Swedish physicians impressed by Intermountain Healthcare facilities

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  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 5, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    To "UT Brit" I do have a clue about the NHS. I have known people who grew up in England, and they were ashamed of the system.

    But, so others in the US have a better idea of the NHS, lets review some headlines:

    "100,000 terminally ill 'do not get proper palliative care'" Telegraph

    "British Socialized HC Official: Some Premature Babies Should be Left to Die" The Blaze

    "Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing operations" The Independant

    "'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed" Telegraph

    "Lung cancer victims denied lifesaving scans" Telegraph

    "Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections" Telegraph

    "Patients 'denied intensive care'" BBC

    "Leading article: The real lessons of this NHS disaster" The Independant

    "Two patients died after waiting in ambulance outside 'full' Oldham hospital unit" Manchester Evening News

    It seems that the headlines would contradict your claims. Is it easier to have a bureaucrat deny you getting coverage than it is for you to say "I don't want to pay for that"?

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:40 p.m.


    If you had any clue about the way the NHS works I would consider your words. How long exactly have you spend living in the UK Redshirt? I only spent a few years in the US but your healthcare system is a complete mess in comparison.
    Having been treated in some of the medical facilities in the US I was questioning exactly where double the amount of money was going to. I remember having to see 3 doctors to get a refill of my asthma medication and it took over an hour. Here in the UK it takes me 5 mins with a GP to get a refill.

    If you had actually spent anytime outside of the US you would see you are not getting what you pay for. Thats the point and thats why so many of you are clamouring for a better healthcare system.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    To "UT Brit" did you read the article. The big problems that they saw with the US system have to do with malpractice, and the lack of control that congress or the states put on lawyers.

    You seem to forget that the Swedish doctors don't have as nice of facilities. You probably didn't notice that they also expressed concern for patients stealing equipment.

    Tell us, if you have only $20,000 can you buy the top end Corvette? If you had the money would you buy the top end Corvette or the used Ford Fiesta? You want the Corvette for the price of the Fiesta.

    Bottom line is, you get what you pay for. You choose to live in a country where people suffer or die at the hands of bureaucrats, and we want a system where you can get any treatment you are willing to pay for.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 5, 2013 5:23 a.m.

    @samhill, Let's Agree to Disagree

    Healthcare system is a completely different thing than healthcare treatment.

    No one doubts the US has some of the best treatment facilities in the world, the thing is you spend twice as much per person than countries like Sweden. You have 30 million people who do not have health coverage and depend on the ER for treatment, you also have 60% of the bankruptcies in your country caused by medical bills.

    Some of the healthcare centres are good, your healthcare system is bad. Big difference.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    It's not about whether there are top of the line medical facilities in the US; there are plenty.It's about whether you can receive treatment at one of them. Health care is a service to human beings, and facilities only a means by which to deliver it. If outcomes for the average person matter at least as much as the external or internal appearance of the facility, then yes, visit Canada or Cuba. Besides, the Foothills Medical Centre or the new South Calgary Health Campus look pretty good, too. Socialised medicine. Working for results. And keeping up appearances.

  • Let's Agree to Disagree Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    This has to be a mistake!

    Why did these doctors come to the U.S. to see a top of the line medical facility? Should they not have gone to Cuba? Or even the UK or Canada? Everyone knows that here in the U.S. we suffer under a horrible healthcare system. That is why we are in the process of "fixing" it.

    But seriously, it is a good thing they saw this facility while they exist still. Because:

    "...doctors in the socialized system have the pressure to keep treatment and cost of care low. Sweden's physicians have the advantage of practicing in an environment that is not quite as "litigious" as the U.S...".

    as we further socialize our medical system we will have the worst of both worlds...doctors who have to weigh every procedure and test against the bottom line and who have to worry about being sued out of business!

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    "'We do not have a single hospital as nice looking and as well-equipped as this one,' Elinder said to the group of physicians."


    Very interesting to note the impressions of doctors from a country in which I've lived and which has, for decades, been trumpeted as an example of a healthcare system that the U.S. should emulate.

    And, remember folks, the IHC is a NON-profit organization.

    Perhaps, rather than shoving Obamacare down our throats, more of the U.S. legislators should listen to what these Swedish doctors, who know a great deal about the practical effects of socialized medicine, have to say about some of the possible down sides.