Couple in Draper police shooting were 'poison' together, friends say

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  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    Ernest T. Bass, although I often find your BYU sports related posts a little tedious and repetitious, today I think you deserve the post of the year for your reply to iron&clay. Had I been first, I probably would have written some heavy handed harangue pointing out logical flaws; you successfully nullified his point with wit and cleverness. Good job!

    Now if someone could just address the first post on this thread and expose its fallacies, my day would be complete.

  • mbethn Henderson, TX
    Sept. 5, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    @MY2Cents, I may be harsh saying this, but I have two brothers that are or have been police officers. If you shoot a cop, I don't believe you should have any rights in the hospital or anywhere else. The family saw this coming, the sisters comments about him having knives and a gun. If there are no laws to prevent the questioning then they should be able to "ask away!!!!"

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:46 a.m.


    You might want to reconsider using the words "thought provoking" when describing your posts. I think you mean something else.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Ernest T Bass. I second your comments

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    It is good to know that there is a local patrolling police buffer between the innocent homeowners, their families and what is out on the street lurking in the dark, desperately thinking of a way to get their next 'high'.


  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Violence engendered by rampant drug use is a big problem. Some women are drawn like "a moth to a flame" to the excitement of a "Bonnie and Clyde" existence. They feed on one another and the excitement escalates until you have a tragedy. Both individuals killed that police officer. Only one pulled the trigger.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    It does not matter the reason why this people shot an officer, bottom line a good person was killed while serving the community and the perpetrator should pay for it. Hope this situation helps people comprehend and understand Police work and start respecting and giving credit to our Officers on duty. Hope the death of the fallen officer is not in vain.

  • Dan Taylor Keyser, WV
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    I take the opposite view, I think often times you CAN see the evil in people that they can and most often will. I taught school for 30 years and I can't tell you how many times we as fellow educators saw kids come and go at a very early age and we knew they were going to end up in trouble. No matter how much extra we would do to try to stear them to a different path often times it didn't change a thing and then years later we would read in the paper or hear on the radio that the same child was being arrested for a terrible crime. We as teachers couldn't help but feel sad for them but at the same time it wasn't so much of a shock cause YES we had seen it coming. It's not a comfortable thought but is often very true.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    iron&clay: I really think you're on to something here. Big pharma didn't exist until Obama enacted a plan to help people get health insurance.
    I would go live in a bunker if I were you.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    @I know it.
    You can also find people who say, "He was a nice kid. He isn't capable of doing something like this."
    It appears to me we need more judgment, not less. People ought to be leery of unstable people. Family ought to seek to have some of these people committed. I know it is difficult to do these days, but an officer lost his life because the family didn't speak up.
    Drugs, guns, knives, abuse, transient living...a serious mix.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    I've found that most often after a murder there will be people who say things like "I saw this in him" or "I always knew he was capable of something like this" or even "He was a bad seed and we wanted her to break it off".

    While all very possibly true, there are two things to consider:

    1) It has nothing to do with whether the person is guilty or innocent.

    2) Even in cases where no one would have ever suspected such behavior and it is a complete surprise, someone is always saying something like this about the accused.

    They haven't even filed charges yet, so there is no need to speculate AT ALL about anyone right now until more evidence is presented. In fact, I'd argue whether we even should then too. But as of now, we certainly aren't doing justice to anyone, including the Police officer, by putting an image on anyone despite actual evidence.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Very informative article.

    Stop reading this comment now, unless you don't mind thought provoking questions.

    Do addictions to pharmaceuticals lead to your body and mind spiraling down the proverbial slippery slope?

    Does today's big pharma industry [Obamacare] with it's mind altering drugs allow the spirits that followed Satan, the ability to possess the bodies that were created for the children of Adam and Eve?

    Is government enforced "healthcare" .... synonymous with the sorcery and witchcraft that the prophets from the Book of Mormon warned today's society about?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 3:43 a.m.

    It seems that young people in society are confused and misinformed about uncommitted term relationships in cohabitation or live in friendships. As far as society is concerned they are bound by no laws or rights personal or legal. There are no established rules and it is messing up lives and causing deaths because of emotional hangups and expectations that don't exist creating mentally unstable individuals acting impulsively and without thought.

    I don't think the sheriff has any right to question any person in a hospital heavily sedated and unable to comprhend their state life while under the care of the medical industry. Of course they could be administering truth serum in the hospital but no one knows or even suspects this kind of illegal questioning taking place.

    I think its in bad taste to allow law enforcement to question or ask suspects information to incriminate them in crimes. As long as they are recovering any responses cannot be considered death bed confessions and a matter of record. There is no record of intent to kill and its unfair for the law to assume what they have been reporting to the press.