Sens. Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee support N.Y. town praying at public meetings

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  • Zaruski SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    ...I'm not religious but...doesn't the bible say that when you want to pray, you go into your room, and close the door?

    If you are going thump the bible, maybe you should give it a read first?

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    The absence of belief is not a belief.

    Saying such things is equivalent to saying that matter and the absence of matter (not to be confused with anti-matter) are both matter.

    Such arguments lack any credibility.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    @There you go again.

    I do sympathize with those complaining of moderators, at least, those who seem to have their own agendas.

    I could not get a post displayed recently, apparently because it suggested that, when you are having a competition indexing family names, this might result in hasty, inaccurate indexing and everyone using the index would suffer for years on end.

    I even had the gall to suggest that the teens being asked to do this indexing should be instructed, and initially checked carefully as not all teens are good at alphnumeric filing, and that it would be better to take one's time and to see the job is done properly than to create an atmosphere of rivalry and haste.

    I had more to say but why bother? No reasonable person minds moderation that is fair and according to stated rules but private agendas restrict the potential benefits of a public forum in the presentation and consideration of important issues.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    @ sid 6.7: What is really interesting, if you have ever been to one of these public meetings where prayer is said (including opening day of the Utah Legislature), the ones not paying attention and walking out of the room, are the ones who claim the most to believe it and insist it needs to be there.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    @A Scientist

    Atheism is NOT the absence of belief.

    It is just the belief in something else other than God.

    But that is irrelevant,

    Because regardless of belief you have a right to the public square,

    IF is government of the people not of the federal government, not of atheists or secularists, or of the irreligious.

    Religious people have a right to the public square, and as Jefferson wanted, the government should and must butt out.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    It's lovely that prayer is so important to them..
    However, is it possible they could work on some other important and relevant legislation once in a while?

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    I can't wait to see Lost in DC's reaction when satanic cults in West Jordan want their turn to pray.

    Be honest: what you call praying in public meetings and schools is actually "preying" on captive audiences.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    Lost in DC wrote: "by denying prayer at the public meetings, courts have ESTASBLISHED atheism as the official state church."

    Let's see, BYU begins home sporting events with a public prayer, and the U. doesn't. So Lost in DC believes that atheism is the official religion at the U.?

    Have courts outlawed prayers while ruling that atheists may stand up at the start of public meetings and do a chant or something? Of course not. No elected officials would permit such a thing. Courts clearly have not established atheism as the official state church.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    by denying prayer at the public meetings, courts have ESTASBLISHED atheism as the official state church. I guess you missed the "or deny the expression thereof" clause of the 1st amendment.

    Jefferson wrote the first freedom of religion statutes in this hemishere to ensure no religion was DENIED access to the public square, not to keep ALL religion out of the public square.

    there you go,
    sure, in Westboro

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    My first comment was denied by the DN moderator.

    According to the logic of lee and hatch, Westboro Baptist Church should be allowed to pray at public meetings.

  • Ted Haeger PARK CITY, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    Senator Hatch and his comrades are wrong on this issue.

    The case ruling upholds an important principle of freedom. Denying a citizen-lead prayer before town hall meetings denies no one their right to believe as they wish, nor to pray privately before the town hall meetings. However, sanctioned prayer before a government meeting infringes on the freedom non-religious people like me see, and religious minorities who are not represented by the town's Christian majority. At the very least, non-religious people like me see it as a waste of government time (and, therefore money). More important, it conveys that there is a separation between majority and non-majority community members that the government serves. Are non-religious people like me or religious minorities not first class constituents? There is no place for that in government.

    Keeping government a non-religious function ensures that all of our freedoms and equality under the law. The case ruling upholds freedom rather than limiting it.


  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    Prayer is where people ask for wisdom and express thankfulness of blessings either of which helps bring wisdom and blessings. Given mismanagement and sub optimal management at all levels of government, we ought to encourage, not discourage prayer in government.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    I'm fine with both Senators signing the letter, But what I would really like them to do something about the rash of robo calls. You know the ones that start like "Hello I am Healther from Credit Card Services. We would like to lower rate you pay on your credit card balance."

    I am on the Do Not Call list and I get so tired of all the sales calls that I receive.

    If they are not to busy I would like them to put some teeth and consequences in to the Do Not Call list and financially impact those who choose to ignore it.

    I guess they are to busy on other weighter matters.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    @sid 6.7

    It's called freedom of expression, and freedom of religion.

    Religion does have a public component. And has every right to be in the public square.

    It is government by and of the people, not the federal government or the only the irreligious.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    Why has this issue with Prayer become such a hot item recently?

    Why do we have to pray any where other than Church or in your home?

    If people do pray before a meeting or such if you don't believe in it why do you care? Would it be so bad to walk out of the room or not pay attention while the prayer is being conducted? Or how about saying your own Prayer?

    I think it's completely un-necessary to pray before a public meeting or in school but if other people do and that makes them feel better then why would that offend me? If you don't believe in a higher power then you don't believe in Prayer any way. What difference does it make?

    This is so stupid, really it's going to the Supreme Court?

    Their are people dying in American streets folks! We really should stop being so petty and show a little bit of respect on both sides of the coin.