The 'Dream' lives on: Utahns mark MLK speech but say there's more needs to be done

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  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    To "atl134" if you consider yourself an American, you eliminate any racial prejudice. Isn't that what Dr. King wanted?

    How does requiring ID do anything to blacks and minorities? They still have to have ID to fly an airplane, buy tobacco, buy alchohol, get prescription medication, get welfare services, and so forth.

    Explain how requiring a person to show ID does anything to impede somebody from legally casting a vote?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    "what work still needs to be done?"

    States are passing laws to restrict voting rights that disproportionately affect black Americans (some were passed a day after the Supreme Court struck down section 5 of the voting rights act... subtlety isn't their strong suit...).
    Stop and frisk disproportionately targets blacks and hispanics while whites have the highest rates of having guns in those stops, guns being what the police is looking for (New York City stats).
    Blacks have the same rates of drug use as whites but higher arrest rates, higher conviction rates, longer sentence length rates...
    White killings of blacks are 8x more likely to be considered "justified" (think Zimmermann verdict for what a "justified killing" is) than a black killing of a white person.
    Having a "black sounding" name gets a job applicant with equivalent qualifications fewer interviews than someone with a "white sounding" name.

    That's just from the top of my head, and I'm a white guy who doesn't have to deal with any of this stuff.

    "Stop calling yourself African-Americans, French-Americans, Japanese-Americans, and so forth. You are Americans."

    Whitewashing someone's identify... is racist.

  • Copy Cat Murray, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    "Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred."

    "In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds"

    Quotes from MLK's Dream Speech, which go largely unfulfilled, and are a barrier to the following, also from the Dream Speech,

    "I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave-owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood."

    We have a "black president" with the ball in his court, a black attorney general, and many other black leaders. Do they drink from the cup of bitterness and hate? Or do they promote brotherhood across racial lines? MLK's dream is waiting on his own. So sad!

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    If we want to make Dr. King's dream come true, we have to stop making race an issue.

    Get rid of the question on many employment applications that asks for race.

    Get rid of the the government requirement that asks for race on nearly every government document. Race should only be used as a descriptor when police are looking for a criminal or when doing medical studies. Everywhere else it does no good.

    Stop calling yourself African-Americans, French-Americans, Japanese-Americans, and so forth. You are Americans. Separating yourself out does not help mend relationships.

    Stop reporting poverty and crim statistics in terms of race. You are creating self fulfilling prophecies when you tell minorities that their racial group is doomed.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    I have heard a lot over the past two days that "there is still more work to be done", and as a white guy I ask myself, what work still needs to be done? Last time I checked:

    Blacks can vote
    Blacks don't use different drinking fountains or bathrooms
    Blacks don't sit at the back of the bus
    Blacks have opportunities to own business
    Blacks get preferential treatment in hiring and promotion opportunities due to quotas
    Blacks are able to attend a college of their choice
    Blacks are able to own property
    Interracial marriage is no longer a stigma and will someday be a norm
    Blacks are disproportionately represented in the NBA, NFL, College Sports
    Blacks are represented in the highest court of the land, highest elected position, highest levels of government and academia, and board rooms.

    As far as I can tell, the only ones who say "there is more work to be done" are those who rely on dollars from the Race hustlers and will never say the fight is completed. Their paycheck and livelihood are directly tied to making a profit on the racism industry.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    I have a dream that one day minorities will want to be treated not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    The most famous Utahn of the 1980s once said the Civil Rights Movement was a communist plot.

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    The problems we face today are not because of skin color. The problem is 'thin skinned' people who see and take offense at every action done by others and define every action of others in racial terms. The shopping cart incident mentioned in the article is a perfect example of this self inflicted victimized.mentality. I think the majority of average Americans have moved on and left their racial prejudice behind if they ever had any in the first place. We have a black president and it took votes from all colors to elect him. The problems we still see are mainly from those who, regardless of the color of their skin color, black, white, or in between, still think they are living in the 1960's and make a very good living keeping the 'race card' alive and keep us divided by groups. They push group equality not individual equality. Group equality is a dead end goal, but it keeps the $$$ rolling in and the racism lie alive and the 'faux fight' for 'equal rights' going. It seems a rather sad way to go through life to me, looking for offense in the actions of those around you.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:31 p.m.

    Watch Bill Cosby Why we can't blame white people anymore. It's just interesting to hear his take on why there are so many problems within his race.

  • activ2004 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    The "first thing" almighty religious and political leaders need to "start doing" is quit being divisive, degrading and insulting to those Utahns who are doing their best to love their neighbors as themselves, who go out of their way to befriend and include those 'willing' individuals and groups who do not feel included and who would not hesitate or think twice about giving their lives in defense of every human soul regardless of 'perceived' (indoctrinated) differences.

    It is well past time the 'almighty' "I've got a dream" leaders start 'leading by example' and quit their destructive, divisive propaganda.

    I believe I will be punished for my own sins and not decades old, worn out, misleading civil rights abuses unless of course you want to include 'every' unrepresented, voiceless demographic of born and unborn human life. It is time to move on from the Beaver Cleaver world, or is it really?

    Is there progress still to be made, of course but there is no persons or groups who have exclusivity to these civil liberties. It's not rocket science and the compass has already been set in the direction to love everybody, that is 'IF' they want to be loved!

  • wigglwagon Mariion, Va
    Aug. 28, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    "She described an incident at a store on Tuesday, when a clerk came up to a counter and overlooked her to ask the white woman standing behind her who was first in line."

    That sounds very thin skinned to me. On several occasions, I have seen clerks walk up and ask who is next. I have never seen a clerk address that question to anyone in particular.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    Less has to be done as well in many instances.

    We need less accusations of racism every time something happens between two persons who happen to be of different races. When we constantly use the "R" word it becomes mundane and loses any effectiveness when it really is a factor in behavior. We need less whinning abour race.

    We need less of people identifying themselves as one race or another. This is true of persons who are bi-racial in their heritage, too, which plays one race against another in a political fashion.

    As to more:
    We need more compassion as human beings for every other person, viewing them as a brother or a sister, or as cousins, since we are all ostensibly created by the same Great Being.

    We need more Americans, living and working together, and less emphasis on what separated our predecessors centuries ago.

    We need more of each other. And we need less divisiveness. We need to be as one.