Ranch, my past experience leads me to believe that the "how we're
born" statement is yet unproven. Those who say homosexuality exists in
nature, therefore is applicable to humans, are speculating at best. Where is
solid,conclusive genetic research that shows a correlation between other
species' DNA and human DNA as far as homosexuality is concerned? Enlighten
us, please!And where is the research that totally eliminates the
possibility that same-gender attraction comes from environmental factors? We
need better answers, if they exist, from the scientific community.
Those of you who don't think the issues are the same: equality are the ones
who don't understand the issues.@Braveheart;Being
gay is not an "inclination". It's how we're born (same as
These comments are so well put and truly perceptive of how the LGBT turns
everything into a fight for their cause. Thank you braveheart for your comments
and opening this dialogue.
The modern-day LGBT advocates have confused equality with relativism. Moral
standards, by their nature, are inherently discriminatory -- distinguishing
between patterns of action and behavior as distinguished from other patterns of
action and behavior. The Gay lifestyle, being such a pattern of behavior, is by
definition open to the making of judgments based on such standards. Individuals
are within their rights to make such judgments, and religious denominations are
within their rights to advocate them publicly.By advocating for
marriage "equality," the politically correct community has rendered
marriage morally meaningless, and has demonstrated the shallowness and moral
bankruptcy of their own position, not the homophobis of anybody else's.
Braveheart, You couldn't have explained it any more clearly. Anyone in the
LGBT community that can't understand the difference clearly has their head
in the clouds. There is all the difference in the world. Do not
minimize the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's by equating it with
today's LGBT movement.
What an amazing woman!! We have much to learn from her!!I, too, am
insulted that equal rights for African-Americans are lumped with the homosexual
agenda. You cannot compare apples to organges. The struggle for African-American
equality, the way they were demeaned and treated, the terrible prejudices and
brutality, the civil laws such as not being allowed to vote or own
property--lasted for hundreds of years and not just in this country. The LGBT
community is really grasping for straws every time they attempt to legitimize
themselves in this manner. I completely agree with Bravehart's comment.
Wake up, people. Lest thou thinketh that I am homophobic and don't know
what I'm talking about, please note I have both blacks and gays in my
family whom I love EQUALLY. This was an article about an ordinary
woman who did an amazing thing. Your comments should be in praise of her
courage, not seen as an opportunity for the LGBT community to take someone
else's accomplishments and make it all about them. That's a very
selfish thing to do.
BraveheartVery well said.
An admirable & really courageous woman indeed. Being a young black person I
do recognise & respect many unsung black & white heroes who made/and
make a stand for what's right. However I'm very uncomfortable when
someone tries to equate the black civil rights movement to the LGBT movement.
Having said this though... I believe that LGBT people are human beings who must
be respected and loved because they are God's children too. However, the
actual issues at the core/heart of the matter regarding each of these struggles
are not the same in my opinion.1. Being black is NOT an
'inclination' or rather has nothing to do with any hormonal
configuration that neither religion nor science can as yet conclusively explain.
2. There aren't and never have been any 'closets' for
black people to 'hide in' or 'come out' from at their
convenience. If you are black, you are black...it's out there, its evident
without having to force it out or behave a certain way.3. There has
never been a question/choice of 'morality' for acting out one's
blackness or whatever race they may be. Acting on homosexual attraction raises
some questions apparently.
When I saw the picture, I thought it odd that a person with such an angelic face
could be posting for a mug shot, then I read the article.
Yes, Leesha, amazing people who stand up for those who have been marginalized.
People standing up for fellow human beings who have been vilified. She could
have just acquiesced to the pressures of the time. But she didn't. She
took a stand. I'm so very grateful I live now. It is
heartwarming to see people have the courage to stand up once again and say,
Ënough is enough. I love my friends and family members who are treated as
if they were inferior. They are not. They are good, kind, hard-working people
who want the same things out of life: Family, Love, Loyalty, Commitment.
I'm especially thankful to see the youth realize the false traditions of
their fathers. Prejudice towards LGBT individuals is yet another prejudice
that needs to be eliminated. The time has come.
So common. Take a great article about amazing people and turn it into an
argument FOR the LGBT. No matter the issue, it happens every time.
She sounds like someone who really understands equality."As a
10-year-old girl in Sunday School, Joan memorized Bible verses that taught her a
golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."So, the fight continues. Different venue, same challenges.
I have family members who have same-gender attraction and I accept their agency.
I don't ostracize them from personal and family associations. But I respect
those same-genders that have chosen to not act upon their inclinations, respect
those who choose to live chaste heterosexual lives, and try to love and
understand those who live differently from my own practices. I believe this is
the position the LDS Church has taken.One question exists with same-gender
attraction that has been reasonably resolved with racial issues has yet to be
clarified: what is God's plan for same-genders in the hereafter? We know so
little about that; only what has been said in Biblical references and opinions
of leaders of many churches, much of which is conjectural.We need to be
careful that we don't place the LDS Church or any other church in the
position where we begin to retaliate against them because of their sincere
beliefs, and wait for the Lord to reveal more of his will on the matter.
There is NO comparison between the civil rights movement and the gay so-called
"marriage" movement. If I were a black person, I would be extremely
offended at that comparison.
@ Ophelia...Your comments are dead on... One thing that a lot of
Utahans don't realize is that there were several Utah kids in those marches
and demonstrations as well. One was a Democratic Legislator in the 70's and
was also openly gay.Mormon's should appreciate the fight for
equality and dignity having had their own fight in the 1830's... how soon
In the 1960's, it took courage, and it takes courage today. The fight for
marriage equality and human dignity for the LGBT community is so very similar to
the civil rights movement of the 1960's. My grandpa quoted scriptures
"proving" that African Americans were inferior and the seed of Cain. He
truly believed he was superior. Today people quote scriptures to
"prove" that my dearest friends and family members are evil and sinful.
My gay fellow human beings are some of the most loving, caring people I know.
Fifty years from now, we will be writing about the courage it took to bring
equality to all men and women. Black or white, gay or straight.any
can't see the comparison of the gay rights movement
What a beautiful person! The photos ... at the counter in Woolworths, w/ Dr.
King, what a legacy!
Thanks for coming to Provo HS and sharing your story!
It's a wonder.
Wow. She is a treasure to society. I don't even have to ask my daughter,
I know this woman would be a hero to her. I am grateful when anyone stands up