What defines the middle class?

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    A new chart from the Economic Policy Institute, using data from NYU Economist Ed Wolff, shows that more than 80% of the nation’s wealth gains between 1983 and 2009 went to the wealthiest top 5%. The top 1% gained 40% of the nation’s total wealth gain, while the next 4% gained 41.5%.

    Reaganomics really worked well for a very small percentage of Americans and has definitely not worked for the other 95% of Americans. Wake up, trickle down is a wealth redistribution torrent up that never gave back.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 14, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" what country do you live in because it obviously isn't the US. According to Forbes article "Average America vs the One Percent " the top 1% control 43%. You may believe the liberal lie, but the rest of us don't.

    It wasn't Mitt Romney who told us that 47% pay no income taxes. That was the Tax Policy Center that leaked that bit of information onto the world. The ironic thing is that the IRS backs up that statement.

    Does the truth bother you?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 13, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Because of liberals, we have no middle-class.

    You know. Like the ones in Detroit, and California.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    There IS no Middle class.

    There is the 1% who own 80% of everything,
    and there is the 99% of the rest of us who fight over the table scraps.

    Besides - wasn't it Mitt Romney who told us that 47% don't even make enough to pay taxes?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    Hard to feel sympathy for poor people who voted in our corrupt leaders.

    On the trail we're on, the middle class will transform to poverty.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 12, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    To "10CC" what you and your ilk forget is that with freedom you also get responsibility.

    If we cut entitlements, we could cut those in half and still be spending more on entitlements than on the military. It is just how you budget. You start at the biggest expense, and have to ask yourself can it be cut. Can we afford to make the nation defenseless? No.

    Can we afford to tell our kids that they will need to save up their own money for retirement? Yes.

    Can we afford to tell the SNAP and WIC participants that drive nice cars, have expensive cell phone plans, and live in nice areas that they need to cut back on expenses? Yes.

    There are so many entitlement programs out there now that they are beginning to be a huge drain on the system. They must be cut.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Aug. 12, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    There is risk in home ownership. People don't want to buy a house because the market is down. They will wait until the market is up to buy a house. They will buy a house they can't afford that they could have afforded when the market was down and rates were low. The market will crash again. Buy low, sell high - not the other way around.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    Who ever dreams of being middle class?

    I believe we all have better dreams than that.

    Obama is certainly not living like he is middle class. And he is loving off our money.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Ask yourself these questions;

    1. Are you ignored by your elected representatives?

    2. Are your taxes normally the last to be reduced and first to be increased?

    3. Is your job the first to be cut, the last to be restored and never respected?

    4. Do you never see any type of government assistance?

    If you answered yes yes yes and no, you are middle class.

    Any while they may take you home, your car, your family and your dignity, they can never take this away from you.......never mind.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:34 p.m.


    * "25% of the public have no health insurance"--who'se fault is that? Why force others to pay it?
    * Strong defense keeps a country free while supplying jobs.
    * "the park investigates itself?"--better than government investigating itself,--voting on their pay raises, checking out Benghazi, guns to Mexican cartels, IRS conferences, etc.
    * executions? Bin Laden, and an American Ambassador in Libya, Gadaffi, innocent Americans along the Mexican borders, etc.

    Texas is the leading economic state. Please don't pull class warfare, and envy, as has been exemplified by our current leaders.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:55 a.m.


    I'll guess your vision of the way forward is to keep defense spending high, and slash social programs. It sounds a lot like Texas, actually, where corporate regulations are minimal, when a tragedy happens at an amusement park, the park investigates itself, 25% of the public have no health insurance, and executions are so common people don't even notice anymore. Texas, where true freedom involves a washed out rocker mowing down 400 wild hogs from a helicopter, with a machine gun.

    We need to get our fiscal situation improved, unquestionably, but turning the rest of the nation into Texas doesn't sound very appealing.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    Very interesting insight -- because companies have no loyalty to their employees, and we've seen companies lay off workers to bolster stock prices and profits, young workers see that their futures at most companies are short-term and that there's no incentive to plant roots and buy homes since they may have to be flexible in moving at a moment's notice. Sad commentary on our American way of life.

    Homes used to be middle class America's most important asset -- both financially and for raising a family. No wonder more Americans are opting out of having kids -- as noted in another article featured in today's Des News. Moving around from job to job every few years makes it hard to raise a traditional family.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:19 a.m.

    “President Obama has been on the road citing the need for programs that bolster the middle class.”

    The Socialist-in-Chief couldn't care less about the middle class other than using them for class warfare. He wants equality: everyone equally poor, equally impoverished. That's his idea of "fairness."

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Define, and bolster the middle class?

    If our political leaders really really cared,-we wouldn't have a national debt equal to $186,000 for every second of three years.

    Lavish vacations, and conferences would be at a minimum.