Common Core opponents encouraged to pray for standards' defeat

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  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 4, 2013 2:26 p.m.


    You are completely misrepresenting the curriculum. For example, children are taught how emotional arguments work. Every salesman and missionary is taught the same thing. But the goal isn't just to help them more effectively argue their point, but to also see when an emotional argument is being used to overcome a rational skepticism (like when someone says children are being forced to read child pornography or be instructed in masturbation in the Common Core).

    Your beef overall seems to be that we're losing local control of schools, but that's absolutely not true. Every state, district, school, and teacher has the choice of which books from the list they would like to teach. If a community decides "The Bluest Eyes" is important to them, should they not be allowed to select it? THAT would be federal imposition. (Incidentally, it has incest and rape in it, but so does the Bible) As to your masturbation misrepresentation, it was a text exemplar for 9-10th grades (not 4th) and it was a book about Castro called "In the Time of Butterflies" and there is masturbation in it (like the Bible). Teachers can also read the Odyssey, Fahrenheit451, etc.

    Sept. 4, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    @ On the other hand:

    "The Bluest Eyes" is on the list of 11th Grade reading at several HS in Utah(it is on the national list for Common Core, which several teachers are using). One of the students purchased in on Amazon to get a head start and brought it to her father after reading the disturbing content. It is now with the AG who is looking into child endangerment prosecution.

    4th graders in several states in the East are being taught mastubation in the health cirriculums being sent out. English Common Core includes instruction on how to use "emotional arguments" to wim others to your cause and to practice this on your parents. CC is touted as "standards" for math and english, but the reality is that it is a program to over-write religious teaching, eliminate parental involvement in children's development, and conform our children to a secular, anti-religion agenda.

    Facts are easily available in this internet age. Anyone can find this information. You should try doing some objective research sometime....

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Sept. 4, 2013 5:37 a.m.

    @RedWings, where in the 4th grade standards did you encounter the detailed discussion of masturbation? Was it in the math standards, or the English language arts standards? Which schools in Utah are requiring their students to read the book "The Bluest Eye"? Someone with a master's degree should have a profound appreciation for the importance of getting one's basic facts right before making strong claims.

    Sept. 3, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    I am no conspiray theorist and I am firmly against Common Core. It is much more thant standards and testing. It is forced cirriculum based on a political agenda.

    The book "Blue Eyes" is on the recomnmended reading for 11th grade. Teachers are using this book in our schools here in Utah. It is about graphic child rape from the perpetrator's perspective. This is now with the DAs office who is looking into child endangerment charges.

    4th grade cirriculum includes a detailed discussion of masturbation, and attempts to remove "family stereotypes" so that kids can develop their own morals about this activity.

    I am not a stupid parent. I have a master's degree, and am more qualified than any teacher in this State to teach my children. We are giving away our parental rights to public schools and their agendas.

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 2, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Well, finally the school district allowed her to take the test about 2 months ago. She took all three exams at one time....and she achieved the highest score ever for those Competency Tests. She blew them away and showed the Common Core superiority claims are false. Common Core is pure control that dumbs down our brightest kids...and those promoting it do not like being outed -- you can hear them right here.

    The new Common Core Science curriculum promotes the biggest untruth of this century -- Global Warming -- more programming. Yes, programming is what this is all about. The test scores throughout the country show it is a disaster. The literature and writing sounds more like Sal Alinsky's Rules for Radicals...including how to lie when writing to Senators to get what you want first grade; how to elicit emotion instead of logic. Language is used that makes parental guidance sound "controlling" -- even when asking such things as cleaning the room.

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 2, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    Amazing how many attacks by people claiming to know about Common Core but they know nothing...I had never even heard of Common Core until two years ago. The math Core required the 8th graders in the Nebo District to essentially take the 7th grade math over. The math teachers were upset with it -- and they questioned the value of the new curriculum. My daughter was threatened with not being able to receive a high school diploma for not taking the 8th grade Common Core math for fighting the system. She wanted to achieve an AA degree from high school to match her sister...but Common Core did not allow her to achieve all the math needed for the AA degree. Hence, she decided to teach herself math -- Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and Geometry with help from her mom and myself (mostly teaching herself).

    It was very frustrating that at the center of Common Core is iron-fisted control. In addition we were told she could not pass the tests since she did not have all the NEW Common Core math stuff -- which for anyone familiar with these math levels is a joke.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Sept. 2, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    I wish the news would report that teachers still don't actually have textbooks for this core, or that the teachers that did try to create a curriculum were actually unable to teach the entire 9th grade core in one year, because it is simply too big.

    I wish the news would report that teachers are totally and completely frustrated by the Common Core, yes, they wanted a higher standard, but this one is ridiculous. They are teaching matrices to 9th graders, because they can be used to solve systems of equations (if you are a computer programmer, no one else does it that way) but quadratics wait until 10th grade.
    Ask your teachers about 11th grade math's a mystery, not enough training, no books, no one expects to get through it.

    And the fact is the Feds did push it all, by threatening to cut budgets if the states didn't toe the line.

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 1, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    Amazing how many attacks by people claiming to know about Common Core but they know nothing...I had never even heard of Common Core until two years ago. The math Core required the 8th graders in the Nebo District to essentially take the 7th grade math over. The math teachers were upset with it -- and they questioned the value of the new curriculum. My daughter was threatened with not being able to receive a high school diploma for not taking the 8th grade Common Core math for fighting the system. She wanted to achieve an AA degree from high school to match her sister...but Common Core did not allow her to achieve all the math needed for the AA degree. Hence, she decided to teach herself math -- Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and Geometry with help from her mom and myself (mostly teaching herself).

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    I also wish these people would pray for their children's teachers as in patience to deal with overcrowded classrooms with ELL students, special education students, students with criminal backgrounds, students with helicopter parents, students who refuse to work, students that depressed, students on drugs etc. along with dealing with non-stop innovations in pedagogy, curriculum and classroom management. It seems like these prayers are a bit misplaced on stopping something that won't matter to a hill of beans because of larger, more important issues regarding public education. These people seem to worried about the core curriculum but don't seem to care much that their children are put in classes with over 40 students. I think more study is in order before the praying but that's just me...

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 1, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Common Core Opponents say plenty with substance,

    The left just chooses to close they eyes and ears and believe whatever the leftist elites tell them to believe.

    It's the proponents that offers nothing of substance, but substantiveless claims about common core.

    Common core is fraught with problems, that is plain to see.

    Yes common core has been around for decades, As others have noted here common core has been around for decades under many names, The same far left communist based plan.

    If want to know more just search for "David Barton Explains How Common Core Poses Serious Problems" or "David Barton offers the truth about Common Core". Get some information, liberals.

    If left refuse to view this information than that just confirms what I said.

    If the left make personal attack on David Barton that again just confirms what I told you.

    By the way true conservatives were against NCLB as well, but were unable to stop it. (another weak uninformed complaint from the left).

    Common core is rotten to the core, flashy well intentioned(?) standards and all.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 1, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Being a Star Trek fan, common core resembles the BORG.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 1, 2013 2:52 p.m.


    ALEC is an unbiased source of information? Wow that alone is frightening. You talk about a group trying to use the government to make money, that would be those who finance ALEC. I would suggest as many have that you actually look at the standards. Compare them to the previous standards. Their is no communist or socialist agenda. This is an attempt as has been mentioned many times already to standardize what a student should know when the graduate from high school. I would think that is a good thing, and alas had the ALEC and the KOCH Brothers thought of it first and been able to turn it into a money maker for them the same people opposing it would be supporting it as the greatest innovation in the history of education.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 1, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    Religion... poisons everything, especially education!

  • tigger AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    I just hope that people realize that not all people who are religious and pray are against the Core. I will not be mentioning this in my prayers. I don't think most of the religious people in this area will be either.

    Extremists on either side Just. Seem. Nuts. to me.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    As I have said many, many times on these blogs, the curriculum doesn't matter when the delivery method is flawed by huge class sizes with ever increasing inexperienced and demoralized teachers.

  • Tchr4lifeinNC LAUREL HILL, NC
    Aug. 31, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Common Core is all about standardized testing, data mining, and creating a mess for the states and their school districts. With the amount of testing required, most states will be bankrupt within a year or two of Common Core! PEARSON owns our gov't and has the DOE in it's pocket. Google ALEC and see what they are about. You'll see all they want is to change public education into a money maker. My kid and my students are not for sale, thanks!

  • Seek to understand Sandy, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Oatmeal: Shakespeare is listed in the CCSS text exemplars for high school students beginning in grade 9. There are several references to Shakespeare in the exemplars for high school students.

    There are also many references in the text exemplars (these are suggested texts for students to study that would fulfill the spirit of the CCSS but are not "required" - just suggested readings that fit the goals of the CCSS) that are well-known and high quality - authors like Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglas, George Washington, Patrick Henry.

    If you go to the CCSS website and go to the language arts standards, text exemplars you can read a list of them.

    If the schools stop teaching high quality literature in English classes it won't be because of the CCSS. The CCSS text exemplars are high quality and most would be considered "classics".

  • azamatbagatov Lehi, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    The common core is about having all students in the country meet the same benchmarks. If a student moves from California to Utah, it's nice to k ow they won't have to be behind or way ahead. There is nothing in them that puts a ceiling on student learning. They are the minimum requirements students should master before moving to the next grade or level.

    As for evaluation methods, states choose how they will assess students. Teacher pay being tied to test scores is somewhat misleading Oak. Student growth from year to year using assessments is a component of teacher raises, as well as principal evaluations, and student and parent evaluations.

  • Anissa Heber City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    These are not crazy zealots, these are people who have studied out this issue more than our own state office of education and our very own state school board. If any of the naysayers here put in as much effort as those opposed to common core then there could actually be some dialogue. Not everyone has to agree either. If some like it and others don't, so be it, but first lets get the whole truth out on the table.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    This should not be a partisan issue. Those who support Common Core, or NCLB, or any other form of Federal interest in Education are absolutely clueless about our Constitution, States rights, and the whole concept of self government! I think public teachers by and large are doing the best they can under circumstances that prevent them from teaching children, rather than robots. Any type of federal control is about teaching robots and placing students into the American version of the Caste system. Those who want more federal control astound me with this cavalier attitude about federal control. It's the same bunch who support Obama, bush, or any other politician who walks in and confiscates your rights, money, and liberty and promising that they know best what to do with them. whatever happened to the dignity of giving people choices? Where has authoritarian Top-down leadership ever worked? If you asked some of these people what socialism is, or if there is any similarities of Common Core with it, they would shrug their shoulders and mumble something about the Tea party and extremist, uneducated citizens trying to destroy the government. No, actually, I just want a Republic, not a dictatorship.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Oak, if this was really about kids' privacy, whey aren't you fighting the NSA's new data center? There was a protest about a month ago. Where you there? The NSA is recording your children's emails, web searches, phone calls, social media, photos etc, etc. The Common Core privacy intrusions are small potatoes compared to that. I think you have bigger fish to fry right now if your concerns really are privacy issues. In my interactions with your "anti" everything group over the years, I have come to know that this is really about fear and paranoia over government and an agenda to privatize public schools or give taxpayer money to for-profit corporate entities to administer or run schools Anything that might improve a public school is seen as a bad thing.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    I pray to God every night that these anti-common core conspiracy theorists will just go away and do something more constructive with their time.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 31, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    @JustGordon--don't be fooled by the fancy rhetoric.

    In a few years, bad teachers will again be blamed, and a new concept will be forced on the schools. History repeats its self.

    How many times do you go to a bad dentist before switching?

    Look at our economy, and welfare state, than tell me the feds know what's best for education.

    The evidence is clearly against them.

  • docport1 ,
    Aug. 31, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Where were these people when No Child Left Behind was implemented? More properly termed No Child's Behind Left. The Common Core Standards are so much better for kids. It allows teaching again instead of how to fill in bubbles and only study Math and reading. I suspect these protesters are the shills of the right wingers who want to do away with public education entirely so we can get back to the colonial days when only the elitists were educated and only the elitists ran the government.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Common Core is a starting point; not a ceiling that prevents schools from teaching anything beyond it. Nothing prevents any school or teacher from teaching more than those standards. It's like the Uniform Building Code. The UBC sets minimum standards for the construction of your new home. It doesn't keep the builder from building anything better or sturdier.

    If students are "bored or confused", that's the fault of the teacher, not the material being taught. With the possible exception of Philosophy of Education, I've never had a class where the material couldn't be made interesting and challenging. While we can have a reasonable debate about the percentage of reading material that should be literary classics, the real issue is that far too many students can't read well, period.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 8:19 a.m.


    Is this the same man who diligently fought in the Math Wars? After reading your post I am not so sure.

    Utah has been using Common Core for three years now. The STATE runs the tests. The STATE reports scores not individually, but by school/district as a lump just as they have been for more than two decades. Individual students will not be identified by the federal government at any rate different to what they have for the last twenty years.

    Teachers have not seen standardized tests such as the IOWAs, CRTs, ACTs or SATs till just before the tests are given out. They shouldn't see the tests so as to maintain the integrity of the test and for ethical reasons. Besides, Utah got the Feds to sign off on the foolish computer adaptive testing that will start this year statewide. No two tests taken will be the same. Data from the tests will have no proven validity or reliability for at least five years. This foolishness should be more concerning to the average parent.

    The problem isn't the feds intervention in education. It has always been the state.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Two comments. First, the opponents to Common Core say nothing of substance, either why they don't like it or what they propose to strengthen the education system. It's like the GOP opposition to the healthcare act, opposition based on opposition and nothing more. Two, the concept that God is on our side and if you are not with us, you are on the side of the devil, this is an argument, subtle and overt, that the right wing and the GOP in Utah has perfected. Anytime someone uses this argument in any format, turn and run from them.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Glenn Beck is behind a lot of this. Oak interesting comments. If you are right I don't see prayer as the answer. More information would be helpful.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Aug. 31, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    It would be nice if those supporting Open Core really knew what it was all about. Just like Obamacare it is loaded with hidden burdens that would destroy the school system that is controlled locally and teaches local values. This is what we get with a Department of Education, sooner or later the propaganda machine will steamrolling American society into lemmings, blindly letting the power brokers do as they please. Once again there is no way to undo this programmed destruction if it passes. Pray for divine intervention.

  • Pooh Bear Saint Louis, MO
    Aug. 31, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    I have not heard of Common Core before, but on the surface this sounds like another version of the Outcomes Based Education (OBE) program that was being touted not too many years ago (maybe it is still around, I've lost touch). My recollection of that program was that it smacked of socialism all over the place. Of course, there is always the 10th plank of the communist manifesto dealing with free public education for all children as a backdrop. If Common Core and OBE are similar or tied together, then it most certainly should be opposed, IMO.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 5:42 a.m.

    I have "discussions" with "Oak" and other common core dissenters on other boards. One does not have to chat with them for long before the paranoias mentioned by Cincinnatus above begin to cloud their commentary and soon taint all they they have to say.

    Perhaps, these folks have had such little success in "enlightening" the public because God is a Common Core advocate and it is part of His/Her plan. Thus, their praying will be of little use.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 31, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    I am an educator and THERE ARE serious concerns about the Common Core.

    Two concerns I have:
    1. The core-inspired math curriculum is a complete disaster. Students are either bored or confused. Ask most jr. high math teachers.
    2. A serious reduction in reading literature in English classes. The emphasis is on non-fiction, technical reading and writing. We may see a generation of students who have never heard of Shakespeare or read a poem or work of fine literature. My perception is that English has been made the servant of the science and tech curriculum.

  • Oak Highland, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    What would be awesome azamatbagatov, is if press accounts would start reporting the fact that our issue isn't with the standards themselves. They are weak and there are better, but the people against Common Core are seeing a lot broader picture than what you think. This is about massive loss of privacy and local control. Did you know the assessments are funded and overseen by the feds and that teachers will be evaluated on test performance? Did you know teachers aren't allowed to see the tests? That's going to force them to teach to the exact standards. States would be dumb to change the standards when the assessments aren't going to change to accommodate those changes. Did you know the school grading that's going to take place will be based in large measure on assessment performance? Did you know the feds recommend tracking over 500 data points on every student in a database sharable with "interested parties"? I'd guess most people are pretty clueless on the real Common Core issues because most people don't read source documents. We do. Sign the petition at Utahns Against Common Core. Thank you Christel. We'll be praying.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    This article and the comments above parrot the progressive party line. The truth is that Common Core is a Federal intrusion into local education. Calling it "Utah's Common Core Standards" is misleading. Common Core Curriculum is accompanied by probing personal questionnaires to which your children will regularly be subjected; questions that ask about your family's social and political attitudes and of telling family practices. When I heard the questions being asked of elementary school children, I could hardly believe it. I felt that we had moved to Germany and back in time to 1940, and "Der Fuehrer" was waiting for reports from the classroom.

    The math standards in Common Core are inferior to the standards most Utah schools and teachers have maintained, and the math problem-solving patterns defy logic. Watch your children's math assignments. You will discover that what you learned in school won't allow you to offer your child any assistance. Why don't you withhold judgement until you learn more about this insidious Trojan horse.

    Resisting parents have been bullied and ignored. But a majority of the delegates at Utah's State Republican Convention condemned Common Core and called for its rejection.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 30, 2013 5:46 p.m.


    What else are you forgetting?

    Observe some history of the different philosophies forced on schools over the passed decades. Cooperative learning being one of them.

    Than relate it to our current economy of high unemployment, poverty, welfare, illiteracy, and our need to bring in skilled workers from other countries. A third of our college graduates are from other countries.

    This is not a display of a great education system. It's disaster.

    Common Core is nothing new, but a re-run of failure. The proof is staring you in the face.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Vaccines cause autism, Obama is a Kenyan. The moon landings were faked. Bush was behind 9-11 What else am I forgetting?

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Wow! I went to their blog and read some of the posts. Boy does their paranoia run deep.

    I'm all for praying for what you believe in, but to me this "call to prayer" smacks of desperation and tries to convince others that God himself is against Common Core.

    Frankly, I think God might have a few other pressing matters to worry about.

  • Seek to understand Sandy, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Common core opponents need to read the old Utah standards side-by-side with the Common Core State Standards. They will find there was just as many things "objectionable" in the old standards. At least the CCSS are more rigorous and are going to be uniform across many states so FINALLY, those of us who move with our jobs don't have to see our kids bounced all over academically when we move state to state.

    It makes so much sense to have common standards in our nation! Why is that being lost on this argument? States have all the flexibility they want to alter the standards, but at least this gives us a chance to know if our kids are going to be able to compete with kids from other states for university acceptances.

    I will add that it was an amazing political feat by Obama to get over 40 states to agree on a common set of standards by bribing them with federal money that never materialized! Really a very amazing accomplishment. And that is why people are so angry - another "win" for Obama is tough to swallow!

  • RWSmith6 Providence, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    Have these folks tried learning about why No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top and, now, Common Core Standards came about? Are they aware that all are attempts to remedy a real problem--America's steady slippage in international assessments of educational outcomes and general decline since before the appearance in 1983 of "Nation at Risk," a damning report on the state of American education? And are they aware that it is America's failure to plan long-term that has left the country with very uneven K-12 standards, funding, and commitment?

    The consequences of inaction could be as severe as a nation no longer just at risk but in decline.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    This is much fear about nothing folks. I am not an educator, have read the common core and compared it to the Utah core of old. This is a very good core set of standards and Utah can change it or adjust it to their liking. There is nothing insidious about Common Core.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Aug. 30, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    These folks are unbelievable. They are the same ones who, and I am actually no making this up, don't want their children to finger-paint because they think it is a covert way for the federal government to collect their fingerprints. I am amazed by the number of people who still think this is a federal government initiative.

    Ironically, they are also often the people who lament to poor quality of public education and compare us to other countries doing better. This was an attempt to improve the quality of public education, by starting with the end goal (we want high school graduates to have these skills) and then working backward to outline the steps toward acquiring those skills. It focuses much more on writing and creating independent thought (the horror!). It wasn't initiated by the feds, but by leaders in business in conjunction with those in higher education.

    Sometimes I wonder if these folks' biggest fear is that it will actually work, and our school might actually be something to be proud of.

  • azamatbagatov Lehi, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    It would be awesome if people opposing the standards actually knew what they were about.