Teeples: 3 years into BYU football's independence, scheduling is still a rough road

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  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    No question that being an independent is very difficult when it comes to scheduling games. By playing many teams throughout the country BYU is giving itself an opportunity to show that they can compete against other conferences. They need to take better advantage of those opportunities by winning more of those games.

    I would personally like to see BYU in a more competitive league but it will be challenging with BYUs TV Network, although, it is vastly different than what other colleges wanted for their TV networks. Once teams come to understand more fully the programming of BYUtv I suspect they will be less concerned.

    Re: Bronco - Players like him but he does push the whole religion message a bit too much. Lavell certainly never stated that football was number 5 on his priority list and yet he still had several players join the church during his tenure. The atmosphere at BYU is what it is and if Bronco focuses on winning games, all the other goals will naturally be met as well.

  • Gus Tunkle Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 30, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    I am so super happy and excited that BYU went independent! There are so many good things about being independent It means that we can be tough and have fun with other teams who are cool and our friends!! Hooray!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 29, 2013 4:30 p.m.


    All nothing but BYU hating speculation dear perennial conference bottom feeder.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    "it’s still likely future home games will be light on the big names and heavy on the bottom half of FBS." -- Teeples

    It's worse then that. If Big 5 is the future, then BYU football falls to tier 2. Unless that is if Texas decides to award 40+ years of BYU discussions with an invite.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:43 p.m.


    Utah has a better win since joining the Pac 12 than byu does since going Indy - not true

    Utah has a better schedule - which is meaningless if U don't WIN

    Utah has a perfect record against our former rival since our split - and has finished BEHIND BYU in record and rankings both seasons; you've won the battle, but lost the war

    Utah is a better program - AP Top 25 Finishes BYU 17, Utah 5

    ESPN has never had any interest in signing Utah to an exclusive contract, but ESPN executives have talked about their partnership with BYU in glowing terms many times.

    LOL at your BYU-ESPN envy!

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:36 p.m.


    "Utah has a better win since joining the Pac 12 than byu does since going Indy"

    What? What games have you won? Which win is better than BYU?

    "...and has a better future."

    Debatable. Being a cellar dweller won't be all you think it is.

    "Think ESPN will keep shelling out the money when you can't point to anything but a win over a WAC team in 2 years?"

    Let's see... First, since we had a winning record last year with wins over Georgia Tech and Washington State, your comment is completely without merit...

    This year we will have wins over several schools with possible wins over several top 25 teams...

    oh yeah, and over the utes...

    so, yes, ESPN will still be interested.

    Unlike the interest in the utes, which will be nonexistent.

    Also, I love how you have to come too BYU article to justify your team's existence.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    It's the lazy and/or less-knowledgeable sports fans who tend to start shouting for coaches to be fired when things aren't humming along perfectly. A lot of them were shouting for Don Mattingly's head mid-seasons. It's awful quiet now. Did Mattingly suddenly go from clueless to genius? Nope. His team just caught fire.

    Same with Bronco. "Oh, we only went 8-5 . . he had a man-crush on Riley . . he promoted Doman too soon . . uniforms, blah blah blah . . fire Bronco!" Really? First, his overall record is very good, and most coaches would love to have the success he has. Second, it has never been, never will be, and never should be all about winning at the Y. It's a completely unique environment, and occasionally catching lightning in a bottle (1984, 1996) is about the best we can realistically hope for. I'd rather lose (or win less) than compromise what makes the Y the Y. Finally, the head coaching job at the Y is as unique as its environment. Not many D-1 level coaches would want the job, and fewer could make it work as well as Bronco has.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Point is:

    Utah has a better win since joining the Pac 12 than byu does since going Indy

    Utah has a better schedule(even this year our schedule is ranked tougher by everyone)

    Utah has a perfect record against our former rival since our split

    Utah is a better program, better on the field when we meet, and has a better future.

    Think ESPN will keep shelling out the money when you can't point to anything but a win over a WAC team in 2 years?


  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:03 a.m.


    "And to BYU... did they really think they were going to create a ND style dynasty? This weeks game is on ESPNU... what the heck?"

    With the Duke - NC Central game being streamed on ESPN3, you're whining about BYU-Virginia being televised on ESPNU, which, by the way, is available nationwide in approximately 75 million households?


  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    To our favorite troll:
    ESPN cares more about ratings and the audience brought to their network by BYUs national fanbase. I do agree that BYU needs to put a good product on the field to maintain those ratings and their audience, but I haven't heard any complaints yet from ESPN executives...actually quite the contrary.

    Which brings me to Utah. Talk about buyer's remorse. How must the PAC12 feel right now about their investment? Poor fellas...if only they'd let their athletic departments make the purchase instead of their snobby religiously biased admins, they wouldn't be waiting in the "return items" line.


  • Krispy Zadoosh Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    I agree that a win over USU isn't going to overly impress ESPN. But neither is a loss in OT.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 29, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    Hey Chris B.... which Pac 10 team with a winning record did the Utes beat? What? They didn't beat any of them.... say it isn't so!

    And to BYU... did they really think they were going to create a ND style dynasty? This weeks game is on ESPNU... what the heck? Is that following the ladies field hockey game\match - what ever it is called?

    Both teams were a bit delusional with their easy WAC\MTnest schedules, only to learn what the rest to the country knew that those records would not hold up when playing a higher level of game. BYU should beat perennial ACC bottom scraper Virginia. Great location... should be a good game for the cougs.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    I like the schedules Tom is putting together. They're never going to be "perfect", but he is scheduling a good mix of national and regional opponents that will give BYU an opportunity to be successful on a national scale IF they win.

    I do agree that BYU needs to start taking better advantage of their opportunities by beating some of these big name opponents.

    Winning at least 2 of the 4 games versus Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame, and of course beating Utah and Utah State, would be a good start.

    Go Cougs!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:56 a.m.


    There have been a few stumbles along the way, but all in all, Bronco and Holmoe have done a fantastic job. How many coaches in BYU history (or even Utah history) have finished in the AP Top 25 in four of their first five seasons as head coach? How many AD's have been able to schedule teams like Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin, and USC in the short span of two or three years?

    Well done Tom and Bronco!

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    I think Chris B makes a good point that it would behoove BYU to win some more of their biggest ESPN games in order to increase their chances of maintaining the current nice contract.

    Its still nothing to fret too much about though, because even if ESPN dumped BYU, BYU could probably always just go back to where they were before - the MWC. Which would even be an upgrade for basketball purposes.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Chris B,
    To answer your question, at least we beat USU in regulation!!! It was not a pretty win but it was a win and we not only went bowling last year for the eight straight year but won our bowl game!!! Please remind us how the Utes did in their bowl game last year!!! See your team on Sept. 21st!!! Good luck tonight the Utes are going to have their hands full with a very motivated Aggie team!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes except against BYU and USU
    Go Aggies!!!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Given the difficulties of having to juggle scheduling of 12 games a year, instead of only three or four, Tom Holmoe has done a fantastic job.

    Looking forward to watching the Cougs against the Cavs in a couple of days.

    Thanks to Tom's hard work, BYU fans from across the nation are going to be able to attend BYU games in the coming years.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Chris, Be careful what you say! The Utes have lost to several WAC teams (not just Utah State) and will again!

    Aug. 29, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    "Now's the time to upgrade from the AD and coaching staff that have us stuck in mediocrity."

    Are you serious? Who else could do as well as these two have with the restrictions of the Honor Code?

    Now, regarding BYU's scheduling there is something to be worried about with the power conferences going to nine game schedules. The SEC may do so soon. I like independence and think it is viable for a few more years but, longterm BYU needs to find their way at least to a football only agreement with a power conference.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    And after 2 years,

    What is the best win ESPN executives have seen as they decide the future of the byu arrangement?

    A win over WAC Utah State?


  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:06 a.m.


    You're not making any sense.

    Scheduling is all about playing a good mix of tougher opponents and winable games. Exposure, by definition, means more eyes watching the results of playing those tougher opponents. Of course there's the potential for being embarrassed in front of a large audience. But the flip side is having a great opportunity to have great success in front of a large audience.

    As far as ESPN dropping BYU in five years, that's nothing but Eyeore-like speculation. Unless you're clairvoyant, you have no way of knowing what bar of achievement BYU must attain in order to extend their contract with ESPN five years from now.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    While no conference is knocking down BYU's door to sign them up as a full fledged member, they sure want what the Cougars bring on game day: increased ticket sales, national TV coverage, etc.

    The Cogs brain trust is doing just fine!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 29, 2013 5:27 a.m.


    Who do you have in mind? IMHO as a BYU fan of 40+ years, the current coach and AD are doing as well as LaVell in his day. I'd like to see a step up too (a BCS Bowl appearance and win would help), but who is going to take us there?

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, I think it's incredible what Holmoe has been able to put together for this year and beyond. Sure, we don't have the amount of big-names on the schedule (at home) each year as we might like, but it's a heck-of-a lot better than being in the MWC, which is our ONLY other option at this point. Beggars can't be choosers.

    I also think that Bronco is the best coach out there for BYU. We'll see how this season goes, but I'm optimistic that the position coaches have been upgraded at least slightly (Atuaia is the wildcard here, as Dupaix seemed to do a good job last year). If we can start to land most of the top LDS talent, BYU will become a powerhouse once more. This is how I will feel about this year's potential outcomes:

    10 wins = There are no words

    And of course, I'd like to see a bowl win. (Who doesn't?)

    Go Cougars!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    Holmoe is a respected AD. Why do some people always look on the other side of the fence, like a bunch of cattle, thinking the grass is greener (or better) on the other side? There will never be another coach like Lavell Edwards. Bronco is the right coach for BYU. He brings a well rounded program which includes BYU (LDS) goals to the table. BYU tried a big name coach (Crowton) and his recruits let him down. There is no better coach for BYU right now than Bronco. And I do not believe there is anyone better as AD then Holmoe. Let's not be pessimistic. Let's back our AD, coaches and team. GO BYU!

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    "3 years into BYU football's independence, scheduling is still a rough road"

    Given the 8-5 embarassment last last year and the potential for being exposed instead of having exposure in 2013 and 2014, how much rougher becomes this scheduling road when ESPN drops BYU as their "House Team" as their contract ends in five years? Now's the time to upgrade from the AD and coaching staff that have us stuck in mediocrity.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Aug. 28, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Give credit where credit is due. BYU has worked hard to develop a very respectable schedule. Additionally being ESPN's "House Team" has really helped make BYU's transition to being an independent a workable option.

    ESPN's money and connections will continue to raise the bar for BYU football scheduling. Good luck except for when you play the UTES.