Infographic: BYU 13th nationally, first in West in men's basketball attendance for 2012-13 season

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  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2013 3:42 p.m.


    "BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by supporting it.

    No matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time program.

    Here's to another great season to come!!!"

    Except, of course, when it comes to what truly matters, The NCAA Tourney....NCAA Leader in Tourney appearances w/out ever reaching The Final Four, for a reason!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    I would venture a guess that MOST people around the nation think University of Utah and Utah State University are the same school. Outside of our region they would be hard pressed to name any accomplishment that the Utes have made. Given there introduction into the PAC12, that one game against Alabama may remain as the greatest school achievement in football.

    BYU on the other hand is instantly recognizable because it has a global reach.

    Would BYU "jump" at the chance to go into the PAC 12? BYU didn't jump at the chance when they had discussions with the Big 12 which is a deeper conference football wise than the PAC. No, BYU as an institution is better off independent. Sure many fans wanted PAC membership. However, aligning with the PAC lessens exposure for the program. It also would mean no TV rights, which was the likely deal killer with the Big 12.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Aug. 15, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Christopher B

    Do you need help understanding the multicolor chart provided in the article?

    FYI: You might want to read the post by Danish American. BYU, I believe, won 2 NIT championships when the NIT was the premier post season tournament.

    Danish American

    Stan Watts was a class act as well.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 15, 2013 6:26 p.m.


    It's hysterical how Utah fans absolutely refuse to acknowledge any BYU accomplishments in football prior to 2004, yet as soon as basketball is brought up, suddenly SEVENTY years ago is like yesterday.

    Face it, the Utes haven't done anything of significance in basketball since Bogut, the last remnant of the Majerus era, left Utah. It's been almost a decade since the Utes won their last game in the NCAA tournament.

    As far as big time programs go, Utah is a washed up has been.

    During the Dave Rose Era
    BYU 209-66 (76%), EIGHT 20+ win seasons, 6 NCAAs, 4 conf championships, 12-3 head-to-head
    Utah 116-137 (46%), ONE 20+ win season, 1 NCAA, 1 conf championship, 6 losing seasons

    7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overall

    The Utes haven't beaten BYU since squeaking out an OT win in the HC in Jan 2009.

    Just admit it; BYU owns U in basketball.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Actually, Christopher B, you are probably not old enough to remember it and probably too stubborn to admit it, but when I was young the NIT was the National Title Tournament. BYU won it. Majerus had some great teams but he wasn't the class act that Jack Gardner or Jerry Pimm were.

  • But seriously folks! Eugene, OR
    Aug. 15, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    I love the jealous rants of the utsies on the hill. They use this tactic to draw attention away from the train wreck on the hill in football and basketball. Utah is in a free-fall in basketball and will continue to slide in football in their beloved conference who by the way barely notices they are even there. I live in PAC country and believe me,
    Utah is NEVER NEVER mentioned in ANY conversations unless it is like this: "Hey look, we have Utah on our schedule, there an easy win"
    Utah fans seem to think that they are more worthy of membership than the rest of the conference. You live in your little crimson bubble but maybe you should live outside the bubble for a bit to see what the rest of the country thinks of your programs. Now that's a LOL

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 3:03 p.m.


    No matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time program.

    You mean other than sweet 16's and final fours right?

    0 final fours in the history of your program?
    1 sweet 16 in the last 30 years?

    Please tell me what other "big time programs" have similar accomplishments?


  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    Aug. 15, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Wow chrissy has a HUGE crush on the Pac12

    Too bad it is not reciprocated.

    The feeling you have about the PAC 12 are not the same as the PAC 12 for u.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    "byu, boise, san diego, unlv would say "how high" if the Pac 12 called and told them to jump"

    Your team said "how high" too. Problem is they tripped on the first hurdle out of the blocks while placing PAC stickers all over east Salt Lake and haven't got back up yet, in any major sport. Be sure to let us know when the boys on the hill accomplish anything noteworthy in the PAC-12, in BB or FB. It won't be any time soon. (And no, battling with Colorado for 5th and 6th place in the south isn't considered noteworthy. Nor is having bragging rights to claim that Marshall Henderson is a former member of your elite fraternity)

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    As my little sister inadvertantly admitted, since we have no accomplishments of our own, we're forced to hide behind the skirts of our PAC 12 associates.

    BYU, on the other hand, is fully capable of producing their own accomplishments.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Christopher B

    7 in a row; 11 of the last 12; 149-145 overall

    BYU owns U in basketball, with no end of that domination in sight.

    The hard truth is, the only reason Utah fans have to beat their gums incessantly about their PAC 12 membership, is because the Utes have absolutely ZERO accomplishments of their own worth mentioning.

    btw, if the Utes counted actual warm bodies in seats, instead of paid attendance of season ticket holders who no longer bother to attend games, the actual attendance in the HC for last season would be closer to 5,000 fans. That FACT is blatantly evident by the vast sea of empty red chairs clearly visible BELOW concourse at every Utah game.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 15, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    RE: Crispy

    I won't presume to speak for Cougarnation, but I personally would take independence in football and affiliation with lesser conferences in all other sports over membership in the PAC12. I have some of my own personal biases for that decision, but the well documented increase in exposure, television revenue, and geographic reach makes it a legitimately difficult decision. Now, if the Big 12 came calling, that's another story...

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 10:41 a.m.


    Don't embarrass yourself by pretending byu wouldn't jump at a Pac 12 invite.

    If you want to argue you like independence/WCC better than MWC at least I can buy some of your arguments.

    But to argue you'd prefer independence/WCC over Pac 12 in all sports?

    Who do you think you're fooling?


  • DP742 American Fork, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    And this on a down year! Next season should be even better!!!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 15, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    “BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by supporting it.“

    “The top 3 & 4 out of the top 5 are NOT from the Pac-12?”

    “the PAC12 has [not] been particularly strong for several years at basketball.”

    “Number of programs in the west who aren't in the Pac 12 and wouldn't accept a Pac 12 invite if the Pac 12 called: Zero.”
    Probably true, although maybe not BYU

    “And the jealousy of the Pac 12 continues”
    Uninitiated, unsubstantiated, frantic and emotional call for attention

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 15, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    The Marriott is a great atmosphere to watch a game. Not surprised the least that BYU is at the top out west. They have been 3 years in a row now and they went up compared to last year in numbers. It also helps to have a 20,900 capacity arena. With the recruiting class coming in BYU will stay number one for at least the next 5 years. Can't wait for basketball! BYU football is a tasty appetizer but BYU basketball is the main course for me. GO Cougs!!!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 15, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    As the team continues to get better and better (as it inevitably will with all the talent in the pipeline) the attendance will continue to climb. I love cheering for Lone Peak... I mean Brigham Young University! Go Cougs!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    I don't believe that the PAC12 has been particularly strong for several years at basketball. Its very perplexing considering how dominate Arizona, UCLA and even Utah used to be. That lack of quality play probably has turned off many of the fans.

    Take Utah as an example. They used to be a national fixture during the Majerus years. The Huntsman center (that is the place the basketball team plays in for the Ute fans who don't know) was sold out before the season began, but now seems half empty. The Utes had probably their best team in a decade last year. Not enough Ute fans came back. Its a shame.

    BYU on the other hand had a one-win season in recent memory. The fans endured that painful year, but kept on coming. The team turned the corner. That may be what separates BYU fans from those who profess a certain Crimson Red team. BYU fans always have ahown up. If the other program has to endure a Crowton-esque experience, will they still have people at the games come November?

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Let me see if I get this right.

    The top 3 & 4 out of the top 5 are NOT from the Pac-12?


  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    Apparently they have a very popular product.
    The football team wasn't great last year but they also had very good attendance.
    So did Rugby.
    So did Vollyball.
    So did Women's soccer.
    So did baseball.
    So did most teams.
    And you could see lots of games on a national TV network.
    or on their own HD national channel.

    They must have a very popular product.
    Seems it's the product...not the conference that's important.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    A great time to be a Cougar fan!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    Can't argue with that. Love seeing BYU successful in everything they do. Here's to a good 2013-2014 sports year all around!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Aug. 14, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by supporting it.

    No matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time program.

    Here's to another great season to come!!!