BYU football: Cougars encouraged by performance vs. Texas but remain focused on improving

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  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Keys to BYU defeating Utah.
    1. O-Line must continue to improve.
    2. Hill must become more accurate with 10-15 yard pass. He doesn't need to throw it so hard at that distance but to show some touch.
    3. Defense must be able to stop Ute running game and force them to pass. (A one dimensional Utah offense is good for BYU)
    4. Defense must put pressure on QB. (They don't have to sack him but they must be able to knock him down multiple times.)
    5. Safeties must help the corners. Linebackers will be able to create a lot of havoc so safeties can provide assistance.

    There are still many questions to be answered for both teams. Nobody really knows how good or bad these two teams really are. The game on the 21st is going to answer that question. If BYU O-Line can do it's job and produce holes, it will be a very long night for Utah fans. If that is the case, Bronco needs to follow the pattern from movie Remember the Titans. "Run it up Herman. Leave no doubt."

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    @Tilka - It's not about Torque. Actually, you can have disc problems pretty easily. I learned that the hard way. Williams will be fine. They will treat it with ice, heat and some other therapy to help the muscles relax. Actually, that is what causes so much pain. The muscles over react to protect the disc and as a result, they press down on the spinal cord. That is what causes the pain. Once the muscles relax, the disc will heal and he'll be fine. I expect him to be at full strength by game time.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 3:00 p.m.


    "Van Noy's term "bloodbath" referred to the intensity and effort we will see from both teams. He is not predicting what he thinks BYU will do to Utah."

    Bloodbath defined: an event or situation in which many people are killed in a violent manner.

    While no player will literally be killed in the game, don't kid yourself by thinking KVN wouldn't like to try and take out the opposition all by himself. He's never beaten the Utes, and there's a good chance he never will. And unfortunately for KVN, there are plenty of Utes players who would also like to take out KVN and Co. as well. Literal bloodbath, no. Genuine hatred and angst leading to both teams giving maximum effort on every single play of the game? Without a doubt. This "bloodbath" is going to be extremely entertaining!

    Go Utes!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Ronald Uharriet

    BYU did practice Monday; they simply didn't start practicing specifically for Utah until Wednesday.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Last Saturday's game vs Texas reminds me of the good ol' days of the 1980's. I was sooooooo proud.
    It also reminded me of the season we beat #3 Oklahoma at the Dallas Cowboy's new stadium, only to come
    home and lose to a much lower ranked Florida State.

    I also remember how we went to Va. favored by 4, but lost by 3 points.
    I also remember how #15 Texas came to Provo favored by 7 but lost by 19 points.

    I totally understand and appreciate the celebration of that Texas game all day Sunday. I do not understand
    why we are not working our tails off Monday and Tuesday. Why are we waiting until Wednesday to practice for the Utah game?

    We should look at this Utah game as a real threat underdog that would love to ruin our season by beating us and put us back on the Va. type low that we experienced just a couple weeks ago.

    We can not go into this Utah game knowing that we will beat them. Instead, we must go into that came prepared to protect our new high, wich we found in the Texas game last Saturday.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    The change in play was remarkable — and quite stark.

    “It happens when your players lose their jobs and there’s a sense of urgency,” Mendenhall said

    It's about darn time players were held accountable for poor play. Last year it went on for weeks and weeks with Riley Nelson being the chief Captain of poor play. This year one week was all it took.

    Nice to have you back Bronco, we've missed you!

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 10:32 a.m.


    Posterized: "A slang term depicting a play in basketball. In said play, a player dunks the ball over top or in front of another player, making a play so picturesque that it may appear on a poster, hence the term, posterized."

    While your term does not apply, all Tonga did was catch a TD pass after pushing off of Van Noy. Should have been offensive PI.

    Van Noy will be in the NFL next year and will be the highest 2014 drafted player of anybody on the field in Provo on 9/21. Nobody with any football knowledge disagrees.

    Van Noy's term "bloodbath" referred to the intensity and effort we will see from both teams. He is not predicting what he thinks BYU will do to Utah.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:17 p.m.


    What forgotten years before 1922?

    Not counting a spring scrimmage that the Utes claimed was a real game in order to even the series, BY Academy won the 1896 to 1898 series over Utah 3-2.

    In the last 50 years (modern history), BYU has dominated the Utes:

    BYU 30, Utah 20

    BYU 398-203-4 (66%)
    Utah 314-257-3 (55%)

    AP Top 25 Finishes:
    BYU 17, Utah 5

    Coaches Top 25 Finishes:
    BYU 18, Utah 7

    If the utesies were really as "dominant" as they claim to be, they would have been ranked more often than BYU, right?

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Except for 2004/2008, Utah's "undefeated" seasons are laughable, ZERO 10-win seasons:
    7-0, 5-0-2 (shutout by BYU 0-0), 7-0, 8-0, 6-0-2 (tied by BYU 6-6, shutout by Denver 0-0)

    BYU has had SIXTEEN 10-win seasons, including ELEVEN 11-win seasons.
    Utah has only had SIX 10-win seasons, including only TWO 11-win seasons.

    Bronco has had more 11-win seasons since 2006, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    @chris b

    I don't know why you belittle WAC programs when the uties bypass them on their schedule to get Big Sky teams to play... Although the one WAC team you did play last year ended up embarrassing y'all so I guess I can see the insecurity being demonstrated...

    On 9-21-13 LES

    BYU (1-1) 31 uties (2-1) 10

    Mark it down.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Sept. 10, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    Chris B. The amazing (and hilarious at the same time) about all of your smack about BYU being a WAC quality team is that you fail to acknowlege the red elephant standing on the small podium at the bottom of the PAC12.

    Utah is a WAC quality team that exists in a AQ conference. Their record support that statement.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 4:49 p.m.


    Nice try; overshadowing Utah's domination since 2002, and the y's 8 losses to the U in the last 11 years, by going back 50 years. Every time a y "fan" tries to spin history like that, they are REALLY talking about half of LaVell's seasons and half of Roscoe's seasons, which they want to compare to Utah's down decade or two and to last season.

    If we look at the first 50 years (to accommodate those sensitive souls at the y who ignore "The Forgotten Years" before 1922), Utah was dominant the full 50 years. From 1922 through the 1971 season, BYU's record was 173-235-26, a 42% winning record, 1 conference championship and no bowl games.

    During that same time period, Utah's record was 296-167-21, a 64% winning record, 19 conference championships, and 3 bowl games.

    Utah dominated the head-to-head results, 38-5-4.

    Yes, that 1984 y team that backed into a national championship is hard for Ute fans to take. But that was the only undefeated season the y has had in its entire history. Utah has had 4 in since 1922, 2 in the last 10 years.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 4:48 p.m.


    Something that has happened (my example), versus something that hasn't and probably won't (yours). byu fans are nothing if not consistent.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 3:52 p.m.


    The same Kyle Van Noy who's going to posterize Wilson this year.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 3:49 p.m.


    How has it felt to constantly finish behind a "WAC quality" team for most of the last 50 years, including 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era?

    Year - AP/Coaches/Sagarin - Team - Record

    2005 unranked/#55 BYU(6-6) < unranked/#51 Utah(7-5)
    2006 #16/#15/#19 BYU(11-2) > unranked/#54 Utah(8-5)
    2007 #14/#15/#17 BYU(11-2) > unranked/#34 Utah(9-4)
    2008 #25/#21/#32 BYU(10-3) < #2/#4/#5 Utah(13-0)
    2009 #12/#12/#15 BYU)11-2) > #18/#18/#24 Utah(10-3)
    2010 unranked/#45 BYU(7-6) < ur/#23/#26 Utah(10-3)
    2011 ur/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(10-3)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

    Kyle has a bcs win, something BYU has never accomplished.
    Bronco has four consecutive AP Top 25 finishes, something Utah has never accomplished.

    In fact, the Utes have never had more than two consecutive AP Top 25 finishes, something BYU has accomplished numerous times.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    "That's okay because it's going to be a bloodbath."-Kyle Van Noy

    Is that the same Kyle Van Noy who was posterized by Westlee Tonga in Utah's first TD of the game last year? That catch coming from a player mind you, who isn't even the best tight end on the Utah team. Yeah bleedcougarblue, byu sure does have better athletes...

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Chris B

    You made a similar promise before the BYU at SDSU basketball game during Jimmermania, then reneged on that promise after BYU crushed the Aztecs on national TV.

    Why should we believe you this time?

    btw, the Utes were WINLESS versus the WAC last year (in the WAC's final year as a football conference). In fact, the Utes have a two-game losing streak in football going versus the WAC.

    Of course, if U want to continue that tradition of losing to WAC teams, you could start playing UVU in basketball.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    true blue,

    I made the same promise last year

    And the year before

    And the year before

    And who at the crow all those years?

    byu is a WAC quality program and we will beat them like the WAC program they are.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    And oh yeah, let's not allow Utah any deep pass TDs or other big plays, in any way, so we don't have to repeat that tired old worn out phrase, "Oh flip, not again!" But knowing these two teams, there will probably be nail biting situations and last minute heroics and crazy ball bounces that will determine the outcome, no matter how either plays...or not. And maybe the coaches DID know TH was going to do all that running. Ya think?

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    I've been a little worried about all the press from some of the Cougs implying that the TX game got everything fixed for
    us and no worries, mate. Is it possible that even the coaches didn't anticipate that outcome, that it wasn't in their plan, and that TH just found a way to run, along with Jamal? We have a big season ahead with a lot of powerhouses to contend with. And now they know we can run and can't pass very well. So who would you be keying on if you were our next opponent? I say we stay humble, work on execution, devise a few other scenarios like options and draws and soft passes and long passes and shovel passes and a few other things to keep the defenses guessing. And did i mention execution? And oh yeah, execution. We did a lot of good things in the TX game. Utah is a different animal to corral and put away. This year has to be the year, no game giveaways with mistakes and overconfidence. And no fear! But I sure enjoyed the TX game. Hope we see more of the same! Go Cougs!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    @chris b

    As long as they leave their homespun referees to tend to other PAC12 fixes the uties will be in trouble... Had there been an honest game called against USU they would have lost by 2 TDs...

    Wilson won't know what hit him... I suspect he will be running for his life every time he hits the field... And the uties run game is , well... Non-existent...

    BYU 31 uties 10

    Mark it down and highlight it.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Re: SLC

    If you've seen Hill make the high percentage passing thing work then it must have been in HS. So far he's looking worse than Nelson.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:23 a.m.


    If an opposing team wishes to deny Hill his run game, it will take 11 of them... If they invest all their assets in stopping his run, he's decent enough with the pass to make them pay through the air...

    Have faith your neighbor for crying outloud, I do and I don't even live in the neighborhood.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    @Tilka, I was concerned too... But then he looked like he was healthy in the post game interview... I would be surprised if he is anything but a little sore.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    A "bloodbath"? Ouch!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    "Humble pie coming!"

    Yes there will be little sister, yes there will be.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    No chris b, the real question is will you keep your promise and NEVER post another negative comment about BYU EVER when BYU beats the Utes on September 21st?

    Lots of crow eating coming!

    Sept. 10, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    "Cougars encouraged by performance vs. Texas but remain focused on improving"

    Exactly right, determined improvement is the name of the game. Clearly BYU's athletes put the team first and not only believe they can improve, they are determined to improve. Good coaching and attitude goes a long way, Go Cougars!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    It will be great to watch Utah put byu back in their place.

    The only question is which excuse byu fans will use after Utah beats them for the FOURTH time in a row?

    bad weather?
    byu gave the game away?

    I think the Texas game has byu players and fans back to thinking they are BCS bowl material.

    Can't wait to bring them crashing back down to reality

    Humble pie coming!

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    I think Texas came in thinking to stop a traditional BYU passing offense and did not respect the run game. They were then caught flat footed when cougs run through around and over them. Bad game plan, but the wonder is they could not make more effective adjustments at the half.

  • MarkMAN West Columbia, TX
    Sept. 10, 2013 7:31 a.m.


    Not sure that will happen. He lived down the street from me some years ago. Good kid great family. Knew all of them. Older brothers great kids and athletes not quite as good as he, but he has never shown great abilities to pass not at Highland or now.

    If he doesn't the season is 5 and 7 4 and 8. There will not be a team that will let run a yard. They caught one off guard. Yes, I hope I am absolutely wrong. Would love to be wrong. Would eat crow if I am wrong.

    They have the tools to be great this year but for some reason they do not want to go there. Just strange to me, strange.


  • MarkMAN West Columbia, TX
    Sept. 10, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    Well as a diehard Cougar fan diehard 7/27 is the only story worth even discussing. There isn't a team coming that will let them run a yard.


  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    I stayed positive, to the consternation of several pessimists, and believed that the team that played Virginia would disappear. They are gone. The team that played Texas was great but that team has left the rear view mirror also. The best part of college football is that each week the team can reinvent it's self for the next team. I don't believe these coaches intend to be stagnant and not improve. I have loved every game of the last 33 and I have loved the examples of how they have handled success and adversity.
    I think Coach Mendenhall has set his own path and it's as enjoyable as LaVell's years were.

    Some people have panicked at Taysom HIll's passing numbers. Don't be surprised if you learn he over comes the glitch in the next two weeks. I have seen him make the high percentage passing game work and despite people claiming they have shut down the option read they didn't really seem to do all that well with Chuckie Keeton.

    Expect the improvement to be dramatic. I'm optomistic.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    Has anyone received a report on whether Williams back is seriously hurt? That kind of torque could rupture a disc.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    It's just about time... I'm looking forward to it so much that there is scarcely anything else I think about... The sad part is that it only lasts for 3 hours or so and then it's gone... However, it will be very saisfying to look back on for the next 3 years.

    I'm worried about so many things: Will utah let Kyle go when it's over (I hope not)?; what will chris b do when he serves out his self-imposed gag order for a year?; will our seniors be able to contain the excitement that they have harnessed for nearly 4 years?; will the uties ever want to play us again or will they be like Washington State and look to schedule more Big Sky games instead in hopes of some day qualifying for a bowl game?; will the PAC12 decide that they don't want utah as part of their conference anymore?

    Lots of stuff to think about... Some advise to my utie fan friends... Remember, it's just a game and we all can't be great at every sport we play... (They still have gymnastics, skiing, and ping pong, etc.)

    Just 12 short days away...

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Sept. 9, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    BYU by 12.


    Because the Cougars are slightly superior athletically but......primarily because the Cougars want it MORE!

    Go Cougars!

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    Utah plays at this altitude all the time and knows how to stop an unbalanced offense. BYU will need to practice the passing game "hard and fast" the next two weeks to have a chance at beating Utah who currently have Bronco's number.

    Go Cougars