Less partianship on immigration, business leaders tell Rep. Bishop

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  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    For a Professional Teacher and Civics Teacher, he is finding it more difficult to talk out of both sides of his mouth as a politician even though he has been a politician most of his adult life. With Representative Chaffetz in the mix for the Utah Representatives, it makes it difficult for Congressman Matheson, Stewart and Bishop. They each have their electorate to represent but with the Tea Party side of the Republican party it even makes it difficult for Matheson.

  • TwoMastersDegree Barrington, NH
    Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Lost in DC,

    No need to thank me. I always considered myself part of OUR society. My three children were born here and I am proud they are Americans.
    Anyway, I only think a little different on the border issue. As the famous economist Milton Friedman said, there is also benefit from illegal immigration: first they can't drain any Social Security Benefits, second they increase the purchasing power for most Americans (cheaper services, housekeeping, agricultural labor, etc.). Non-tradable goods become relatively cheaper for Americans. The only sub-set of the population that is negatively impacted by illegal immigrants is the low-skilled workers (high-school dropouts, no college diploma, etc.). They do face direct competition from illegal immigrants.
    We cannot simply assume the illegal immigrants must be deported. Does any one really think would it be possible to deport 11 million people? Secondly, thinking that "they broke our laws, they are criminals" is just not fair. Thinking the same way, our founding fathers broke the law when they declared independence from England and should have been hanged. "Law" is a dynamic science and should reflect the social order of our society.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    years ago when I was single I had a roommate from Canada who was in the same boat - he was reaching the end of his temporary work visa, and even though his employer could not find anyone local with his skillset, it was like pulling teeth to get the visa renewed.

    thank you for adding to our society.

    thank you for being here legally.

    I am sorry nofit insists on lumping you in with illegal immigrants.

    is the system broken? yes

    does opening the borders with no controls fix it? no

    after seeing the dem approach to healthcare (obamacare), the economy (porkulus), and to too-big-to-fail banking (dudd-frank), I have NO confidence in anything the dems put forward to "solve" a problem. secure the border first, then let's tackle the next part of the problem.

  • TwoMastersDegree Barrington, NH
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Lost in DC and all,

    It's not that simple. I'm a foreign national (living legally in the US) with two masters degree on my belt and with the current system is EXTREMELY difficult to get a job. I've been through several job interviews. Some very good ones, but as soon as an employee hears he/she needs to go through the H-1B, they give up. I've put so far over 120K in American economy (tuition, books, computers, tablets, rental, two brand new cars, insurance, gym memberships, grocery, clothing and all expenses/services any citizen pay).
    My wife, also a very qualified professional (civil engineer with a Masters degree in Environmental Engineering) can't work either. Spouses of students and H-1B visa holders have less rights than women in Saudi Arabia!!!
    The current system needs be simplified in order to attract the high-skilled workers. Especially those ones, like me, that are already living in the US, working on advanced degrees and would like to continue to live and work here.
    Hope this puts some perspective on how overwhelming, unfriendly and discouraging the current system is.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    @ Love skiing"

    Please be more specific. What specific different results are we "people in Utah" expecting... that you are referring to?

    In what specific ways are Bishop, Hatch and the "others" the problem? Again, please give specifics.

    How exactly will getting rid of "them" allow so much more to get done... specifically, not the generalities you are prone to writing.

    And lastly, what specific lies are we people of Utah buying that should cause us to call ourselves "the Fool"?

    Most of your rhetoric is just that... rhetoric and nothing more. Especially if you refuse to or can't explain yourself more specifically.

  • Love skiing Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    Insanity- People in Utah keep electing the same people over and over and expect a different result. Wow. Bishop, Hatch and the other career politicians are the problem. Nothing will get done unless you get rid of them. Keep buying their lies and then look in the mirror and call yourself the Fool.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    The lobbyists for employers of illegal trespassers are putting EVERYTHING they have into getting House members to pass anything at all on immigration. When that happens, the House will get together with the Senate to "reconcile" their bills. Which means the majority of the Senate bill will remain in place since the senate is the "most" powerful of the two bodies.

    The Senate bill is LOADED with pork which has nothing to do with immigration, and which we can't afford even if it did!

    As House members hold townhall meetings with their constituents across the country, they are getting an earful OPPOSED to any "new" immigration bill.

    Lets HOPE that Rep. Bishop realizes that the businessmen only each get 1 vote. 80-90% of us commoners are OPPOSED to anything except ENFORCEMENT!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Why would we allow the same people who created the mess to fix it? I love 'gridlock' in Washington D.C. Nothing getting done would be a vast improvement! Now, if we can just cancel Obamacare and every other unconstitutional program. Partisanship would end and people would actually be free to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    no fit,
    why do you INSIST in lumping all hispanic immigrants in with the illegals? Why?

    I have no problem with legal immigrants - they are more than welcome here. Employers CAN hire legal immigrants.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    How are you ever going to convince the American caucasian workers to put forth as much effort as the Hispanic immigrant workers?
    When comparing the work ethic and the daily time spent actually working hard at the job, there is no comparison.
    This is blatantly apparent in the jobs that young American people, or older workers with little or no education, refuse to accept.
    And people wonder why employers are working to tirelessly to get legislation to legally hire immigrant workers.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Representative Bishop is to be commended, along with our other Utah congressmen, for standing up for sound principles and the integrity of American citizenship in this immigration issue. So many in the senate have allowed their votes to be influenced by the business lobby and the Hispanic factor.

    Any changes in America's policies on illegal immigration should be carefully considered one faction at a time and with primary attention being paid to border security and hiring practices of employers.

    Kudos to Rob Bishop.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    In the senate vs house debate, we see that Boehner is the statesman while reid is the partisan shill. Boehner talks and negotiates with BO, trying to get stuff done, but when the result is sent to harry and trhe senate, he and chuckie through fits and undermine their own president purely for partisan reasons.

    What can business do with the illegals already here? Stop hiring them!!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    So, a guy from the Chamber and an immigration lawyer are promoting amnesty for illegal aliens.
    They trot out all the rhetoric that some people just don't like immigrants.

    Well, most people DO like immigrants. The trouble is illegal aliens, those people who come here illegally, lie about their status and take jobs.

    That's what we are talking about here. Now, why is the Chamber and the immigration lawyer defending illegal aliens? Because of greed perhaps? Cheap labor? Clients?

    The real answer here is as basic as human nature: Do not reward bad behavior. Amnesty, by any other name, is still rewarding people who broke the law. That never works.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 5:03 a.m.

    "Smith asked the congressman what the business community can do to help make progress on the issue of dealing with immigrants in the country illegally."

    That's easy. Stop hiring them.

    Not likely though because the illegals represent a large pool of potential employees willing to work for poverty level wages. Why hire a citizen when these guys are willing to work for less?

    Does anyone else see a conflict of interest with this group entirely made up of business owners and immigration lawyers?

    A little rainfall is good for the soil. But when it rains faster than it can be absorbed, the resulting flash flood is destructive, not beneficial. That's why we have immigration law.

    So here we are up to our necks in a flood and these guys are doing a rain dance.

    What is their motive?

  • DVD Taylorsville, 00
    Aug. 27, 2013 4:55 a.m.

    So is Rep. Bishop telling us that there's a more powerful force influencing some sides of Congress than voter desire? We'd benefit to see what that is, as an elected official that no longer responds to voter desire is no longer participating in a democracy.

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    It's not political, it's greed and law breaking. The Chambers of Commerce need to have compassion for America's citizens. We have no enforcement now, nothing will change, except higher unemployment, depressed wages, and a much larger tax burden on legal immigrants and citizens. Besides 33 million people (the population of Canada), we will see double the green cards and work visas. (currently 1 million and 3.2 million)

    Enforcement is the only solution that does not make things worse down the road. It's the only honest solution.

  • wigglwagon Mariion, Va
    Aug. 26, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    Any proposed reform that does not include mandatory jail terms for employers of illegal aliens will be a complete failure just as the '86 Amnesty was a failure.

    Every day that an illegal alien is allowed to work is another day that taxpayers are forced to support a law abiding family that was forced into unemployment and poverty when the illegals under bid the legal workers for jobs.

    The penalty for EMPLOYERS of illegal workers should be mandatory $15,000 fine per illegal worker and mandatory 2 years in jail without parole per illegal worker. That would put an immediate end to the problem.

    That is ALL the reform we need.