Woman behind 'An Ordinary Hero' inspires students across the state

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    Sept. 17, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Ranch, my past experience leads me to believe that the "how we're born" statement is yet unproven. Those who say homosexuality exists in nature, therefore is applicable to humans, are speculating at best. Where is solid,conclusive genetic research that shows a correlation between other species' DNA and human DNA as far as homosexuality is concerned? Enlighten us, please!
    And where is the research that totally eliminates the possibility that same-gender attraction comes from environmental factors? We need better answers, if they exist, from the scientific community.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    Those of you who don't think the issues are the same: equality are the ones who don't understand the issues.


    Being gay is not an "inclination". It's how we're born (same as skin color).

  • Leesha Kearns, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    These comments are so well put and truly perceptive of how the LGBT turns everything into a fight for their cause. Thank you braveheart for your comments and opening this dialogue.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    The modern-day LGBT advocates have confused equality with relativism. Moral standards, by their nature, are inherently discriminatory -- distinguishing between patterns of action and behavior as distinguished from other patterns of action and behavior. The Gay lifestyle, being such a pattern of behavior, is by definition open to the making of judgments based on such standards. Individuals are within their rights to make such judgments, and religious denominations are within their rights to advocate them publicly.

    By advocating for marriage "equality," the politically correct community has rendered marriage morally meaningless, and has demonstrated the shallowness and moral bankruptcy of their own position, not the homophobis of anybody else's.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Braveheart, You couldn't have explained it any more clearly. Anyone in the LGBT community that can't understand the difference clearly has their head in the clouds. There is all the difference in the world.

    Do not minimize the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's by equating it with today's LGBT movement.

  • Cobalt Blue West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    What an amazing woman!! We have much to learn from her!!

    I, too, am insulted that equal rights for African-Americans are lumped with the homosexual agenda. You cannot compare apples to organges. The struggle for African-American equality, the way they were demeaned and treated, the terrible prejudices and brutality, the civil laws such as not being allowed to vote or own property--lasted for hundreds of years and not just in this country. The LGBT community is really grasping for straws every time they attempt to legitimize themselves in this manner. I completely agree with Bravehart's comment. Wake up, people. Lest thou thinketh that I am homophobic and don't know what I'm talking about, please note I have both blacks and gays in my family whom I love EQUALLY.

    This was an article about an ordinary woman who did an amazing thing. Your comments should be in praise of her courage, not seen as an opportunity for the LGBT community to take someone else's accomplishments and make it all about them. That's a very selfish thing to do.

  • Leesha Kearns, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Very well said.

  • Braveheart South Africa, 00
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    An admirable & really courageous woman indeed. Being a young black person I do recognise & respect many unsung black & white heroes who made/and make a stand for what's right. However I'm very uncomfortable when someone tries to equate the black civil rights movement to the LGBT movement. Having said this though... I believe that LGBT people are human beings who must be respected and loved because they are God's children too. However, the actual issues at the core/heart of the matter regarding each of these struggles are not the same in my opinion.

    1. Being black is NOT an 'inclination' or rather has nothing to do with any hormonal configuration that neither religion nor science can as yet conclusively explain.

    2. There aren't and never have been any 'closets' for black people to 'hide in' or 'come out' from at their convenience. If you are black, you are black...it's out there, its evident without having to force it out or behave a certain way.

    3. There has never been a question/choice of 'morality' for acting out one's blackness or whatever race they may be. Acting on homosexual attraction raises some questions apparently.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    When I saw the picture, I thought it odd that a person with such an angelic face could be posting for a mug shot, then I read the article.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    Yes, Leesha, amazing people who stand up for those who have been marginalized. People standing up for fellow human beings who have been vilified. She could have just acquiesced to the pressures of the time. But she didn't. She took a stand.

    I'm so very grateful I live now. It is heartwarming to see people have the courage to stand up once again and say, Ënough is enough. I love my friends and family members who are treated as if they were inferior. They are not. They are good, kind, hard-working people who want the same things out of life: Family, Love, Loyalty, Commitment. I'm especially thankful to see the youth realize the false traditions of their fathers. Prejudice towards LGBT individuals is yet another prejudice that needs to be eliminated. The time has come.

  • Leesha Kearns, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    So common. Take a great article about amazing people and turn it into an argument FOR the LGBT. No matter the issue, it happens every time.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    She sounds like someone who really understands equality.

    "As a 10-year-old girl in Sunday School, Joan memorized Bible verses that taught her a golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

    So, the fight continues. Different venue, same challenges.

    Sept. 15, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    I have family members who have same-gender attraction and I accept their agency. I don't ostracize them from personal and family associations. But I respect those same-genders that have chosen to not act upon their inclinations, respect those who choose to live chaste heterosexual lives, and try to love and understand those who live differently from my own practices. I believe this is the position the LDS Church has taken.
    One question exists with same-gender attraction that has been reasonably resolved with racial issues has yet to be clarified: what is God's plan for same-genders in the hereafter? We know so little about that; only what has been said in Biblical references and opinions of leaders of many churches, much of which is conjectural.
    We need to be careful that we don't place the LDS Church or any other church in the position where we begin to retaliate against them because of their sincere beliefs, and wait for the Lord to reveal more of his will on the matter.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    There is NO comparison between the civil rights movement and the gay so-called "marriage" movement. If I were a black person, I would be extremely offended at that comparison.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    @ Ophelia...

    Your comments are dead on... One thing that a lot of Utahans don't realize is that there were several Utah kids in those marches and demonstrations as well. One was a Democratic Legislator in the 70's and was also openly gay.

    Mormon's should appreciate the fight for equality and dignity having had their own fight in the 1830's... how soon we forget.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    In the 1960's, it took courage, and it takes courage today. The fight for marriage equality and human dignity for the LGBT community is so very similar to the civil rights movement of the 1960's. My grandpa quoted scriptures "proving" that African Americans were inferior and the seed of Cain. He truly believed he was superior.

    Today people quote scriptures to "prove" that my dearest friends and family members are evil and sinful. My gay fellow human beings are some of the most loving, caring people I know. Fifty years from now, we will be writing about the courage it took to bring equality to all men and women. Black or white, gay or straight.

    any can't see the comparison of the gay rights movement

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    What a beautiful person! The photos ... at the counter in Woolworths, w/ Dr. King, what a legacy!

  • Coach P Provo, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Thanks for coming to Provo HS and sharing your story!

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Sept. 14, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    It's a wonder.

  • Let's be reasonable Baghdad, 00
    Sept. 14, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Wow. She is a treasure to society. I don't even have to ask my daughter, I know this woman would be a hero to her. I am grateful when anyone stands up for right.