And there you have it. Still not only winless against teams with a winning
record, but winless against teams with a losing record against lower division
teams as well!! Even my trojans will be drooling about one guaranteed win
against the Utes.
@worfMcallen, TXUtes couldn't compete in the WAC.Now the PAC 12?---------------What? We jumped
from the WAC to the PAC-12? Try keeping up, Utah played over a
decade in the MWC. Take your time to learn about the history that Utah made
during our tenure as one of the top 2 teams in that conference.
The single biggest challenge for the Utes in the Pac-12:Beating
Colorado to stay out of the PAC basement.
UteologyNot even close.In 1984, BYU played a full
13-game D-1 schedule and finished 13-0.In 1944, Utah only played 6
legitimate basketball teams, ALL composed ENTIRELY of freshmen and a few
sophomores, and finished 6-1.Utah's complete list of college
basketball teams played in 1944:Regular SeasonW Idaho State
54-43W @Colorado College 48-34W @Idaho State 52-40NITL Kentucky 38-46NCAAW Missouri 45-35W Iowa State
40-31W Dartmouth 42-40 (OT)The Helms Foundation, the ONLY
neutral national organization of the day to select national champions, named
Army(15-0) in 1944 and Holy Cross(27-3) in 1947 as national champions.It's a provable fact; in 1944, after the vast majority of college
basketball programs had been suspended because of World War II, the Utes won the
most watered-down NCAA tournament in history, NOT, a national championship.
Utes couldn't compete in the WAC.Now the PAC 12?It's to add wins for the others to qualify for bowl games. It's
just that simple.
@Marked it DownAnd the Utes won the most watered-down NCAA
tournament in history in 1944, NOT, a national championship. You don't win
a national championship by winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day, after
losing in the opening round of the premier tournament.------------1984
@Marked It Down:"And the Utes won the most watered-down NCAA
tournament in history in 1944, NOT, a national championship. You don't win
a national championship by winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day, after
losing in the opening round of the premier tournament."So since
you are an expert on national championships, please answer this question. If
Utah's 1944 NCAA basketball championship wasn't the National
Championship, was their 1947 NIT Championship win over Kentucky the National
Championship? You can't have it both ways! Answer, in 1944 Utah won the
National Championship.Speaking of watered-down, BYU's win over
6-6 Michigan, the 7th place team from the BIG 10 in a mid-tiered, pre Christmas
bowl game seems to fit the "watered-down" category quite nicely.The bottom line is, BYU has a national championship in football and Utah
has a national championship in basketball. If you personally don't like
1944 then you can give us the national championship for our "premier
tournament" NIT win over Kentucky, based on your knowledge of basketball in
The Warrior UteBesides the fact that skiing is a coed sport,
it's also not a PAC 12 sport - the only FBS teams that compete in skiing
are Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, and Wyoming.And the Utes won the
most watered-down NCAA tournament in history in 1944, NOT, a national
championship. You don't win a national championship by winning the 2nd rate
tournament of the day, after losing in the opening round of the premier
Ute fans, I love it when the Cougs come out in droves to rain on our PAC 12
parade. Let them. I'm a Ute for life and I love being in the PAC 12.
There will be up and down years. Who cares, we play in a conference with great
tradition and teams. I enjoy looking at my season tickets and seeing Oregon
State, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona State, and Colorado on the schedule. The Utes will get to the Rose Bowl. It may not be this year or even 3 years
from now, but we will get there, and it will be sweet and a fun fan experience
when they do.Utah played in a Sugar Bowl and I was there. It was the
sweetest football day of my life. Tell me Cougs, what is your equivalent...a
win over Texas? The mythical NC over a 6-5 Michigan team?I'm
thrilled to be a Ute, to be a member of the Pac 12 conference, and to play with
some of the greatest traditions in college sports. It feels like it matters.
Playing in the MWC no longer felt that way.
@ anti BCS"When was the last time Utah's men won a national
championship in ANY PAC 12 sport?"Utah won National
Championships in Men's Basketball and Skiing? The Pac-12 has already
counted those National Championships as part of their 459 total National
Championships. Where have you been? Stop your Y'ning now!
The biggest single challenge? Winning games!!!!
Mussing around-I voiced my opinion on the matter, and I don't
believe I've ever ridiculed BYU's recruiting. I'm sorry if the
mean ute fans made fun of your recruits though. That must have been really tough
on you.No, I don't "beat my chest" every time we get a
three-star recruit, but I do when those recruits beat yours on the field. My
only question for you is if Utah beats BYU again, are we going to have another
Virginia-type situation where BYU fans will all have some sort of pity party? I
swear, you all have been more up-and-down than a bipolar teenage girl these past
Duckhunter,You actually replied to my comment. I'm flattered.
You can't change the fact that the Ute's recruiting is better than
Tators,Oh where have you been the past month? Hiding your head in
the sand? Ever since the Pac 12 anouncement the Ute's recruiting has
improved and the local papers have finally published reports about it this
summer. I don't have to wish or imagine or wait for next week. It is a
fact the Cougars can no longer hide from.
Anti BCS,I guess Skiing and basketball dont count?
Anti BCS,Perhaps you missed this, but the University of Utah is in
fact a member of the PAC 12.Please try to keep up on current
IronmanSANTA CLARA, UTUtah did not think this through before
they jumped into the PAC 10.2.---------They
didn't?-Millions upon millions more in revenue every single
year-Better recruits-Better schedules with better attendance-Better national exposure-And a chance to get as far away as possible
from that whiney school down southI'd say they didn't have
much reason to think hard about that invite.Enjoy being a mid-major
Y fans,Who invited you? Seriously, and not just conferences, who
invited you to put in your 2 cents here? The U owns the Y in football, end of
story, not debatable, period, goodbye.
sammygSpringville, UT"In other words, how are the Utes supposed
to use two- and three-star recruits to beat five-star recruits?"I've been asking this question for three years.----------Yet you clearly can't see well enough to ask that about your own
team, which consistently gets worse recruits than Utah does.So
judging by your "logic," BYU will NEVER EVER be a player in CFB.LOLBye now.
DontMUSSwUtah"I think we'll be fine. Look at what 4 & 5
star recruits have done for Texas and USC lately."Duckhunter hit
the nail on the head by pointing out the inconsistencies of Utah fans beating
their chests about every 3-star athlete Utah signs, then ridiculing every 2-star
athlete that BYU signs, then claiming that stars don't matter, then
claiming that stars are only important when Utah's stars are greater than
BYU's stars, then claiming that only Utah is capable of finding diamonds in
the rough and coaching them up.The discordant narrative constantly
playing on the hill is dizzying, especially when certain Utah fans chime in by
whining about BYU fans pointing out the inconsistencies.
You don't just select "USC, because it's USC" unless you
don't really know what you're doing. You select the coach that is
going to develop you the best, or the school with the program that you're
looking for. This article is short sighted and weak to say the best.
The Warrior Ute"Of course it's going to be tough competing
in the PAC 12. That's why it's called the conference of
champions."Unfortunately for U, the Utes aren't, and NEVER
WILL BE, a contributor to the "conference of champions".When
was the last time Utah's men won a national championship in ANY PAC 12
sport?The unfortunate answer to that question is...NEVER!
Here’s how Doug would have advised various U.S. Presidents throughout
history:1860, President Lincoln: By no means start a war with the
Southern States. Those boys are tough and you will never win. And do not build
the transcontinental railroad. The distance is too far. You will never get it
finished.1940, President Roosevelt: Do not go to war with Japan and
Germany. We have one of the smallest militaries in the world and we cannot
possibly compete with them. Their recruits are better trained than ours.1960, President Kennedy: Don’t go to the moon. We don’t
have the engineers and scientists to pull it off. It is too difficult. Stay
home and be happy with what we have. The people will not support you.1977, President Carter: Don’t launch Voyager I. It will take 37 years
for it to leave the solar system. Do you realize how long that is?Thank you U of U President Pershing and AD Hill for believing that there are
challenges that can be conquered. Go PAC 12. Go Utes!
@Duckhunter"LOL at your calls of hypocrisy. BYU fans are
certainly not the hypocrites here, BYU fans are not the ones that get on here
making claims that you have to get highly rated recruits to be any good, it is
utah "fans" doing that."LOL! I was just reading posts
from Y "fans" on a basketball article. Apparently basketball is exempt
from your claims that BYU "fans" don't get caught up in comparing
recruit ratings and rankings? Is in because BYU is currently getting higher
recruits in basketball, while Utah is getting the higher recruits in
football?Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards
or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.Bottom
line, fans are fans. It goes both ways.What I can't understand
is why there are so many negative posts from BYU "fans" on U of U PAC-12
articles. I know the majority of fans from our state were disappointed when
Utah was invited without BYU to the PAC-12. I was hoping BYU would be invited
instead of Colorado but I understand the reasoning why they weren't. Move
forward. Why not wish the best for all Utah programs?
I think we'll be fine. Look at what 4 & 5 star recruits have done for
Texas and USC lately. Not to mention the disappointment that is Tennessee and
Cal almost every year. I will take a good coach who can recruit players that
play well within his scheme any day.
@mormon uteLOL at your calls of hypocrisy. BYU fans are certainly
not the hypocrites here, BYU fans are not the ones that get on here making
claims that you have to get highly rated recruits to be any good, it is utah
"fans" doing that. But for some reason utah "fans" exempt their
own team from that requirement and claim that it is all about
"developing" thier "diamonds in the rough" that for some reason
only utahs coaches are capable of finding and developing. If anyone else signs
an "under the radar" kid then he simply "is what he is" and has
no hope of ever being any more than that.I know it causes you angst
to have BYU fans point out and highlight the inconsistencies, if not downright
hypocrisy, in the utah "fan" comments and mindset, but it is a lot of
fun for the rest of us to point it out and then witness the angst filled
@Tators:"I guarantee that it's only you and fellow Ute
trolls who somehow feel that Utah "soundly beats" BYU when it comes to
recruiting."BYU has averaged an 80.76 recruiting score over the
past three seasons according to 247 Sports. This equates to a low 3 star
athlete (80 thru 89 = 3 stars). Utah has averaged a little higher athlete with
a 84.28 average over the same three year period which equates to a mid 3 star
athlete. Not a lot of difference? 3.52 points per athlete seems to be quite a
difference. That same gap added to Utah would rank the Utes second behind only
USC's 92.93.Since most of the posts for this PAC-12 Utah
article are from obsessed Cougar fans let me point out that the Utes have 17
players in the NFL compared to USU's 6 and BYU's 5. Apparently there
is somewhat of a correlation between recruit rankings and talent.The
key to being able to compete week after week against BCS talent is depth. The
Utes coaching staff has made this a priority. QB depth hurt Utah during the
first two PAC-12 seasons. The future is bright.UTES!
@ TatorsWhile I agree that the assertion that Utah "soundly
beats" BYU in recruiting may be a bit of an over statement, it is not
entirely inaccurate. In fact, if you take the recruiting classes over the past
five years of BYU and Utah an compare them side to side, it is clear that Utah
is winning the recruitment battle. Here is how the last five recruiting classes
stack up:2013Utah 44BYU 702012Utah
28BYU 612011Utah 37BYU 622010Utah 32BYU 402009Utah 44BYU 50It
seems to me that you might be suffering from some of that "selective
memory" you accuse others of. Perhaps you should save some of your
indignation for a more genuine and legitimate subject. Or better yet, maybe
you can save comments about BYU's recruiting for a BYU article.
As an ASU fan and alum, let me chime in and say ASU should beat out Utah in most
recruiting battles. I think visits to Tempe and Salt Lake would make Tempe the
more appealing option to the vast majority of recruits. Why? Weather, location,
entertainment (all four major sports and Mill Avenue) and all the pretty girls
in Tempe. Our tradition is not as good as USC or UCLA's, but it's just
as strong as Utah's. I know, I know. Two BCS bowls for Utah. ASU was within
one drive of winning the national championship in the '97 Rose Bowl and you
have to taken into consideration that Utah looked completely lifeless last year.
So in the Pac-12 South, I think Utah is at best the fourth option for recruits.
It's probably a better choice than Colorado, and it has an advantage over
Tucson because, well, one visit to Tucson and most sensible people scramble away
as quickly as possible.
Of course it's going to be tough competing in the PAC 12. That's why
it's called the conference of champions.Utah will have
it's ups and downs and that's ok. Year in and year out they'll
have a chance to play the best of the best and to play in great bowl games. Being invited to the PAC 12 was a dream come true and Im know Utah fits
perfectly with the other programs. I love it! GO UTES!
@ Mormon Ute:I guarantee that it's only you and fellow Ute
trolls who somehow feel that Utah "soundly beats" BYU when it comes to
recruiting. There are recruits each and every year that both schools tried for
that the other got. I've been following each announcement for quite awhile
and know that to be an absolute fact. You win some and you lose some. Hard core fans on both sides sometimes get selective memories that sometimes
causes them to forget about the ones that got away to the other school. That
might be what you're currently suffering from.It's what
the programs do with who they have that ultimately counts the most. You had the
chance to see last week just how highly BYU can perform with their level of
recruits. They got a lot of national attention for solidly taking out a
national top 15 program. Only the Ute trolls keep trying to minimize that
accomplishment. Perhaps what happens in 8 days will finally make believers out
you. So until then, please save your feelings of irony and hypocrisy
for a more genuine and legitimate subject.
Does anyone else find it funny how desperately certain Ute fans cling to the
54-10 debacle? Yep; that was horrific for Y fans and no-doubt delightful for Ute
fans. But if that's your freshest memory of any kind of meaningful success
or your claim to athletic superiority, I'd say you need a hug. The glorious
move to the PAC 10+(-2) is two years in the rearview mirror and you're
still pounding your chests over an early 2011 blowout of an overrated,
irrelelvant team of pasty, scripture-quoting, 0-2 star athletes that no major
conference wants. Well . . congratulations? Is that the right thing to say? It
doesn't feel right for some reason.
When the question was asked on the first page about how Utah can compete with
Cali schools, I thought to myself, "Just keep on doing what you've been
doing: get overlooked recruits and coach them into position." That is
KW's strength in my opinion and why Utah sometimes puts together a great
team. Sometimes they will struggle, but they will always be good, and sometimes
great.The other thing that Utah can exploit is going to other states
where kids are looking to get out to a big conference school, like Idaho,
Montana, North and South Dakota, New Mexico, etc. Granted some of those places
they will get the second tier, because the first tier is going to BYU (like
idaho), but they could really exploit that.As an honest Coug fan, I
believe Utah will be fine and one day compete well in the PAC. Once they do,
they will get better recruits, but that is when it gets tricky trying to balance
what works with new recruiting power.Utah will be fine, and my Cougs
Didn't I make this same argument a couple of weeks ago?The
player Utah will get is the kid that wants to play in the PAC 12 but
doesn't want to sit on the bench for 2 years waiting their turn. These will
be mostly skill players.From a college football fan perspective, the
state of Utah is in a great position to see all kinds of football. For the first
time (maybe ever) we have 3 different conferences/affiliation to watch! Look at
all the great teams coming into the state!Including: Texas, Georgia
Tech, Boise State (2), Oregon St., UCLA, Stanford, AZ St., Colo. Colo. St.,
Hawaii & Wyo. Thats a pretty good group of games coming to the Wasatch
front. We are indeed fortunate.
Duckhunter and all you other Cougar fans: I find it ironic and somewhat
hypocritical of you to jump on the bandwagon criticizing the Utes recruiting and
saying they can't compete in the Pac 12 as a result while the Cougar
faithful claim the goal of a national title while being soundly beaten by the
Utes in recruiting. So if the Ute's recruiting is really so bad that we
can't compete in the Pac 12, how do the Cougars ever hope to sniff a
national title again with recruiting that is even lower grade?
@ ekute:Since the Utes are yet to win even a single conference game
against an opponent with a winning record, your analogy to car racing would more
closely resemble the Utes puttering around like a Studebaker in a lower gear
while the faster cars in the race have starting lapping them. Until they
can do that and at least start competing in the upper half of the conference
(instead as a cellar contender each year), your comparison to "a top fuel
dragster" is truly quite comical.
Wow! The Cougars jumped on this as soon as they smelled blood. Let us take
care of OSU Saturday and then we'll settle things on the field next week.
This Cougar fan wishes the Utes the best of luck in the PAC-12.While
the article points out a few keys to their recruiting (Poly kids, LDS kids, kids
playing out of position in HS), it overlooked one big one--stability in the
coaching staff. When there are 3-5 head coaches in the conference
getting fired every year, Utah will set itself apart if it maintains stability
in its coaching staff. Kids want to know who will be coaching them and look
favorably on staffs that have been intact for a few years. Getting their OC
situation stabilized will help.While Utah won't ever get the
recruiting classes that go to the California school, I expect them to be in a
PAC-12 championship game within the next five years. You only have to finish
first in a 6 team division and with two of those team being habitually
non-competitive its really only a four team division. As Utah
showed in its first year, with favorable inter-Division scheduling (USC plays OR
and Stanford, Utah does not), you can win the Division with a mediocre season.
@ There You Go Again:And there you go again... making comparisons to
BYU when this article is strictly about Utah.But since you started this
"not once" stuff regarding whether Utah is worthy of it's
conference membership, lets add one more...Not even once has Utah
beaten a conference member with a winning record, since joining up. Not at home,
not on the road. Ouch!@ Mister J:BYU is not living off
of past accomplishments. That's strictly your take. In fact, they've
been busy building new accomplishments on the national level with what they did
to Texas last game, and continuing with what they will be doing to Utah next
game. Stay tuned.Nobody should let Chris B read this article. He
will be heartbroken to find out Utah has mostly picked over 2 and 3 star
recruits, left over from the California schools who continue dominating the
conference year in and year out. All this time, he's been bragging as if
Utah has had the best in the land highest star recruits. Let's play nice
and not burst his bubble.
ekute thinks the Utes are a top fuel dragster going 300 mph. Good one ek.
Another reason Doug Robinson is my favorite DNews columnist. This entry sums up
perfectly my very first thoughts upon hearing the U was joining the PAC-12. He
is always spot on in his analysis and obviously does a lot of homework to back
it up. The diamonds in the rough have to be Utah's focus - the Eric Weddles
and Trevor Reillys of the world don't come around often, but they are out
there and it takes a special recruiting talent to see beyond what is to what can
be. Grateful we have those kinds of recruiters.
Interesting article but I think the whole premise is flawed. That being;
“you can only win with 4 & 5 star recruits and the California schools
get most of those recruits.” Utah has proven with two undefeated seasons
and BYU with its recent upset win over Texas that this is false.There is so much talent coming out of high schools and much of it is
undeveloped. Paul Kruger, Eric Weddle, and Ziggy Ansah come quickly to mind.
There are many other Utes that now draw NFL pay checks who were not recruited by
the USC’s of the world.For those jealous BYU fans, Utah has
for the most part been competitive in Football the last two years even though
that has not always meant wins. Being competitive means: “being in the
games with a chance to win.” Utah is clearly improved this year at QB,
O-Line and Line backing over last year’s team. Do I think Utah will run
the table? No. They will have a nice season and will keep building to become one
of the better teams in the PAC-12.Go Utes!
A great article that explains (indirectly) why BYU has hit its peak and would
not do well in a major conference. While it is tough to compete with the
California schools, Utah's recruiting HAS improved. As an independent,
BYU's recruiting has not (if anything, it has dropped). BYU recruiting
would not improve if they moved into a major conference. WAC/MWC/Indy BYU has
always recruited the same kids. When the major conferences split
Division One football, BYU will thrive after being left behind. They'll
compete for lower division "national titles" year after year against
teams like Boise State. ESPN doesn't air a lot of Division Two football
games, but the Granite Flats HD truck will ride to the rescue!
Fred Whittingham hit the nail on the head. The "star" system of
recruits is hit and miss at best. He is completely correct in identifying how
attitudes that an athlete possesses determines his success many times even
though his talent level may be high. Jake Heaps is case in point. Yet so is
Eric Weddle. Weddle was a two maybe three star recruit. He's now an All
Pro. Jake? We'll see, but I'm not sure he will have the same impact
in the NFL that Weddle has. I'm a die hard Coug, but I know that the Utes
are well coached and will compete in the PAC 12. I think Utah has taken the
same tack as BYU in recruiting good kids that maybe don't have the
"stars" next their name but will work their tails off to become better
players, Chris B's inanities notwithstanding.
Haha utah will never compete. Not like us could. Byu would go to PAC and so
totally dominate. We all ready win many awards for are recruiting and in PAC we
would get anyone we want like always. Usc coaches would ask us how we do it.
"a middle to bottom of the PAC team, which might occassionally have a break
out year in the PAC,"You mean like everybody else in the
conference not named Oregon or USC? UW was terrible 5 years ago, and now their
program is looking pretty strong. WSU made Rose Bowl appearances in 1998 and
2003. Even Stanford was a joke until about 2008. Just because the Utes have had
a rough entry into the PAC, it does not mean they are going to be that way
forever. Plus, those "occasional" break-out seasons have the potential
to be REALLY special. Far more so than anything Utah could have achieved during
the MWC days, which is saying something.Nobody cheers for Utah
because we're national titles contenders. Ute fans come to the games
because we're proud of our university and of our state. Plus it's fun
to see our team compete against some of the best teams in the country week in
and week out. Negative comments from posters like Ute Busters completely miss
the mark. Utah is not a whipping boy, it's a school trying to grow and take
advantage of a great opportunity.
Sad story. Brings an even brighter spot light to next Saturday.
why the gloom? women's gymnastics rock! judging by their attendance (bigger
than basketball) i'm not the only one that thinks so
@TJ"BYU has always had to deal with recruiting player that fit
the BYU mold, but guess what, they won a NC"It was a long time
ago when they were awarded the NC by beating the worst teams college football
had to offer, and not playing one single good team. The rules have been
drastically changed so something like could never happen again, because it was
Look at the bright side, utah football players will have plenty of down time to
study for finals in December.
@Play Nice,From the article: "The Utes’ recruiting program
will continue much the same as always. Utah athletes are the Utes’ biggest
recruiting priority, then comes California."
Did the Deseret News just recycle and article from the day Utah got an invite
into the PAC? I'm pretty sure I have read this before and heard it before
from every Y fan I know. The reality is that Utah can recruit and compete with
any team in the conference. Travis Wilson had offers from Zona State, UCLA, and
Washington. Hiva Lutui had offers from Michigan, Texas A&M, USC. Utah has
and will continue to be successful in its recruiting. Those are just a couple
examples. Please keep in mind that these recruit rating websites are incapable
of analyzing a potential recruits work ethic and personality traits. In addition
K Whitt and Utah have built a national reputation for taking 2 star or walk on
players and turning them into first round draft picks and NFL pro bowlers. Pita
Tonga saw the light.
@ There You Go AgainThis article is about Utah competing in the PAC
10.2. Try to stay on point with your comments.
Another factor to consider is that Utah does not have the warm winter climate
that most of the blue-chippers favor. They would rather walk around campus in
shorts and flip-flops than trudge through the snow and endure the bitter cold
and the delightful temperature inversions that The Hill has to offer.Utah did not think this through before they jumped into the PAC 10.2. The big
boys in the conference invited Utah and Colorado so that they would have enough
teams for a conference championship game so that they could try to compete with
the SEC. Utah took the bait, and now they will be perennial bottom dwellers.
But, they are in the PAC 10.2!
I agree with Robbie - the utes will always be bottom feeders of the Pac-12.
"The single biggest challenge for the Utes in the Pac-12..."Misguided arrogance and being a small fish in a big pond.Utah fans
talked tough when the Utes were invited to the PAC, claiming that the Utes could
compete with anybody and would be playing for PAC championships, Rose Bowls, and
national championships right off the bat.Now that two straight
conference losing seasons have slapped them in the face with reality,
they've been forced to resort to whiny excuses for being right where BYU
fans said they'd be from the beginning - a middle to bottom of the PAC
team, which might occassionally have a break out year in the PAC, but for the
most part would be nothing more than a middle-of-the-PAC whipping boy for the
big boys of the conference to pad their conference records.The Utes
couldn't even claim a gift-wrapped PAC south when USC was ineligible and
the other teams in the division finished below .500. That window of opportunity
is now closed as Washington State and Colorado are both improving and the Utes
won't even have those two fellow bottom dwellers as gimmies.
Utah's approach to winning is a sad quest. As a representative of Utah the
number one priority should be players from Utah. If that is not the case then
change the name of the university to University of California Utah campus.
Congratulations to the dnews on writing an article about the University of Utah
without the seemingly obligatory, "...as for BYU..." part. It's an
article about the U. It doesn't need to talk about BYU, and miraculously,
it doesn't. I didn't think that was possible. Good job, Robinson.Now if you could just get your headline folks to read the article before
they write the article...
awww come on guys. Why all the doom and gloom? So what if the we have a
difficult time recruiting? We'll have some decent teams and have decent
records scattered throughout the years.In the meantime, think of the
additional money that will be coming in because of the PAC12. Wouldn't you
be willing to give up a few wins for a few million extra every year? I hear the
administration is thinking of changing our colors from the traditional red and
white to Green and black in honor of the extra Dinero's being banked.
Would you rather watch a top fuel dragster trying to go 300 mph in the quarter
mile and fail to hit the mark or a VW trying to 65 mph and hit the mark every
time.Then the fans of the VW proclaim "We're better because
we hit our mark every time."Not to mention what happens when
they go head to head.Go Utes! If we go 130 mph it's less then
half way to our goal but it's still twice as good as what the VW did.
You know what is real funny to me? To watch BYU fans cycle around like they
do...just like in 1984...they beat a few highly ranked teams early (who turned
out to be bad teams by the end of the season) and then played whomever's,
went undefeated and enjoyed a NC. When you only have a few good opponents each
year and play them early, things like this can happen!Conversely,
great programs like to play up! Example, using Cougie logic, why would Missouri
leave the friendly confines of the BIG 12 to join the SEC? Think they will
knock off LSU, Florida, Alabama anytime soon? Or will they simply become an
elite program because they play these folks and SC, Georgia and others weekly?
South Carolina is considered elite due to their strength of schedule and quality
of play! Not because they win the Poinsetta Bowl against Hawaii every year!We seem to have different methods and different measuring sticks...
@DuckhunterI've had season tickets for 28 straight years and
the majority of the people in my section have been their 20+ years. Your
reference to Utah "fans" is typically erroneous.The
University of Utah knew as they entered the PAC-12 that overall depth would be
the biggest problem competing week after week with BCS teams. Depth at each
position is improving but it takes several recruiting classes to address.FYI, 247 Sports average recruit score for the past three seasons (2011 -
2013):1. USC 92.932. Stanford 88.513. Oregon 87.714. UCLA 86.895. Cal 86.516. Washington 85.317. Utah 84.288. Arizona St. 83.509. Oregon St. 83.2210. Colorado 82.1511.
Arizona 82.0212. Washington St. 80.28Other schools of interest
and where they would place in the PAC-12:BYU 80.76 (11th)USU 75.06
(12th)Notre Dame 88.18 (3rd)Alabama 91.94 (2nd)Texas 91.21
(2nd)Boise St. 82.06 (10th)Utah is currently in the middle of
the PAC-12 but could improve their position with a couple of strong recruiting
TCU lost to Texas Tech... playing in a Power Conference is tough, eh Sammyg. But
what would you know, your team is second tier. Can't even beat a bottom
feeder Pac team.
Virginia got destroyed... Texas isn't that good. Frauds!
@SammygSince you like to be 'perplexed', will that team in
Provo play in a BCS Bowl this year? Come on Sammyg... tell us! It's your
teams last year!
I think most Ute fans were realistic in there expectations coming into the PAC
12. Last year was disappointing. It certainly won't be the last
disappointing season the Utes have. But they have some great years ahead of them
too. Here's to hoping this year is one of them. That's the
way college football works. After several years of mediocrity Stanford is a
force, while UCLA ascends from the basement and USC falls off the cliff.
What's exciting as a Ute fan during these first few years in the PAC 12 is
watching the U define itself within the context of the PAC 12. I think Utah is
well positioned to have several years of success. My main hope for
this year is that Utah can do well so that coach Whit can establish some deeper
roots at the U. I would love to see him pull a Tom Osbourne or LaVell Edwards
and solidify the winning tradition that the Utes have fought hard for into a
long term tradition of success.
I'm sorry to read this. I guess the utes are doomed. Maybe they would
have been better to stay in the MWC.
"In other words, how are the Utes supposed to use two- and three-star
recruits to beat five-star recruits?"I've been asking this
question for three years. Several of us knew all along that the Utes would not
succeed in the conference as they said they would. It defies all logic.Since the Utes have yet to beat a PAC10.2 team with a winning record in their
glorious conference I'm curious as to their answer to this perplexing
question.(crickets)Maybe the Utesies should watch that
BYU film from last week?LOL
@ Stringer...No, I don't have any "frantic concern," as we defeated
#15 Texas no problem. (Oh, that's right, Texas was crummy, according to
U.) I also don't reduce myself to making fun of other's screen names,
but I can see why you think it's a clever answer.@ Hey
Baby...Your wish is granted. Having only won 7 of 18 conference games, U will
sit home every bowl season. Enjoy. Every year, too....what a bonus....Home for
the Holidays!@ Mister J...I didn't live in the past, unless you
think referring to Utah joining the PAC 12 was "past history."
Remember, they don't have 8 victories yet in the conference and this is the
team that was going to play Oregon in the first year's championship game
with a greased schedule but couldn't handle powerhouse Colorado in SLC with
Norm Chow as OC. My, what a "Past" Utah has in the PAC 12, huh? Surely
all Utes are proud beyond expression. That's ok; it likely won't
improve anytime soon. They are Arizona wannabees.
"...the prestige of belonging to the PAC 12... just saying that maybe they
don't really merit being there..."Not once, in the past two
years, has UTAH been destroyed, by 44 points, at home.Not once, in
the past two years, have UTAH players quit, on themselves, while being whipped,
by 44 points, at home.Not once, in the past two years, have UTAH
players quit on each other, while being man-handled, by 44 points, at home.Not once, in the past two years, have UTAH players quit on their
coaches, while being beat-down ,by 44 points, at home.Just
saying...maybe the team that certainly does not merit being, in the PAC-12, is
one that achieved all, of the above.
I think MOST of us knew this going in didn't we? We knew it would be tough
to recruit against the other schools, but that is part of the fun. Remember,
we've had 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins in the last 10 years,
and that was with 3stars as well. It actually makes it more fun when you beat
the 4-5 star teams. The Y just beat a Texas team that said they had the #1 and
#2 high school running backs or something like that. You don't have to have
a team of 5 star recruits to beat the teams that do. That's where coaching
comes in. I'm ok staying on the "bandwagon" as I have since the
80's and will support the Utes win or lose. We all have our Ducks,
Sammy's and Chris's, but most of us love and support our teams no
matter what. Why is that so hard for some to understand. I love having fun with
Y fans on here, but I respect them for their passion for their team. Most of us
just like to tease one another, but some... well, you know.
Components of a successful recruiting program might include a bit more than
mentioned in the article.Yes it includes the ability to attract the
large star recruits, but also:1. Program reputation, & hopefully
Utah is on the rise.2. Available Playing time. No fun going to a USC or
UCLA if you're sitting on the bench.3. Strength of Conference. Utah
joining the PAC12 has been mentioned by several recent recruits as a decisive
factor in their choice.4. Previous success in players being drafted, a la
Star.5. Quality of the coaching staff & their previous success in
launching players into the NFL.6. Family ties to a program /
university.7. And stars do not always guarantee success, as BYU
unfortunately experienced with Heaps.So yes Rivals stars are fun to
see, but the large number of high school programs and the existence of
"diamonds in the rough" still provide significant opportunity.And we know from Coach Whitt that recruitment is high priority. So recruiting is certainly a challenge for Utah, but recent success in, for
example, QB recruitment is a positive sign a system is in place, and Utah's
recruiters know how to work it.
@Guam_BombAnd as long as the Ute coaching staff can coach them
'up', Ute football will be alright. Good comment.
The U is in the same position as Arizone, ASU and Washington, Washington State
and Oregon State. They are a great place for a second tier recruit to go and
make a name for himself. Look at Alex Smith. Second tier recruit out
of High School, made the most out of his opportunities at Utah. Compare that to
Jake Heaps, who was considered by some to be the best QB recruit his senior
year. As long as Utah stays the course and remains a place where
kids can get an opportunity to be successful at the next level, they will
continue to attract the level of talent that can compete in the PAC 12.
re: Ducky, toosmrt, & TJY live in the past its over? What is the
point of bringing it up ad naseauam? Insecurity, perhaps?Do you really think Miami, CU, Notre Dame, Army, Ga Tech, OU, Clemson, etc...
live off past accomplishments?
Duck...welcome back!!!It's good to have you pounding your chest
again! We missed you after the UVA fiasco...Glad you're
back...Utah will be just fine...glad were not a part of the no
conference conference... Happy eternal San Diego poinsettia credit union San
Diego bowl...it will be yours forever...And yes, I would rather have
a shot at the BIG BOWLS and when I suck, have to sit home.
Notsosmart and duckDo you have the same frantic concern over the
"no-star" recruiting of your school? You should.
Ask Arizona how they have fared over the last couple decades in the PAC 12.This sounds a bit like buyer's remorse; we want in but now we
can't compete; quite different from "We're going to the Rose
Bowl." But then, the big California schools realize Utah brings nothing to
the table (other than forming a 12-team league and even Colorado was invited
ahead of Utah) but yet they must slice the pie such that the Utes get a share.
The only schools happy Utah are in the league are the bottom feeders, like
Washington State, Arizona and Colorado because now they can push Utah to the
bottom or close to it. If you don't believe that, why were the Utes picked
to finish 5th out of 6 in their division?I'm not saying the
Utes don't thoroughly enjoy the prestige of belonging to the PAC 12,
I'm just saying that maybe they don't really merit being there.
Pretty bleak outlook if you take Robinson at his word, and I do. I doubt utah
will ever be more than an occasional contender in the pac12. utah "fans"
do not like that fact but it is never the less how it will be. Knowing that I
wonder how long utah "fans" will pay close attention and actually attend
games. Time is going to give us those answers but I doubt utah "fans" of
the chris b, naval vet, or gored type will be paying much attention in a few
years although they'll always wait for that occasional decent year to hop
onto the bandwagon and pretend they never fell off.