 p.m.


    It's nice to hear there's a ward in the Church where a gay family feels comfortable enough to attend and where the members aren't putting judgement before love. I believe that is the model Jesus tried to impart when He said to "love thy neighbor." There needs to be space in our church where all are welcome. Afterall, we are all on our own personal journeys through life.

  • Hold on a second Spring City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    A same-sex relationship runs contrary to the Plan of Salvation. "Political Correctness", whether from the Church or society at large, won't alter that fact.

  • michael.jensen369 Lethbridge, 00
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    And from the Church's newsroom website:"...the Church remains irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children." Remember that this is an official statement from the Church, meaning that it was written by the First Presidency and The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, our living prophets,seers, and revelators. If such a revelation as you suggest might occur, it would only come through divine communication to them, not through pressure from inside or outside the church. But it won't because it is completely contrary to the Lord's truths that He has given us. Exaltation requires eternal marriage, and creation is impossible with same-sex marriage. I'll probably get a whole lot of flak for what I've written, but I felt that I should share this. But the church is still true, and President Monson is still a prophet, and God still speaks to His children today.

  • michael.jensen369 Lethbridge, 00
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    I appreciate your sincerity and your faith, and I also appreciate your not being angry and bitter against the church. I cannot state that enough. That is so great, I really really mean it. But, I also think that there is something that is not quite totally understood. And that is that the Lord's truths and doctrines are taught by his prophets and apostles. Doctrinal(emphasis on doctrinal, not personal) revelation for the whole church only comes, and only in this way, through the Lord's prophets, seers, and revelators. And that revelation is also found in the Family: A Proclamation to the World.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    I don't think anyone who truly lives the doctrines and principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the LDS church teaches, namely, Charity, the pure Love of Christ, has any desire to shun anyone no matter what they've done. We are commanded to love all men without prejudice. We are to forgive everyone without prejudice. That is the gospel of Christ.

    One issue I have is with the act of homosexuality. It is currently against the law of Chastity, arguably one of the most important laws we have been commanded to live by. This law is set in stone and will never change. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and there has never been an instance where He has ever allowed same sex unions to be justified in the tenants of His gospel.

    We have to be careful. On one hand we have been commanded to love and forgive everyone no matter who they are. On the other hand we have also been commanded to keep His commandments. I believe that Steve and his wife are loving and reaching out to their fellow brothers and sisters as best they know how. This is charity...

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    I agree that same sex attraction is too often compared to maladies (e.g. alcoholism, diseases).

    The fact is ANYTHING that we choose to put in front of God can keep us from reaching the full potential he has for us if we seek and follow His will. That includes many things (e.g. wealth, beauty, intelligence) that are prized as attributes.

    How can I make sure I continue to seek God's will and not become blinded by what my wealth, beauty, intelligence, or same-sex attraction bring into my life seems as valid a question, and less pejorative, than those typically used.

    I take God at His word when he said, if ANY of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God...and believe He answers each faithful prayer if we are willing to act upon that response, regardless of whether or not the substance of that answer is what we had expected, or hoped for.

    I also believe that regardless of our individual circumstances we are given the opportunity to take those circumstance and create a life through which, "the glory of God may be made manifest."

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    As a Mormon, I have always been taught that the greatest commandment is to love God and demonstrate that by loving and serving my fellow man. My copy of the standard works does not include a footnote that exludes gays, blacks, immigrants, welfare moms, Utes or any other group from that commandment.

    What I take from the Youngs is that they are living up to that commandment. My understanding is that in the LDS Church, judgement is reserved for those duly called by the the proper church authority. I gladly leave it to those whose responsibility it is to do so. I wish more people would do the same.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    One does not need to accept drunkenness to show love to the drunkard.
    One does not need to accept theft to show love to the thief.
    One does not need to accept murder to show love to the murderer.
    One does not need to accept homosexuality to show love to the homosexual.

    Those who suggest that showing any love toward an individual with same-sex attraction is an endorsement of the practice of homosexuality are wrong.

    Those who suggest that people cannot really show love to individuals with same-sex attraction until they support/reward/celebrate homosexual behaviors are wrong.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Sept. 15, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    You wrote: " The problem that I have is that it seems like the LGBT community has always wanted more than equality. They want conversion of everyone to see it their way"
    Sorry but you are wrong.

    As a gay man I accept and respect your disagreement with SSM. What we reject is the arrogance and bigotry of denying our right to have the same rights as anybody else.

    Personally I disagree with hunting. I think hunting is inhuman unless done for survival, I cannot understand how Hunting can be consider a sport. It is even harder for me to understand how anyone can enjoy and feel pride in killing an innocent animal. Yet, I will never attempt to legalize my opposition to hunting because of my feelings. I just express my opposition and I don't hunt.

    You have the right to disagree with SSM and I will defend your right not to have one.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    Steve is one of the few who would welcome his gay brother in law into the temple to be married to his gay lover. he may have been the MVP of the nfl, but his wife wears the pants in his household.....go Steve.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 15, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    Of course God loves all.

    But it doesn't mean he excepts the sin.

    Finding something attractive, doesn't make it right. Straight people do the same thing with out of wed-lock relationships.

    Being a diabetic, I find alot of foods attractive, but know it's going to hurt me.

    Common sense, and self control is the key.

  • PTM ,
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:56 p.m.


    So are you saying that God did not create the 'heavens and the earth', but rather 'instituted' a plan? God's most significant creation is a plan. Then who in your estimation created the 'heavens and the earth' (and all the natural systems that implies - including sexual orientation), the Bible not withstanding?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    "When you identify as being gay does this mean you actually are a practicing homosexual, or just that you experience same gender attraction?"

    The latter, just like how people are heterosexual based on who they are attracted to.

  • Friend to all Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    I have many gay friends, including one who was active at church, never having acted on his feelings. I know a gay couple with a small family who have been welcomed into their Utah Ward with open arms. They don't hold callings but they are welcome at church. Their children are very well adjusted and Very loved. I chose to be as Christlike as I can be which means loving my neighbor, whom ever they are. I choose not to judge but rather become a friend. It makes me feel great to know that my choices have allowed me many friends whom I might otherwise have missed out on. Having said all that, I love the people but don't necessarily agree with their "lifestyle", The Lord loves all His children so who am I to turn away from them?

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    To complete my earlier comment:

    I have no idea why there is same sex attraction. I do know that we are taught by those who have authority that it is not wrong to have those feelings, but only to act upon them. Is it fair to have those feelings then be commanded not to act upon them? Is it fair for the man to have cystic fibrosis then not act upon his heterosexual feelings to avoid leaving a widow and perhaps passing the gene onto his children? It appears to be an individual choice in his matter.

    My only real concern with the LGBT dialogue is that those who don't believe that way are called bigots. In this day of "politically correct" speech, I fear that dialogue is what will bring persecution of Church members in the last days.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    I agree we have, as a society and a Church, come a long way in how we look at those who profess LGBT identity. I have puzzled and pondered much about this situation.

    If God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply, and it is His same commandment to all of us, it would be a bit puzxling to have Him then cause some to be unable to do so,and among what appears to be in ever widening numbers.

    If the Proclamation to the Family is believed to be revelation of God, then at face value, acting on those LGBT feelings would not produce offspring. I don't see the commandment to avoid partaking of the tree of knowledge -- which had to be done for humanity to spring forth-- a similar situation.

  • SuziQ Springville, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    I would agree that I find the point of this article confusing. I am not sure what the point of the conference was. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. I was in high school when the question of gays and, to a lesser degree at that time, lesbians were being debated. Our high school was the first one in the country to have to allow a couple of the same gender to attend the Senior Prom. I am for all people having equal opportunity, equal treatment, and equal respect. The problem that I have is that it seems like the LGBT community has always wanted more than equality. They want conversion of everyone to see it their way. Just because I don't want the traditional definition of marriage to be changed doesn't automatically mean that I disrespect others who would like it to be defined differently. It just means that I believe that marriage is about something more than a legally sanctioned sexual union with the right to benefits. Surely we are creative enough to come up with an appropriate solution, assuming people on both sides are willing to bend.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    article-"Heavenly Father loves our gays exactly the way they are — exactly the way he created them."

    That statement should have been: Heavenly Father loves gay persons as he loves everyone else.

    He no more "created" them that way than he created people who have any other kind of physical attribute, trait, or characteristic of any kind or nature.

    Heavenly Father instituted His plan--and part of that is we are all born into a mortal world with an innumerable variety of attributes, traits, or characteristics--and we are born with them for an innumerable number of reasons....

    To say God created people to be Gay (or any other thing) gives the wrong idea to impressionable people.

    God planned for us all to be born, and he loves us all. Period.

    He invites us all to turn to him to better navigate any and all conditions of living in a mortal, fallen world.

  • NateSG St.George, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    My issue is with the language. I don't know if science is anywhere near understanding homosexuality. Sexual behavior and fetishes are propensities borne out by our behavior. I think it should be bridging the gap of LGBT tendencies. If you are LGBT that means you are Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or transgender and open and proud of it. I don't believe in being transgender at all unless you are born a hermaphrodite; I don't see where they facts are for your sex being the "wrong" one. I also don't think being a heterosexual is 100 percent determined by genes, I think it is maybe 50 to 60 percent genetic the rest is social biology and learning men and women have to mate to create offspring.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:47 p.m.


    What if there were laws prohibiting your friend with cystic fibrosis from marrying?
    Or society condemned him because he chose to marry?


    Mrs. Young at least opposed Prop 8. She contributed to those opposing Prop 8 and the Youngs also had a sign opposing Prop 8.
    Steve Young, however, declined to make public whether he supported or opposed Prop 8.


    Have you ever talked to or heard a gay LDS (or not LDS)person's story about coming to the realization they are gay? If not, you have much to learn. Affirmation has a website, maybe start there.

    If you believe God creates all types of people, then why would it be different for LGBT?
    Perhaps we ought to leave the judging up to Him, and simply treat our neighbors as ourselves.

  • RobRaven SLC, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    LDS readers: I'm faithful, active, and have a strong testimony of the restoration and it's accoutrements, I read from the Book of Mormon daily and love it. I've faithfully worked on this issue for over 30 years. It's taken me that long to be ok with the plan God has for me. I love the Lord with all my heart and I don't care what He wants me to do, I'll do it. As I grow older and draw nearer to the Lord, He whispers peace to my resistant soul regarding my sexual orientation. My feelings aren't lustful. They aren't shameful. I have no desire to hide from the presence of the Lord.

    Instead, I rejoice in His companionship as I seek an eternal companion ... a male eternal companion. Are we willing to be guided by the Lord in this? What if 1978 was only the beginning of more light and knowledge? What will you tell your children when they ask how you felt before the revelation came? "We didn't know" isn't an excuse. We can know. Are we praying to be on the right side next time?

  • Mr. Plate Lindon, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    @FrankSegesman - do you think it's "caving to pressure" for an LDS person/group to support those with alcohol or drug addiction, or to support one who's compelled to gamble, or who's obsessed with pornography? Is it inappropriate to help any group who struggles with desires that would lead to sin if acted upon?

    I thought it was very unclear through the article if the Youngs condoned and supported the choices of those who act upon their homosexual desires. To the Youngs and others with Affirmation, does "God loving everyone as they are" mean God is accepting of homosexual conduct, or does it mean God hopes they'll choose the path of obedience to his commands, yet loves them even if they don't, as He does all sinners? I didn't think that was very clear through the article, and perhaps intentionally so.

    There's a thin line to walk when building bridges is the goal, and introducing the line of sin demarcation suggests judgment that is inevitably counterproductive to that goal. It seems the Youngs are "loving the sinner but hating the sin," with an emphasis on the love and just no mention of the hate.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    The Gay group/community/interested parties/club/orientation...or whatever, used to have a severe problem with being totally ostracized, and they would argue it still does. BUT, the worm has turned and now they are doing things to their "enemies" exactly as they've accused their enemies doing to them. Trying to find a rational middle ground seems impossible right now. The LGBT groups can only see that "respect" means "think as we think." They castigate any person who doesn't view Gay with joy. To say you are fine having same rights isn't enough -- you've got to embrase their mental position. If you don't they'll boycott your business like the ones in the Northwest, cry foul and boycott your film if you, OSCard disagree with them, and make up nonsensical words like "homophobe" that they'll call you if you do not toe their party line.

    We've got to get to the point where "straight" can believe Gay actions are immoral but so long as they treats gays kindly, with love, allowing their contracts to be equal to anyones, then it should matter either. Middle grounds are tough to find.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    In the past I have had more than one Gay college student come to my office battling thoughts of suicide. I believe those Mormons like Steve Young who build bridges to the LGBT community rather than attack them are saving lives. I can already see the change.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    One time I talked with someone who was in his mid 20's who had cystic fibrosis. For some reason, his lungs can't purge the mucus. Every three months they take you to the hospital and you have to breathen in a special inhaler while the nursing staff whack you a lot on the back.

    He was serving in a bishopric in his home ward. He was lucky that he had lived to adulthood. Usually people with his sickness die before they are 20. He had chosen not to marry because he did not want to leave a widow.

    I guess if someone had same gender attraction, they may decide to live celibate. There are a lot of noble reasons people will choose not to marry. This could be one of them.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    GL W8, did you choose to be heterosexual? Would you say YOU were born that way? We'll never know because we can't trust people's word on that issue can we?

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    "Finch has one son and two grandchildren who identify as being gay."

    I long for the day when we won't feel the need to use such phrasing. This carefully chosen wording makes it sound like being gay is a temporary condition. It's not. The way it's written makes it feel like there is a little extra that should be added "Finch has one son a two grandchildren who identify as being gay, but they are fooling themselves."

    I applaud the Youngs fpr reaching out to the LGBTQ community. It's another much needed step to make them feel more a part of our communities. Let's hope the Deseret News board, staff, and owners can soon follow their lead and try to truly understand and become advocates for these too-often marginalized brothers and sisters.

    Sept. 15, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    One of the statements that bothers those of us trying hard to love, understand, and accept the LGBT community is the statement "God made me that way." Maybe it's factual, maybe not. We just don't have all the answers yet, from either a religious or a scientific viewpoint. Without more firm ground to stand upon, it's a perplexing stimulus-response mechanism affecting all sides of the issue. Making this statement so strongly is bound to produce frustration, confusion, and other negative responses, all of which perpetuate misunderstandings, resentment, and intolerance. We need to be more wise, less judgmental,less rationalizing, less conclusive until more facts and/or the revealed word of God comes forth.

  • FrankSegesman ,
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Steve is the latest guy to cave in to the pressure.....

  • Nosea Forest Grove, OR
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    So, did they read the Proclamation to the World at this event?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    An infallible method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured.
    Konrad Adenauer

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:08 a.m.

    The Young's are true Latter Day Saints. Sometimes we all forget that God loves all of his children. By bridging the gap, the Young's are living the commandment that We should Judge not but should let the Lord Judge. I applaud the Young's for their efforts and example. As an active Latter Day Saint I hope I can be as loving and tolerant as they are.

    God bless you both.

  • Cleanliness Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:02 a.m.

    I think that understanding within the LDS Church about same sex attraction has improved. It still could be better of course, but it has improved, due in large part to things like the new website. I think that reconciliation can be difficult, and it is not always cut and dry like we would want to make it appear. I struggled for a long time with certain social aspects of the LDS Church that I just could not seem to reconcile in my mind. I just need to remind myself often that God loves the sinner. We go from that point. There is so much more that we don't know than that we do know. For me, I have found it highly clarifying to advocate aspects of timing as it relates to change, as well as acceptance of the honest in heart who want to do what is right and are searching.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 12:55 a.m.

    Can someone be a member of the LGBT community and still be considered in full fellowship in the LDS Church? I really do not know the answer to this 100%. When you identify as being gay does this mean you actually are a practicing homosexual, or just that you experience same gender attraction? This is something that has never been entirely clear to me, how someone that is a homosexual can be seen as being in good standing in the LDS Church. I support strongly people who experience same gender attraction; however I am not sure how one can consider themselves in good standing in the LDS Church, yet still advocate homosexuality. Is Steve Young advocating homosexuality or just supporting people who struggle with same gender attraction?