The real issue here is whether Desmond Harrison answered truthfully whether he
was an athlete or not when he registered for the BYU Independent Study class.If he didn't, which appears likely, then it really doesn't
matter when BYU discovered it, BYU was obligated to enforce the policy.
WON84"It took so long to act on the policy because the
University of Texas is on BYU's schedule this season..."Typical BYU-hating response.It took so long to act on the policy
because BYU didn't discover that Desmond Harrison was a student-athlete
until recently.BYU doesn't have the time nor resources to
investigate every Independent Study student. The policy is clearly stated in the
registration procedures and students are expected to answer truthfully whether
they're an athlete or not.Harrison has only himself, or whoever
signed him up for the class, to blame for this fiasco.
"The blame doesn't lay at BYU’s feet — except to ask why it
took so long to act on the policy."It took so long to act on the
policy because the University of Texas is on BYU's schedule this season...
"MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTAs for this article, I am not as
quick as Mr Teeples to absolve byu of some measure of culpability in this
matter. Again, the NCAA needs to conduct a thorough investigation of byu's
online courses and make a call."The NCAA did, "make a
call," in 2010. It's in the article.Ivy league, and such
poor reading comprehension. Tsk, tsk.
Two words that this country and everyone in it need to relearn...Personal responsibility.
I've taken Engineering classes at both BYU and Utah. Utah is justifiably
proud of their engineering program and I did enjoy my time there but BYU's
classes were more rigorous and competitive.
NevadaCoug"Not sure how BYU is in the wrong here."BYU isn't in the wrong here; that's the point.Instead of
accepting the Junior College Credit carte blanche, Texas should have verified
all course work independently. It strains credulity that Texas wasn't fully
aware of BYU's Independent Study policy concerning non-BYU student
ACT Scores for Utah Colleges (25%/75%)Composite - English - Math BYU 26/31 - 26/33 - 26/31Utah 21/27 - 21/28 - 20/27 USU 20/26 -
20/27 - 19/26Only a desperately biased individual would try to claim
that an academic institution whose entrance requirements are 5 points higher,
across the board, has a less rigorous curriculum, than the school with the lower
academic entrance requirements.
Well said Tators.@ MyPerspectiveIf i was to make a bunch
of baseless claims denigrating the U of U medical school, football team
academics and academics in general at the U of U, i would expect students and
alumni of Utah to call me on it and some probably wouldn't be nice about
it. Did you really expect a different reaction when you provided so little to
back up anything you said?
I am a graduate of Utah because I didn't have the academic credentials to
get into BYU. I was consistently near the top of my class at Utah and graduted
in 3 years. Although the faculty was great, the academics were just a little
better than high school. I know many people in our commumity and I have never
heard of someone applying, and being accepted at BYU and not being accepted by
Utah. I can give you hundreds of examples of the opposite. BYU is better
academically, better students equals better academics, plain and simple.
BYU has a higher % (78%) of students that are accepted taht choose to attend
there than any other school in the USA (including Harvard, and Stanford.-BYU's average ACT 28.6 -Utah's average ACT 24.5I personally know well beyond 15-20 kids that scored a 35 or higher on
their ACT's currently studying at BYU and many of them and others are
currently working in NY at I Banks such as GS, Credit Suisse, JPMorgan etc.Many other friends are consulting at Bane as well as Mckinsey.
Don't get me wrong I- don't think U of U is a bad academic school. But
you can't really compare it to BYU.I also have 4 friends
currently at the U for medical School. They have all said that Med school is a
peace of cake compared to their undergraduate at BYU. I was
surprised very surprised to hear that. see about.com for ACT scores
@ MyPerspective:In this particular instance, you have become a case
study in and of yourself. First of all, you make several off-the-cuff
unsubstantiated assertions about the program being "a gimmick", followed
by another about the football team ranking so low academically... again totally
unsubstantiated. Then you try adding gas to the fire with a "glorified high
school" comment about BYU, and then act incredulous when others start
questioning where in the heck you are coming from with such obviously biased and
invidious statements.Go back and reread your posts, and if possible, look
at the situation objectively. You vigorously stirred up a hornets nest and then
innocently wonder why you are being stung.And by the way, Masters
programs are supposed to be tougher academically than undergraduate programs. If
your graduate work wasn't more difficult there, then the U of U would look
very suspect. Also interesting is a study released by Harvard a few
days ago indicating that BYU is the top 25 in the nation as the choice of high
school students academic top echelon. The U of U didn't make the top 110.
That is substantiated and actually says something worthwhile.
this is old story of how long ago? Move on
Some of you are really having a hard time with this concept. Let me try and
summarize this so that you can understand.1) Michael Oher and others
used BYU IS classes to make up high school credits in order to be eligible for
college. The NCAA expressed concerns about how fast they were able to take
those classes. It was also concerned about over site, namely whether or not
those student athletes were really taking the classes. Mainly because of the
over site issue, they decided to prohibit student athletes from using such
classes as a means to become eligible.2) BYU, after looking over
their IS program, decided to take further steps to insure student athletes are
not abusing the system. They prohibited any non-BYU athlete from taking BYU IS
courses as a means of becoming eligible since BYU could not provide over site.
This is not a problem for BYU students, since BYU can provide over site for IS
classes.3) Desmond Harrison ignored this BYU rule and took a class
anyway. Now he and his coaches are upset because BYU is enforcing the rule.Not sure how BYU is in the wrong here.
Where is Chris?
What a cheap shot taken at Urban Meyer. Has he had athletes who have violated
the law and come back to play for him yes. Were they just given their second or
third chances without any kind of "repentance"? No! They have all taken
personal responsibility and earned their way back onto his teams. Every group,
company or team etc has people who screw up, make mistakes. some are grievous
and intentional others are minor and innocent most are somewhere in between. Do
I believe people should get an infinite amount of chances for repeating
offenses, no, but they should be given a few. People mess up!
@MyPerspective"Makes me wonder what you studied??" Sorry
for not providing you with enough details: BYU, Civil and Environmental
Engineering, 3.91; U of U, MBA, 4.0. Is that sufficient? BTW, congratulations
on your Ivy League degree... "Makes me wonder what you studied??"@Who am I Sir?I'm sorry if you had a hard time with the
rules (rules you knew about and committed to follow before enrolling). I'm
also sorry if you only "heard" one truth. I heard many, and I'm
guessing you just didn't hear one you liked (the progressive definition of
academic freedom and tolerance).
MyPerspective:At 6:50 on 8/17 you say: "I did not say all the
examples merit a public apology" but at 1:43 you complained: "The result
of these events? Not one word of apology from the school...not one". So, which is it?BYU's comments about AFA blocking
techniques do not merit an apology and nobody other than you has ever asked for
one.Baseball Coach Vance Law was reprimanded by the league for
accusing UNM of provoking the fight. Look it up. View the video of the event. It
was a scuffle. Perhaps you should apologize for accusing him of starting and
participating a fight when he did neither.Max provided his own
apology for his own actions. Which school has ever
"apologized" for throwing trash on the court? None. BYU did apologize
for the jumbotron incident with USU a few years ago, however.And
SDSU did not offer a "well worded apology" to BYU. The student leader of
"The Show" said that if his sign offended Jimmer, then he apologized.
Period.And what again makes you an expert on BYU Independent Study?
@RikitikitaviI accepted scholarship. I agreed to conditions. I complied.
I moved on many reasons - some were listed. NO BLAME. I just matured.@panamadesnews" Please do not say things that are not proven.
Thank you"My proof was rejected twice as "duplicate"; however,
the original response has yet to be posted. Here is another abrieviated
attempt. "BYU "Character Education" courses that merely required
Oher to "read a few brief passages from famous works ... and then answer
five questions about it." Lewis dubbed the process "the great Mormon
grade-grab." (Blind Side book) and "Some of those athletes and their
suitors or coaches have been caught cheating, especially with BYU
correspondence." "Students trying to get or stay eligible to play
sports ... have been found to have improperly taken BYU correspondence courses.
... some athletes didn't know coaches enrolled them in the BYU
courses." (Trib article)Most posters have blamed peoples honesty - not
BYU. Well, BYU is responsible for the difficulty disclosed in Oher's book.
And if BYU places that much faith in IS students honesty - I can't
comprehend what little control is placed on regular students efforts! NO other
school implements zero controls.
Sure, student athletes should be held accountable. But why the double
standard?You can get credit if you are not a student athlete, but if you
are a student athlete you can't, unless you are a BYU student athlete.Give me a break. That is like playing poker and you can't get an
inside straight except on Tuesdays.If the student did the work and
earned the grade then they get credit.If the course is not rigorous enough
for University credit, then fix it or delete it and nobody gets credit.
So much of the comments are about my University is better than your University
and missing the whole point of the matter!This is about HONESTY.
What was intended here. Look at what the real problem is. If there is a problem
with BYU it is that they are too trusting of people. Is that so wrong? I would
much rather be trusted and accomplish things in life honestly than to be
dishonest and have to live with that and fight those feeling and try to justify
myself when faced with reality.So spin all you want, but when you
look at the facts and the heart and soul of the problem, it comes down to the
individual and what their intentions were (are).
@myperspectiveThe only one being aggressive and attackin is you...
Most of the negative responses I read are a result of your attacks against an
institution that we are all proud to have attended and one that we believe has
very high academic standards... When you call it a "Glorified High
School" you are probably going to get that reaction... So please, stop with
the whole "Poor Victim " thing.You claim that you have
worked "for", "with", and have even "supervised" BYU
Grads and "none of them taught you anything"... I would submit that that
is more a reflection on you than them...In fact, if I were
recruiting for any of the Corporations that I have worked for and I was
considering someone who had worked with or for you (just based on what you have
written here) I wouldn't even bother checking you as a reference because I
would know that your evaluations and opinions are far from accurate and bubbling
over with personal bias.The fact that both you and your wife are no
longer students at BYU it appears that we have a win-win situation for all.
I got an undergraduate degree from BYU, then a graduate degree from Northwestern
University.Of course the graduate degree was harder than undergraduate -
duh! Most are where ever you go. But the undergraduate education at BYU
prepared me very well to work for a doctorate at one of the best universities in
the Country.On the surface it seems fair to give anyone credit for
these classes. But on further reflection -- it makes more sense to only give
credit to BYU athletes where they can be monitored and assisted in progressing
in their studies. Many universities don't care if their athletes go to
class or progress toward graduation. BYU does care. This is one of the
programs BYU uses to help lesser students learn to work better to catch up to
become real college students.
Rikitikitavi"If you can't accept reality, stop blaming BYU
and man up and move on with your life then you are the real loser." And here you are calling someone a "loser" because they
disagreed with you. Please read my comment above (12:54pm). This
is a classic example of what byu people do when others do not conform to their
accepted way of thinking...name calling and bullying. The point made by Who am
I sir? is displayed right here on this comment board.I shared these
comments with my wife, a byu undergrad and now holds a PhD and prepares students
in her field. She is still laughing at the sense of superiority in which you
people wrap yourselves like a security blanket. She is grateful for her
education at byu and felt prepared entering the workplace. However, she noted
that she was no more prepared than any other student from any other institution.
She is not the least bit impressed with the arrogance of byu fans.
Cougar in TexasI did not say all the examples merit a public apology. So,
of the three incidents that can by laid at the feet of the institution, which
ones did byu stand tall, acknowledge, and make right?? Let's review...The comments made by Lamb and Jorgensen were despicable. The ole'
others said the same thing doesn't cut it. Is byu responsible for its
actions or not? Think about it.If byu's coach did not
encourage or participate in the fight (not the story I read) what what he
reprimanded for?? Of course he "felt" the UNM provoked what you
characterize as a "scuffle" (excellent word choice to minimize what
occurred). What else would he say?Now...about Max Hall-gate and
fans throwing trash at referees...I know it's shocking to some
(i.e., Stufoo) but byu does, in fact, have it's blunders. SDSU stood tall
and made their gaff right. byu? Not so much. Stufoo wanted
examples, there they are. Austin CougBYU is a solid
educational institution. To state otherwise is disingenuous and uninformed.
Great. No problem with the NCAA taking a look, then.
@who am iClassic case of blaming the school for the fact that you just did
not fit there. Stop blaming BYU and accept the fact that no one forced you to
enroll. If you can't accept reality, stop blaming BYU and man up and move
on with your life then you are the real loser. Your bulloney carries zero
credibility. I attended BYU for four years and loved every minute of my time
there. I never once regretted my choice to enroll at such a great University. On
point, the fact remains that the BYU honor code is in force and folks in IS can
cheat if they choose to cheat. Honorable individuals will benefit from these
courses while cheaters are only hurting themselves. Rules is rules and these
athletes need to be held accountable for their lack of integrity.
Who Am I Sir?I always get a good chuckle from someone who went to
Utah then claims they were exposed to so much “diversity” there. You
need to get out more.MyPerspectiveSo when did you take a
BYU IS course that makes you such an expert? There are two Texas fans on UT
Boards right now who say they've taken courses from BYU IS and support
their legitimacy.As for BYU not taking responsibility, only 3 of the
5 examples you shared could be laid at the feet of the institution.BYU player played 5 games after getting a DUI: As soon as BYU found out, he
was suspended. Contrast this to how Utah treated Brett Ratliff's
situation. Not only did Lamb and Jorgensen complain about AFA's
blocking techniques, a whole bunch of other schools did too (and about
Navy's as well). To date, no complainant has offered an apology. It was
their opinions.BYU's baseball coach did not encourage nor
participate in a fight. He was reprimanded after a UNM-BYU postgame scuffle when
he said he felt that UNM provoked it.You'll have to do better
The negative nancies are missing the point. IS classes at BYU are meant to be
taken by the person who enrolled in the class. It is called CHEATING to have
someone else do the the work for you. That was the problem and that is what
spurned the change. BYU is a solid educational institution. To state otherwise
is disingenuous and uninformed. Why would BYU have an average ACT score of 28
for entering freshman if they were a glorified high school?
SLCWatch has this one exactly right.
horn1Any school or program can place eligibility requirements for
those taking a class or course it offers. This is routinely done.Harrison or his counselor willfully ignored the plain statement on the BYU IS
website that the credits are not eligible for student-athlete NCAA
qualification.Texas’ primary complaint is that other athletes
have used the courses to gain NCAA eligibility, therefore so should Harrison. If
other athletes did this then they too lied when they took their courses. BYU
relies on the honesty of the student to declare whether or not they are a
student-athlete. BYU does not double check.In this case, someone
outed Harrison to BYU. Texas might want to look at some of their conference foes
or recruiting rivals as the culprit.
STuFOO, per your request...-Max Hall-gate-byu Football player
with DUI played 5 games-byu coach (Lamb) and a player making unfounded
accusations about Air Force -byu baseball coach encouraging his players
to, and participating in, a fight-Students throw trash at referees
(ostensibly because the refs deserved it)-Others?The result of
these events? Not one word of apology from the school...not one.Compare that with the prank that SDSU students pulled on byu when they dressed
up as missionaries. The byu collective stamped their feet, screamed
"religious discrimination," and demanded an apology. byu received an
exceptionally well worded, thought out, and sincere apology from SDSU. Now, Stufoo, I'm not saying that byu has never apologized for their
short comings. But I have demonstrated here that byu has, in fact, made its
share of mistakes. Further, I will unequivocally state that I personally have
never seen a formal, substantive apology from byu regarding any matter. As for this article, I am not as quick as Mr Teeples to absolve byu of
some measure of culpability in this matter. Again, the NCAA needs to conduct a
thorough investigation of byu's online courses and make a call.
Who am I sir?Exceptionally well stated! What we are
seeing on this board is a perfect example of how people are treated who voice
opinions that are contrary to what is considered acceptable thinking regarding
byu. So far I've been told:I am "foolishly attacking"
(this from an attorney)I was rejected by byuI was scornedI am
Sour grapesI am enviousI was denied admission (my personal
favorite)I am unable to "capitalize byu" (whatever that means)I have a secondary agendaI am not as bright as byu students who easily
transfer to the Ivy League (epic fail)I have not experienced the academic
rigor of byu (this article is about byu's online courses that kids sleep
through for high school credit) Without question, the most amazing
part of these comments...I am a faithful member of the same church as the people
who are saying this to me. I too, am a Utah Man.
Who AM I Sir: Where do you get the information that the IS program involves
"no work"? Do you have sources that indicate that? I'm not
accepting "everyone knows that they require no work" garbage. Please do
not say things that are not proven. Thank you.
poymanLincoln City, ORA glorified high shool eh?... LOL...I'm willing to wager that either your's or a family
member's application for admission to BYU was rejected at some point of
time in the past and that's why we see you foolishly come out and attack
the quality of education at BYU... Well, you lost the bet...re-read
my post. And for the record...I have worked with, for, and over byu grands and
they have never taught me anything. Think long and hard about that before you
respond.4601"I too have attended BYU, the U and an Ivy
League school. Your experience is vastly different than mine. BYU's
academic rigor and bright students compare well with the Ivy League." Well, we'll have to agree that we have different experiences then.
I started at the U is it true that you started at byu? I found the advanced
degrees easier as I moved forward. I don't know what you mean about my
inability to "capitalize byu" or your assertion of a "secondary
agenda." Just because I'm not singing byu's praises doesn't
imply some kind of conspiracy.
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTI too have attended BYU, the U and an
Ivy League school. Your experience is vastly different than mine. BYU's
academic rigor and bright students compare well with the Ivy League. The U is
not in the running, hence my transfer to the Ivy League. Your inability to
capitalize BYU is a not too subtle indication of your secondary agenda.
A glorified high shool eh?... LOL... I'm willing to wager that
either your's or a family member's application for admission to BYU
was rejected at some point of time in the past and that's why we see you
foolishly come out and attack the quality of education at BYU... I
have been in Senior Management with three different Fortune 500 Companies for
over 30 years and have rubbed shoulders with Graduates from several Universities
and I can tell you unequvically from a Corporate Recruiting Standpoint, BYU runs
circles around the Uiversity of Utah... In fact a Bachelors or Graduate Degree
from BYU is highly reguarded in the world of Business and in the field of law
where I have my expertise... I have a Bachelors Degree from BYU and chose the
University of Washington to get my Graduate Degree and both were excellent
schools...May I suggest that instead of ripping on BYU Academics,
that you or whoever was denied admission simply apply to another school with
less stringent requirements for admission... Scorn, Sour Grapes and Envy are
traits that should be hidden and not publicly displayed.
@Jeff29I, too, went to both schools and I agree with you the
"school to the south was more difficult". It was very difficult to
conform. It was difficult to have someone set the length my Bermuda shorts
could be, to disallow sandals, to prohibit any facial hair, to discourage
original thoughts. It was difficult to accept their concept of higher
education. The premise of higher education was for learned men to gather
together to discuss their ideas, beliefs, customs, etc. so that one could learn
from them and then establish ones own beliefs. It was not where one should hear
only one "truth" - to strengthen that which they already believed. I
wanted exposure to others dissimilar to myself - to learn from them - to share
with them my knowledge and beliefs. That is why I can say I went to both
schools and that I am a "Utah man".
Love how everyone is blaming BYU instead of requiring personal
responsibility.It is always the institutions fault, when individuals
missuses the system.That is why our country is in such a mess.
Here's the issue at hand.BYU SELLS on online college credit
program to the public. If they SELL this product to the public, then they are
NOT allow to tell that individual what they can or can not do with that college
credit. BYU is an accredited university which means their online courses should
be up to par. If an individual wants to use that credit to transfer to another
college, THEN THAT IS THEIR RIGHT! It is up to the other college to decide if
they will accept that credit. It is NOT BYU's place to say who can and who
can't take a class; and what they can do with that credit if they are
selling it to the public, their students, and to their athletes. The Harrison
kid was using the BYU course to graduate from his community college.
1000's of people, athletes and non-athletes do this same thing every year
from colleges across the nation. If BYU has an issue or concern with their
online standards, then they need to removed their online classes all together
and quit SELLING them to the public.
Strider303, Silent Lurker, MyPerspective, and others;BYU IS courses
have been a great blessing to many, providing real education in a
non-traditional environment. Due to illness, my daughter would not have
completed high school without it.The coursework is entirely valid;
however, it relies upon the honesty of the student that he/she actually did the
work and not someone else in their place. About 10 years ago, many
would-be college student-athletes cheated the system and the NCAA decided to no
longer accept them toward athletic eligibility. BYU IS has a clear warning at
its website explaining this to prospective students as well as explaining that
BYU does not certify credits for any form of student-athlete NCAA qualification
(because BYU cannot verify that the student did all of his own work). The
exception is for enrolled BYU athletes where BYU can control the integrity of
the system.Those of you denigrating BYU IS have either not used it
in the last 6 years, or have no idea how it works. Go ahead and give it a try
and then come back and make an informed comment.
I doubt that BYU intended its independent study program to be a loophole or a
sham to get college athletes eligible for college. BYU cannot be held
responsible for the acts of others. But the fact remains that a sham is what
this has become. BYU also shows a double standard in this situation by allowing
it's own athletes/students to participate in this program and not other
schools athletes/students. There may be good reasons for this, still it appears
that this is a double standard. It is time for BYU to "man up" and take
responsibility for having such a loosely run program. BYU clean up this program!
Jeff29Draper, UT"You can "think" whatever you want
about the academic rigors of BYU, but I happen to have a Bachelor's Degree
from BYU and a Master's Degree from the U. The school to the south was more
difficult."So do I and I couldn't disagree more. Makes me
wonder what you studied?? btw...I also have a degree from an Ivy League
school.The point is...byu does a tremendous service in helping kids
(especially their own athletes) get through HIGH SCHOOL without working. Well
done...well done, indeed!The NCAA needs to step in here and conduct
a thorough investigation of the academic merits and administration of this so
called on-line academic program.
MyPerspective"I've long thought of byu as a glorified high
school and this situation is a shining example of that assessment."Nice to know that you don't have an axe to grind."It's abundantly clear how byu gets its recruits academically
qualified and it's equally clear why the football team ranks so low
academically. "Except college athletes cannot use the program.
Nice try to disparage BYU.FAIL."byu has a long and
distinguished history of taking no responsibility for its shortcomings."I love how you infer that there are just so many shortcomings.Please! If you had ANY candor, you would name these shortcomings instead of
simply stating that there are many.FAILFor instance:u of u swim scandal.Try to use words that are actually from
"MyPerspective" not trying to make "MyPerspective" some
twisted fact.then maybe you wouldn't FAIL.
@My PerspectiveYou assertion about BYU's football team ranking low
academically is wrong.Your assertion about BYU qualifying non qualifiers
is wrong.Go do some research please. We shouldn't have to do it for
you.You don't understand this issue. Please take time to learn what
the issue really is.And yes, I am a University of Utah graduate. I take
the time to study issues first.Don't let your blind bias lead your
@MyPerspeciveYou can "think" whatever you want about the
academic rigors of BYU, but I happen to have a Bachelor's Degree from BYU
and a Master's Degree from the U. The school to the south was more
In previous comments on another article, the policy was explained more clearly.
Still murky though. But the issue is that players can take the course if they
are under management (according to the other writer). Therefore, if the kid were
on campus, he'd be OK.But this was long ago. Let it ride.
I don't see how I could disagree with this article. I wonder if BYU ought
to consider why the independent study program is so easy that people getting
F's in high school are getting A's in there program. With the facts
that have been presented, it's hard to imagine a school who is willing to
suspend a star basketball player of it's own for breaking rules and let
walk someone who gamed the system. That wouldn't be a very good message to
timewilltellDo you know what else looks bad for byu? A gimmick by a
university helping students pass high school classes. I've long thought of
byu as a glorified high school and this situation is a shining example of that
assessment. It's abundantly clear how byu gets its recruits academically
qualified and it's equally clear why the football team ranks so low
academically. The players learned how to receive high school grades by doing no
work through a university. Of course Teeples states that byu is not
to blame. byu has a long and distinguished history of taking no responsibility
for its shortcomings. A great example of a stand up culture."Clearly byu is in the right." Well said, timewilltell.
Good article Ryan and clearly BYU is in the right. However I really hope they
grant Harrison a pass. He is young and made a mistake but to hinder his
education and desire to play will certainly look bad for BYU and even Church
members. Showing good will can go a long will, this is a Church University after
"Everyone in college football knew BYU offered programs that could be
exploited to improve grades. It was explained in detail in Michael Lewis’
popular book about Michael Oher, "The Blind Side." They also knew very
well when BYU made it unavailable to non-BYU student-athletes in 2006"Certainly raises some questions. In 2006 BYU made it unavailable to
non-BYU student athletes. Doesn't say BYU changed the program in any other
way. Prior to 2006 what a black-eye for BYU when athletes from across the
nation were getting passing grades for no effort. Those taking the courses can
still get grades for doing no work? Now it appears only BYU student-athletes
can take the offered programs! High standards, indeed.
Perhaps some information is needed to explain why student-athletes are not
eligible to receive credit for the IS courses, while other people are eligible.
Why are they singled out and excluded? BYU got their money, the
class was passed. Who cares if the student is a lineman or stay-at-home mom?
Three time graduate of the school and still I am amazed at some of
the management practices.
Great article! Besides the severity of the circumstance, is this situation any
different than someone coming forward after 3 years and stating that their
spouse killed their neighbor? I think the police will still arrest him. Just
because the government didn't know about the murder 2 years earlier and
issued the murderer a child care license doesn't mean that they
shouldn't rescind that license today. But that's the Police's
fault right????? The entitled generation will always blame someone else for
their mistakes and it makes me sick!