Dick Harmon: Spectacular BYU defense gets relief in a down Hill runner

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    Sept. 10, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Tomahawk, we may like different teams but, your spacing and caps are kind of funny. Keep up the good work!

    I think the match-up between Utah and BYU is quite even...even though BYU cannot pass the ball. Never thought I'd see the day BYU relied on rushing and defense.

    Most importantly, why are you already posting about BYU? BYU has a bye but, Utah has a big game this weekend. It might be best to divert attention to that first...

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:09 a.m.


    Wowzers, very awesome comment. I have to agree with my fellow Cougs, don't invent anything that isn't there. And I've already heard, with my own ears, how the Utes are Rose Bowl bound, "I'm smelling roses" to be exact, over and over. All because of a big win over a division 2 program. Is this win over Texas big? Of course it is. It's been awhile for the BYU to get a big win like that, so please don't accuse us of being over confident especially when they were major underdogs.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Sept. 9, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    I can look outside my office window and see the University of Texas campus. I keep up with the Longhorns though I am first and foremost a Cougar fan. The Longhorns have actually been on the skids lately on defense, going back to last year, and in particular against the run. Credit BYU for being able to exploit that relative weakness in record fashion, but I wouldn't expect Utah and the remaining teams to look like the Texas blowout. Hill's going to have to improve his passing game if the Cougars are to march forward through a tough schedule.

    [By the way, the Longhorns fired defensive coach Manny Diaz a day after the game, and Mack Brown is getting back on the hot seat for not having a dominating program, which is what they expect down here. Most people think Brown needs to go at least 10-2 with a good bowl showing to keep fans at bay.]

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Sept. 8, 2013 5:28 p.m.


    Beating Texas is a big deal regardless of how it gets spun by the detractors. And you are correct, BYU should not let it go to their heads.

    I'm not sure why you came onto this article to lecture BYU fans about talking smack when it is almost always ute fans that show up in attempts to turn the topic of a BYU victory into something all about the utes. There must be a pshychiatric term for this behavior but I don't know what it is. The terms "Inferiority complex" and "Obsessed" come to mind.

    Also, I know that BYU would never have scored 70 points on Weber State had they played them yesterday. This is where B.M. and K.W. are different. Bronco would call off the dogs and prevent his team from running up the score. Whittingham doesn't. In fact he even called an onside kick against Wyoming while up 50-0 a few years ago.

    One thing I will give Utah credit for. The do know how to get up for the rivalry game.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Taysom Hill will never be a Steve Young or Ty Detmer, or even a John Beck. Actually the QB he reminds me of most is Jake Locker. BYU fans ought to remember how as a sophomore Jake Locker couldn't complete a pass to save his life, but was still able to gash opposing defenses with his feet. Under the tutelage of another great BYU QB, Locker did improve as a passer, but he never completed more than 58% of his passes as a college QB. I expect that we will see similar results with Taysom Hill. His athleticism is undeniable, but so is his lack of accuracy. I do think his passing will improve over time, but not dramatically. He will probably end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of a 50% passer at best, which is more than enough when combined with his ability to gash the defense with his feet like we saw last night against Texas, who has some of the fastest players in Division 1. With his speed and strength, he doesn't need to be surgical, he just needs to be accurate enough to force defenses to defend the pass as well as the run.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    Cougar fans were quite humble knowing Texas was an 8 point favorite while the amiable and polite Longhorn fans were in stark contrast to BYU's instate rivals. Aside from winning, it was a great game to attend and represents what college athletics should be.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    It might be well to remember that BYU did not always play smart in the 4th quarter, amassing bone head penalties, and turnovers. It took a bone head play or two by the Longhorns to certain the victory. Some of the teams up next will not be so accommodating.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    I wonder what the score would have been if BYU were playing, let's say, Weber State?

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Very proud of my Cougars. Utah trolls out in force. Can't wait for 2 weeks to watch Utah get all keyed up but BYU to knock them off their tower.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    Utes, and their fans will be vAn Noyed in a couple weeks.

    Jimmer up and admit defeat.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Lets get something straight, this was not an upset.
    An upset is when an inferior team pulls out a last minute win against all odds over a higher profile and higher ranked opponent.
    This game was a beat down.
    Texas returned 19 starters to a team that finished last season ranked in the top 20. That consistently pulls in top 5 recruiting classes and regularly competes for national championships. And BYU dominated them in every aspect of the game.

    HUGE turnaround for the O-line. 550 yds rushing and ZERO sacks against one of the best defensive fronts in college football. The defense was stout, getting 5 sacks and holding a very good UT offense to countless 3 and outs. With a healthy CB corps, BYU holds Texas to 10pts max. Even with 3rd and 4th string corners being targeted constantly, BYU held Ash and Co. to 21pts. This defense is the real deal.

    I'm cautiously optimistic that the offense will continue to perform, but it is clearly on the shoulders of the O-line. And Hill MUST be better passing down field. Luckily we have 2 weeks to make adjustments and get ready for the though road ahead.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Great game. I thought Texas was the team that would be running over BYU - not the other way around. The Cougars proved everyone wrong. Congrats guys!

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    It was a great game to enjoy! Loved it! Mr. Harmon...the "Bronco never wins the big ones crowd?" That was just a fact Dick. And fans are tired of not winning the big ones, or the medium ones. Last night was a great breath of fresh "wind" air. Thank-you team! You played your hearts out. One has to wonder what would have happened if Hill had been given the team a year ago...or Lark for that matter. Oh well.

    BYU's best day may well lie ahead, but only if the right personnel are on the field in the correct positions. Now, the next task, play the Superbowl...and beat the Utes...in the same fashion...pound it down their throats...and "NO" more talk of "all the games are the same." To everyone that says that...here is my question: Did last night feel like any old game? Did it feel like beating New Mexico State? I'd say not. So, stop shoveling that bull at the fans...that every game is the same...I'd say Utah will not be like any other game, nor should it be. Blow them out of Utah County!!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Tomahawk, you know a lot and have a lot of good advice. Really we only care about 1 thing right now though. Well, maybe 2. 1-BYU handed Texas a convincing defeat last night, and 2-BYU's next game is the only one that matters right now. You haven't seen a single Cougar fan today say anything about winning out, BCS, beating Utah by 50 or Heisman Trophys. (Well, maybe a fan or two but the vast majority are realistic) That's all stuff that nervous Ute fans are conjuring up in your own heads and then think that if you claim BYU fan's said it then it must have really happened.

    But since we're passing out free advice here's some for you. Remember that game on the 21st that most Ute trolls on the Des News thought the Utes would only need to show up for? Now would be a good time to consider that you're going to have to do more than show up to win that one.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Sept. 8, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    @moderateinmagna... I hate to correct a fellow coug fan, but the uties did beat us 4 times in a row...02' BYU 6 utah 13; 03' BYU 0 utah 3; 04' BYU 21 utah 52; and 05' BYU 34 utah 41... Sorry, sad but true...

    BYU however, has a 9 game winning streak from 79' through 87'; a 6 game winning streak from 72' through77' and a 4 game winning streak from 89' through 92'...

    We don't want to give utah their 2nd 4 game winning streak... And, I'm feeling fairly confident that we won't... I'd feel alot more confident if Taysom was better on his touch passes and that our corners learn how to stay with their man a litle tighter.

    Looking at our schedule for the balance of the season, it looks as though we may have only 2 easy games left (the uties and Idaho State)...

  • Lionheart West Jordan, Ut
    Sept. 8, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Hey cougar fans. Go easy on Tomahawk. He is just trying to share some good advice about tooting your horns too early. Perhaps he has learned that lesson and wants to share. Thanks Tommy. I agree that we need to put limits on our smack talk, but we can certainly enjoy this one for a week or so.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    I loved the "Facetime" moment of the Texas coaches melting down with each other.

    Lots of room for improvement but let's face it, this was a HUGE one week turnaround.

    Congrats to BYU.

  • Out of State Utah fan Alpharetta, GA
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Please, Mr. Harman...BYU went Le Mans race car on the longhorns? I bet that line has been tucked away just waiting to see daylight. BYU is no Audi.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    BYU lost the turnover battle 0-2, was ridiculously mediocre in the passing game, but piled up 550 rushing yards on the Texas, the MOST rushing yards EVER given up by Texas.

    btw, remind us how many "power conference" teams the Utes have played, let alone, beaten. Isn't that the automatic rejoinder we always hear from the Utes - "you haven't beaten ANYBODY", yet!

    Before booking tickets to Pasadena, you might want to start by beating at least one PAC team with a winning record sometime.

    It's laughable that you're here on a BYU article warning BYU fans to "watch the smack". The hypocrisy from the hill never stops.

  • pacificblue55 SANDY, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Good win for the Cougars. Thank you Utes fans for staying up late hating every moment of the game and still have the time to vent your frustrations on a BYU article. It's just a game, be happy.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red. BYU will defeat the Utes because BYU's players, coaches, cheerleaders, students, alumni, mascot, administration, faculty, graduate assistants, groundskeepers, equipment managers, and custodians are more righteous than the Utes. Just kidding! Just trying to get you and Chris B fired up!

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Ute trolls are out in full force. I really hope BYU shuts them up.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Made all those 5-star athletes look like 5-star chumps, Go Cougars!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    BYUtv interviewed Williams after the game, and he did not say anything about the injury, he was standing up, and walked off after the injury. So hopefully, he's okay.

    What a great offensive performance against a good Texas defense. Hill was simply amazing. I'm still worried about his passing accuracy, but his legs and ability to read the defense are spectacular.

    For those of U who think the number of star recruits determines the success of the team, look no further than Texas or USC. Both are almost always in the Top 10 of recruiting classes. Texas got pummeled and USC fell to a poor WSU team.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    RE: Tomahawk Red

    Calm down... where are all the overconfident Y fans you speak of? I don't see any cougarfans on here talking smack to our rival. What I do see is a lot of Ute fans that are very interested in Cougar football.

    BYU played a great game last night. The passing and secondary was exposed, but the running core and defensive line showed they are among the best in the nation.

    BTW, why is it so difficult for news sources to report defensive statistics? This was an article about the defense, but it rattled off several team and individual offensive statistics without saying anything about the defense. I see (from the BYU site) that through two games KVN already has 3.5 TFL and 4 QBH, but I'd love to know his line from last night. Same goes for Fua, Unga, PoVey, Sorenson, and Kaufusi. We have at least 4-5 future pros on the team with maybe one coming from the offense. Let's give the D some love. Go Cougs!

  • Perkunas Ashburn, VA
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    Tomahawk, I think you're lecturing strawmen on how to react to the game. No one's here making the claims you caution us against. Take it to the U articles and tell your own fanbase that laying 70 on Weber doesn't mean Utah is Rose Bowl-bound.

    Rirruto and Fuzz, despite being bent in half like a pretzel, Williams looked fine in the postgame interview. The benefits of youth!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 6:59 a.m.


    U beat Weber State and you're chiding BYU fans.

    Obviously you're feeling a little insecure in your big 2-0 start, especially with what BYU accomplished and how they did it to Texas vs. your great win yesterday.


    By the way... Texas will never play in RES.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Sept. 8, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    Hey Tomahawk - both posts by Y fans are asking about Williams - no one is buying into your bating. Give it a rest.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Sept. 8, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    Name one person who commented who is overconfident. You are wishing BYU is overconfident after beating a team who has winning seasons in their conference. Some Utah can't do. No one here is smacking. Quit inventing things that aren't out there. You are showing your weakness and fear that BYU is going to win in 2 weeks. Grow up and act mature.

    BYU dominated a totally talented team from top to bottom. They can beat and destroy every other team on their schedule if they can do this to Texas. I would be the one being afraid of being embarrassed if I were Utah. When was the last time they demolished a ranked team? BYU just did it. I feel bad for their next opponent. Actually, I don't.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    Re: Tomahawk

    Hey, overconfident Y fans...

    What happens if you lose to Utah again?

    It's possible.

    Better watch the smack. That could be embarrassing for you.


    I believe sir that you should listen to your own advice. The overconfident U fans could easily be eating crow two weeks from today.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:42 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red: You seem to be trying really, REALLY hard to convince BYU fans that this win isn't really a big deal. Scared of what will happen on September 21st?

    Utah completely thrashed of the worst teams in the Big Sky. BYU completely thrashed, THRASHED (producing well over 600 yards of total offense, one of the worst defensive performances in Texas history) one of the best teams in the Big 12 conference. Not even close to be comparable.

    Yep. You're terrified.

  • rph Arlington, VA
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:49 a.m.

    "literally beat the salsa out of the Longhorns."

    Really, Dick? You know the meaning of the word "literally" right?

    I watched the game pretty closely and did not see that happen.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:46 a.m.

    Tasome Hill' Is A Video Game Gone Wild ! He is in fast forward motion !

    Texas is asking what just happened !

    And the answer is those Mormon Boys Go Fast and Go Hard !

  • wolvie23 Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:05 a.m.

    Bring on the team on the hill. We're ready for them to enter the cougars den. CougarNation

  • Crisco B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:44 a.m.

    In terms


    Spacing on the

    Page, Tomahawk has it down.

    So quick to jump in and remind everyone that The U of U still lives somewhere on the planet.

    This article is not about the U.

    It is about BYU

    And that



  • Newspaper Reader Highland, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:41 a.m.

    @Tomahawk Red,

    It is so typical of Ute fans to diminish any kind of win that BYU gets by saying the other team is not as good as they really are.

    Quite frankly, who cares how good/bad Texas will be at the end of the season? Of course it may matter in the long run, but overall I think BYU fans in general are just glad our team has the ability to get up when they are/were down (from last week). They showed resiliency and strength tonight.

    And, just so you know, it looks like Ute fans are the only ones really trying to paint BYU fans as ones who are overhyped or overconfident about this win. I think the real BYU fan recognizes that this is just one win, and that more dedicated effort and practice will be needed to continue to win throughout the season - including the upcoming BYU/Utah game.

    Good luck to you through the rest of the season. Congrats on both the Utes and Cougs win today. Go Cougars!

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:27 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red
    North Salt Lake, UT keep being delusional i have not heard 1 cougar fan say any of the things you just posted ,you are just being the usual utah troll,and for your information Utah has never beaten byu 4 straight times EVER

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 7, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    Hey, overconfident Y fans...

    What happens if you lose to Utah again?

    It's possible.

    Better watch the smack. That could be embarrassing for you.

    Oh, and PS... did BYU really win tonight, or did Texas beat themselves?

    How would you like it if Longhorns fans said that?

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Does anyone know if Williams is OK?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 7, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    Totally impressive win tonight over Texas. I didn't think there was a chance you could win. Congrats!


    Be careful. Be careful how far you take this.

    I know you're tempted to think about winning out.

    I know you're tempted to prognosticate a 50-point win over Utah

    I know you're tempted to tout Van Noy/Hill for Heisman again

    I know you're tempted to think BCS or NC game

    I know you're tempted to think 11-1

    But take this advice: Celebrate in moderation. Or else there's a good chance your lofty trash talk will come back to haunt you.

    There is plenty of positive to take away from this victory. But don't forget. You lost to a seemingly awful Virginia squad, and Utah has had your number for three straight seasons now.

    Plus, Utah is 2-0... with a win over a very good Utah State, and an offensive blitz versus Weber State.

    My point? Right now, it seems Utah is no slouch either. You might lose to them again.

    Save the super smack for when you actually DO beat Utah. Because you don't have any credibility for that right now.

  • Rirruto Nampa, Id
    Sept. 7, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    Awesome win!!!! One question. Does anyone know how badly Williams is hurt? From what I saw the play where he was hurt was because 3 guys had him by the head and shoulders and ripped him backward. If I were Bronco I'd be demanding those players be disciplined.