Mom kicked out of cafe because of messy kids — social media responds

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  • Tawsha Kitchener, 00
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    Don't know if anyone here knows what a Tim Hortons store is. It is like a Duncan Donuts sort of. Anyways I work at a Tim Hortons and the messes I saw in the summer were from teenagers and adults!!!!! You can teach children till your blue in the face but it doesn't mean they will not have their "messy moments"! I have found that adults make more of a mess sometimes than children do. To the restaurant owner--hope your children are perfectly clean at all times! I don't ever want to see them in a restaurant I may be at. They may make a mess that would offend me! Grow up please and see that with some children it doesn't matter how you are with them they seem to do what they will. Right or wrong they do.

  • amw07e SLC, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    I am not sure that it is wrong to expect people to teach their children to be neat and clean up their messes....when they are cognizant. A one year old and a three year old are just barely developing awareness of the world, and it's doubtful they have any idea what a "scone" is yet or why freshly cleaned carpets matter. Can you blame a child -a small child at that- for making a mess, being a little grubby, dropping some crumbs on the floor? Really? I make messes and spill things literally every day and no one ask me to leave my table at the restaurant when it happens. Because that would be insanely discourteous, and I would refuse to pay or ever return. Because we recognize that sometimes even adults have accidents.
    And all of you people who have your noses stuck up in the air like you've never tripped over your own shoelaces or let your dog clean up your spill on the kitchen tile, I hope you never have children because you are going to traumatize them with your cleanliness.

  • grandma12 Henderson, NV
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    This mother thinks she is entitled to let her kids do whatever they want, and the restaurant has to put up with it and the other restaurant patrons should just put up with it.
    We had six kids -- we didn't go out to nice restaurants very often, but our kids knew they had to be on their best behavior. One way to make them act right is to threaten to leave them home with a babysitter the next time they misbehave. We certainly couldn't afford to leave some kids home with a babysitter while the rest of the family goes out: BUT, you only have to do this once and they will all act better the rest of the time.

  • caf Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    If a restaurant does not allow children, fine. If a restaurant does not made that distinction, and the folks who work there or run the place proceed to humiliate a customer with messy children, not fine. It is for the restaurant owners to make the decision and then honor whatever decision they have made.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    gramma b: It wasn't customers complaining it was the owner. The owner made a much too bigger issue by putting it on the internet. My children and grandchildren made messes when we went out. We always left a bigger tip than usual.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    Aug. 13, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    I have no sympathy for parents who think it is alright for their kids to ruin the dining experience of other customers.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    The woman had every right to take her kids out to eat.

  • rinman Kabul, Afghanistan, 00
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    I am deployed and my wife takes our two children to restaurants, but we've taught them how to behave. They sit at the table during the entire meal. They speak quietly. We take them out frequently because it is important that our children know how to behave. It is a question of upbringing and training.

  • Lobotech Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    All of these liberal posters are right. Let the kids act any way they wish. Put in water/spill proof walls, tables, and flooring. Hopefully they will also install sound proof walls. That way they can just take a power washer to the area just vacated.
    No wonder I prefer to eat at home.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Here is my take; I teach my kids to respect people's property, including eating establishments (being clean ect). Most parents I know don't do this. It's relative and open to interpretation though. I am a clean freak and one could argue I don't let me kids just figure out how to eat the right way more on their own.

    My approach aside, here is the thing though. If you are a restaurant that allows kids, then deal with some tables being more messy than others without shaming and condemning certain customers who provide you business. It seems common sense to me. Not all kids are the same and accidents will happen to the best of us.

    As for sending this family away, that should hurt business. If you are worried about your carpet you just cleaned then ditch the carpet. I mean carpet in a restaurant is like carpet in a bathroom. It's an awful idea. But the worst idea is tearing down a Mom and her kids (ages 3 and 1) for that tame picture of a so called 'disasterous mess' posted on facebook. PLEASE!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Jeanie, good for you and your delightful family. I am sure if I ever got a chance to witness your family it would be a delight to behold indeed.

    In fact, I feel like I have missed something in my life not witnessing your delightful family.

    My kids are raised. I go to restaraunts sometimes by myself to read. I like it quiet when I read.

    But you know something? The world ain't all about me. And the world ain't a kid free zone. If I wanted no kids around I would stay at home. Parents have every right to go out with their kids. But a restaraunt is a place where people talk and socialize. Sometimes loudly. A restaraunt sometimes (all the time) has food spilled on the floor. Deal with it if you are the owner of a diner.

    The picture showed hardly any food on the floor. Deal with it.

    And yes, parents should teach their kids manners. But sometimes kids just act up. Especially when they are ONE and THREE.

    You know what I do when I see kids "acting up". Smile at 'em and say hi.

    Get over yourselves.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 5:19 p.m.


    You've never had the pleasure of sitting next to a young family that is well behaved - because they were trained with restaurant manners and managed by their parents? It's deligtful to see.

    Our kids would make a bit of a mess, but I we'd clean it up as it happened rather than let it build up to look like a war zone. When they would get figidgity we would play rhyming or guessing games to keep them distracted and quiet. We would include them in the conversation instead of ignoring them while we ate. It was possible to manage the normal behavior of kids as long as they understood the expectations and we stayed engaged with them.

    We lived in California at the time, not Utah, making our little tribe even more of a novelty.

  • PhotoSponge nampa, ID
    Aug. 10, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    The owner might consider posting a sign: "No children under 5 allowed."
    If you are a restaurant owner, you must expect to have spills on your floor. But you don't have to
    put up with rude patrons, screaming children, or children running around your restaurant.
    When your kids are that young, PLEASE don't take them to restaurants where other patrons
    go there expecting a certain amount of quiet and cleanliness.
    Now before you jump on me, I might add that after 10 children, 35 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren, I know of where I speak.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    "Of course, that was in the 1950's. Society expected parents to discipline their children and no one thought to call child protective services if the parent gave the child a pop on the hind end to drive home the point. "

    Ah yes, DGDENTON from Texas, the glorious 50"s. When no one thought to call child protective services when a parent popped a child on the rear. Of course, was there even a child protective service in the 50's?

    Somehow I don't think so.

    But, even more so, no one would think to interfere in the 50s if a parent beat their children. If a father or mother decided to discipline a child by beating them (you know, really beating them) no one was going to interfere in a family situation. Including the law, the police. In fact if a person decided to beat their spouse no one was going to step in. Or if a husband raped their wife (of course there wasn't even a law that made that illegal) or molest their children, again, no one was going to say a thing.

    Ah yes, the glorious 50s.

  • Utah wannabe Sequim, WA
    Aug. 10, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    I don't think there was any saracsm involved. This is an issue of respect - or lack thereof. The mother should have been paying more attention to what her children were doing. I don't like having these kinds of people in my home, why should a restaurant owner want them in her restaurant?? It isn't about whether they were paying customers - it's about respect.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Wow. It is amazing how many perfect parents with perfect kids who never make a peep and sit perfectly quiet with perfect table manners (even at one and three years of age) we have commenting on this board. It is even more amazing how many of these comments from these perfect parents with perfect kids with perfect manners and perfectly quiet dispositions are from Utah.

    It's amazing we have coments from people with huge families, with cousins too numerous to count, and every single child is well behaved and an example that all others should learn from. Every child a perfect model of what should be expected of all other children. Never a cranky or bored or ants in the pants (as my grandmother, very patient grandmother, used to say) child to be seen. All children being raised by perfect parents. And we have comments from Fathers whose perfect children never ever (Never! I tell you! Tah Dah!) made a mess. Never! And we have parents here who always remove their children the second they make a peep; their children never, ever, bothering others.

    It's pleasant being among such perfect people.

  • DGDENTON Gainesville, TX
    Aug. 10, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    When my single Mom saw unruly children in public, she would say "No one loves those children enough to teach them right from wrong". I agree. Of course, that was in the 1950's. Society expected parents to discipline their children and no one thought to call child protective services if the parent gave the child a pop on the hind end to drive home the point. Our obsession with tolerating uncivil behavior has resulted in vulgar language and crudeness in our society. We have no one to blame, but ourselves. Self-discipline is taught just like anything else with practice and correction. Too many adults today don't have enough self- discipline to hold down a menial job. And we wonder why we have self-centred adults who don't know how to parent. I'm taking the side of the restaurant owner. If the military wife had not gone to the media, she would not have been embarrassed. She is the responsible party in this scenario. She better start learning how to parent now. The consequences for unruly behavior won't be so easy to resolve when these boys are 16 and 14 years old.

  • UtahnInCA Tustin, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    Both parties are at fault here:

    *Yes, kids make a mess. But just because you're PAYING (as several of you are fond of saying), it doesn't give you RIGHTS to do whatever you want. Even as a (temporarily) single mom, Poole should still teach her children (especially at age 3 - at least a 1-year-old has an excuse).

    * McDuff is self-proclaimed "sarcastic and snarky." What in the world is she doing with a job in a service industry??? I may have snarky moments, but as a Customer Service manager, I would *NEVER* put it that way to a paying guest - and I would *definitely* not post it on social media!!! McDuff needs to find a quiet office job where she doesn't have to deal with the public.

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Sitting at a Panera Bread patio, soft breeze and music. Sweet young family eating across from us. Newborn in tow, 2 year old eating quietly and happily... It can be done.

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    CB said it all! Everyone w/be happy with the fee/deposit concept, except the abusers. Problem solved.

    When you open up a business, let us know!

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @AmericanMan --- Where were you when your kids were oh say about 6 months to 3 years of age? You apparently missed the spills and the joyous partying when *some* of the food actually got into the mouth.

    Yes, teaching manners and proper behavior is good --- but there is not a whole lot that you can do about fine motor control development, other than allowing/ encouraging practice.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    CS Lewis commented that every generation 'Barbarians" come into the world and need to be
    civilized. In any public place, restaurants, churches, concerts, movies, etc. children that
    are being unruly should be removed by the parent and dealt with.
    Restaurants are held to certain health codes that need to be maintained. In other place, silence is required for others to enjoy what they have, in some cases, paid to attend.
    Going to a restaurant was a special treat for our 5 children but also living in a home that was
    clean and orderly was too. Children wild at home, will be so elsewhere.
    Renters are required to pay fee to ensure that when they leave their rental, it will be in the same condition it was when they moved in.
    If a restaurant added a fee for each child, to be refunded if it was left reasonably clean when they leave, perhaps parents would be more responsible for their children behavior. (that fee should go to those who have to clean up after them.) In the end, those unwilling to abide with
    good behavior in a business, should be invited not to return, for the sake of paying customers.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Might've given her time to clean up and leave a tip before condemning her. I'm sure the Mona Lisa didn't look all that great before it was finished.

  • Jillian West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    I haven't read the comments on this article BUT back in the day . . . Children need to be taught to respect the property of others! Eating out is a privilege NOT a RIGHT. Mothers who do not teach AND let children clean up after themselves will have bigger messes later. Guaranteed. Shame on the whiners!

  • Christmas Carole LAS CRUCES, NM
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    My thoughts are if the cafe owner's intolerant attitude is soooo excessive she should post a sign that indicates adults only(or extremely factious adults only!). I'm "over the hill" and headed up the other side of the mountain and (TRY as hard as I do) I STILL drop some things! I would be nervous to eat there after reading this article. I DO feel that many parents in the younger generation really do need to take more care with manners at home and in public. If the children WERE stomping on the crumbs and jumping up and down as mentioned then she should have quietly whispered to the mom(or at least talked softly) to please keep the kids a bit calmer. She has to be extreme in that she was completely intolerant and excessive with the posting of the pic and the way she handled it.
    As far as the Timothy Clemmer comment: Doesn't sound like an adult comment. Sounds a bit like a spoiled brat not grown up!

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    I think a one year old child should not be taken into a restaurant. A child of that age cannot be expected not to fuss or not to make a mess, so give them a few years to learn some language so you are able to instruct them in basic social behavior such as not throwing food or screaming. The mess pictured was not so bad but it seems there were other issues.

    It is ridiculous to expect everyone to put up with any and all behavior by little people and a restaurant owner has a right to eject a customer in the interest of other customers.

    It is a symptom of a much bigger problem. Older children are often out of control and certain parents do not check them and expect others to tolerate it. Some people think they are being protective of children to not permit anyone to complain about unruly behavior in those old enough to know better. You cannot even say anything "negative" about children as this is reckoned by extremists to be detrimental to a child's "self image"; you do children, and their "self images", no favors by this course.

  • annewandering oakley, idaho
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Carpet in a cafe seems to be a bad idea to me. If my kids misbehaved in public we left. We always left a larger tip if we had our kids with us. I certainly hope the carpets were cleaned. In fact I would hope for healths sake they are cleaned regularly and often. Seems to me a little common sense on both ladies part would have gone a long way towards preventing this incident. No carpet and kids taken out by parent if they are misbehaving/creating a horrible mess. (I have seen lots worse messes by adults) Dont forget a little Christian charity to others from both sides.

  • arand Huntsville, u
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    I think some parents kind of forget they are responsible for the mess their kids make. I don't see a problem with refusing service.

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    When my kids were little, if they made a mess, the adults cleaned it up. As parents, our test was if we wouldn't leave our own kitchen table like this then we wouldn't leave a restaurant like this. Funny story: there was five years between my kids so when my son was one or two and we would go to a restaurant, his 5 year old big sister would pick up any mess he made. Good big sister!

  • Vince Ballard South Ogden, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Any establishment, especially an informal restaurant, must carefully weigh the consequences of expelling a customer. Having seen my share of misbehaving kids in restaurants, I can only imagine what was going on. Maybe mom should reevaluate her child rearing and disciplinary standards. Oh yes, they did accept her money, but they have perfect right to refund her money and expel her NOW, or NOT to do business with her in the future. That is their right.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    I have a feeling that we are not getting the full story here. Most likely both sides have been embellished. I have witnessed unruly children in restaurants myself. I also have witnessed very well behaved children. I have on occasion asked to be moved because of unruly, noisy, and obnoxious children. I have left restaurants where the management or owner did not care what children were allowed to do. We all have choices, sometimes we just have to move on. Perhaps it is time for this mother and restaurant to both move on.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    ImaUteFan, then I'll say it. ALL kids make messes. ALL kids.

    American Man I guarantee if you ask your wife she will say the kids made messes growing up.

    For those saying parents should not take kids into this restaraunt: the place is a diner, fer crying out loud, it ain't no five star restaraunt.

    And the kids are one and three? And that's ALL the mess they made?! That's it? A few crumbs on the floor? Heck, I make a bigger mess then that!

    I hope that owner's business fails, and fast. To go on Facebook and post about your costumers like that? Truly a business owner that doesn't want to be in business. If I lived in that area I would go into that restaraunt exactly one time: to tell the owner I will never set foot in her business again. Life is too short to give money to childish business owners.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    I have witnessed out of control kids at restaurants. More often than not, it is not due to the child's age but rather to poor parenting. If you are a guest at a restaurant, then you should keep your children under control. You are paying for a meal, not to make a mess and disrupt the meals of other patrons. If this woman was embarrassed, it should be by her own poor parenting, not because she was asked to leave!

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    I say congrats to Rainy! She's my kinda owner. Put a BIG sign out front and save all polite customers and future business:
    "All considerate customers welcome. The rest of y'all, visit next door." Then all the inconsiderate, whiners, easily offended are free to dine together.

    I'm a mother of 5, oldest of 6, lost count of all the cousins on both sides of our huge, loving family. Family reunions are glorious, with chilluns running everywhere and we all have a fab time. No one corrects other children because we were all raised to be courteous. We excuse the toddlers and lovingly help the growing ones learn responsibility. Had any (yes, read "any") of my relatives' kids made that mess, they would have cleaned it up and/or gone to the management and apologized.

    Same rules apply at family camp outs. Those more inclined to messiness naturally realize that the other sites are more fun when clean and organized, and they soon adjust. They don't need to be belittled.

    My sign would read: "Cleanliness is next to You know Who. Be careful. He may visit any time."

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Aug. 10, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    The customers who were not a part of the messy family paid a price just in being there. The owner had to choose between tolerance of one customer-set verses the ambience for the rest of the customers. The restaurant owner sided with the majority.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Come on people, this was a cafe, not a 4-star place. If they just paid for a carpet cleaning then they must have been dirty in the first place. If you have to clean the carpet all the time, why don't you get a nice tile ir wood floor? I think this place just lost a bunch of business.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Aug. 10, 2013 5:01 a.m.

    Kids are not the problem. It is parents who seem to refuse to impose any kind of discipline. They let them run wild without any admonishment at all. I see this far too often. When I was a kid, I don't recall ever seeing this kind of thing.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 3:00 a.m.

    Nothing I have read justifies any behavior by the restaurant owner.

    1. Unless you are a private club that bars children, suck it up.
    2. Adults make messes too, suck it up
    3. The restaurant business is full of messes, suck it up
    4. Posting about it on social media is bad form and shows lack of class, suck it up
    5. Embarrassing the woman in front of other customers is bad form, suck it up.

  • rj Moss, Norway
    Aug. 10, 2013 1:13 a.m.

    This looks like a case of lack of respect and insight on both parties' accounts. The shop owner could certainly have found a more sensitive way of informing her patrons of their misbehavior. At the same time, the mother, as all parents who decide to take their small children out to public places, has a responsibility to train her children to behave courteously so embarrassing incidents like this one can be avoided.

    I have six kids, who I am extremely proud of. They have to become adults sooner or later. My wife and I work hard to make sure they know how they should behave in public. And for that reason I take serious issue with anyone who demands that my children be kept from the public eye simply because they are kids. Moreover I would encourage parents of small children everywhere to get out with the kids in public and have positive experiences outside the home. But for everyone's sake, train them!

  • RosaMaria Laie, HI
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:11 a.m.

    If you don't train your children at home, someone would do it outside. I hope that mom start the training now.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 11:52 p.m.

    Two points:
    1. When we took our large group of little kids out to eat we made sure they understood our expectations of their behavior and we made sure to kept the baby entertained. We knew others were paying money to have a nice dinner and deserved to enjoy it. There were many times as we would walk in to a restaurant with our crew and received despairing looks from other childless patrons only to have them stop by our table and compliment our kids on their good manners. It is not polite to assume your children are more important than everyone else in a restaurant. A restaurant is not your home.
    2. Our sons have been bus boys. Yes they are paid, but not much and they are often understaffed and very busy. A really messy table is inconsiderate and the tip money goes mostly to to waitress, not the poor kid that cleans up your child's mess.

  • kristie_b1 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    ^Are kids are used to eating out (not used to making messes lol). Worried about my wording. :)

  • kristie_b1 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    I still don't understand why any restaurant has carpet on their floor. That's gross. Do you have carpet in your dining room at home?

    You can't except a 1 year old to be neat and tidy when they eat. They don't have the coordination. A 3 year old might be a little messy, but not too bad. There was one time where we ate at a Chinese food restaurant that DID have carpeted floors (yuck btw) and I DID clean up the big mess on the floor that my 1 year old made. But if we were at Chilis where they have tile floors I would have just tipped well and let them sweep it up.

    Part of the reason we go out to eat is that there are waiters and waitresses to wait on us, and people to bus the tables. I would include sweeping under the table as part of that. Our kids are used to it and are RARELY disruptive. When they are we leave.

  • Harrison Lapahie Shiprock, NM
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    If you have a cafe or restaurant, expect spills, because it happens at every eating establishment! You paid $50 to get the spill cleaned on the carpet. Clean it yourself! Wipe it, or get a spot remover at Home Depot and clean it. It's not difficult!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    If you can't take the heat, get out of the food business. It is a pic of some crumbs, suck it up restaurant owner.

  • E.S Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Shame on you who suggested that parents should take kids to "Wendy's". Come on, people - we, parents, have the right to go anywhere we want. WE ARE PAYING! If you don't pay my bill, don't tell me where I should go with my kids. I believe it is true that there are more kids friendly environments - still I also believe I should spend my whole life just taking my family to certain fast-food places.

    Indeed, the bottom line here that some parents do not teach their children to clean after themselves. I worked for many restaurants before, including at Temple Square Hospitality, and have noticed that many parents actually make more mess than their children.

    That lady does have the right to refuse service to anyone she wants, but she was rude, especially because she probably didn't even clean it, someone who works for her did.

  • BarkforSark PROVO, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    I listened to an interview with this lady on the Dori Monson show in Seattle and she seemed quite reasonable. These kids weren't just dropping crumbs on the floor and screaming, they were stomping around and squashing the crumbs into the floor. And she was in the middle of a business meeting in the back when it had all started so she had to cut her meeting short because of it. Plus, nobody would have even known who the customer was if she hadn't gone blabbing to the media. This is just another example of someone expecting to be able to do whatever she wants regardless of how it affects other people and then playing the victim card when they fight back. I feel no sympathy for her at all. I do, however, feel sympathy for her kids that they are quite likely going to grow up not learning the importance of personal accountability. Such a shame.

  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    @ImaUteFan: I am sorry, but you did say "All kids make messes". Go back and read your first comment. Messes are done by throwing food on the floor. My kids never did that.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    Wow, our society is now anti-children. We expect sterile, clean surfaces everywhere and if a "contaminated" child enters a restaurant where the "adult" people are eating, then we must now kick the kids out.

    I can't believe this. We have some serious problems as a society and its not the kids.

    How about this: if you are an adult that doesn't like kids being noisy or messy, stay home in your quiet, clean house!

    If you are like this manager in the coffee shop, get a different job where you won't have to interact with children. Maybe a liquor store or something would be better suited for you.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    1 and 3 year olds, I'm surprised that there are not more crumbs on the floor. I don't see that they made such a mess. The owner may have been particularly sensitive since she had recently paid to have the carpet cleaned. I suppose this is why most restaurants have linoleum or tile flooring, food gets spilled.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    @AmericanMan - you misquoted me. I did not say "ALL kids make messes."

    I agree with Melanna. At some point in their lives, one of your kids made a mess. To say otherwise is simply denial.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    The fact that her husband is deployed has nothing to do with this... That is unless it has been shown that children with deployed fathers are poorly disciplined and out of control, which I doubt.

    Some parents just get so used to the inappropriate behavior of their children (even in public) that they are surprised when they are actually called out on it.

    Bottom line: Deployed husband has nothing to do with it, dine at wendy's.

    Aug. 9, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    Teach your kids to behave in public and respect those around them. I don't think that is too much to ask. This lady has a difficult time as an essentially single mom but I have a widowed daughter with five children and I have never seen them behave this poorly in a public place.

    I is also disrespectful of the other restaurant guests to have this kind of behavior from children. They are paying for a meal, good service, and an pleasant eating environment. Your children don't trump that fact.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    Parents let kids get away with deplorable behaviour in public. I'd love to see more of 'em punted.

  • Melanna Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    My child (and myself, on occasion) has made messes at restaurants and in other public places. It happens - especially when children are small.

    My child would help clean up the table and floor before we left and I would always leave extra in the tip to make up for the extra work.

    If you don't want people to make a mess in your place of business, don't own a restaurant.

    @ American man: Really? Your children never, ever, ever made a mess? Not anywhere? Would your wife agree with that assessment?

  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    @ ImaUteFan: I take exception to your remark That "All kids make messes". My wife and I raiser three Happy kids and they didn't make messes. We taught them good manners and expected them to conform.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Bottom line: If your kids are prone to be messy and throw food around, go to a kid-friendly restaurant like McDonalds or Wendys. I feel for the restaurant owner. She has a right to expect courteous customers even if the woman's husband was deployed. I appreciate his service. Please give the same appreciation to businesses who require good manners and civilly for each and every one of us.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    To Timothy Clemmer who was quoted in the article:

    I suppose you were born an adult, right? Before you made your hateful comment about children, did you happen to think that anyone ever changed your diaper, wiped your nose or cleaned up the messes YOU made as a child?

    What a selfish, ridiculous comment to make. Kids make messes, deal with it.