Surprise! BYU is nation's 'stone-cold sober' school once again

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  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    to carman

    "1) BYU does not try to control anyone's behavior"

    So, the honor code doesn't exist?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    The title of the article s/b Surprise?... not Surprise!...

    Aug. 7, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    There's "nothing wrong" with moderate drinking? I agree for the population as a whole, although it's clearly a safer bet to avoid it altogether if you want to avoid drunkenness, alcoholism, and liver problems. But, there certainly is something wrong with it if you have covenanted not to do so. Kudos to the vast majority of BYU students who keep covenants and live by a higher standard.

  • Vincent Mrykalo Provo, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    As to the health benefits of drinking alcohol, you can get all those benefits by drinking grape juice. It is the same thing, only no aging of the juice, and thus no side effects.

  • Christmas Carole LAS CRUCES, NM
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    I can say from first hand experience of a "#" of years ago that the people who attend BYU are overall living extremely high standards "compared to" greatest and most heartfelt concern is for sobriety of pornography. In one article from DN, I read 33% of students in 2007 were experiencing pornography. I am GREATLY concerned that that is higher today. I worry for our future....

  • chuckelder Prairie Grove, AR
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    During college, I shared an apartment with a lifelong friend from my hometown, a member of a fraternity who ridiculed me often because I would not drink. He told me that "moderate" drinking was healthy and I was missing out on a lot of fun. He had been valedictorian of our high school class, graduated from a respected university with a fine degree, quickly secured a good job and promising career, married, and looked to be well on his way to a happy life. We buried him at the age of 50, after he'd spent 30 years in decline, going through 3 marriages and 3 divorces, a succession of lost jobs, alienation from most of his friends and a strained relationship with his one daughter. He spent his last years living unemployed with his parents in our small hometown, passing his final months in a nursing home in the room next to his 82-year old father. He succumbed to severe liver failure and other ill effects brought on by over 30 years of "moderate" drinking.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    There are much better ways to get the health benefits some claim for alcohol! Do the research.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    We need to worry more about the government that continues to take more and more of our freedoms away. THAT is the real problem in this country!

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Huzzah! Let's lift a 32 ounce Mountain Dew and munch of a half a pan of chocolate walnut fudge in celebration of our ability to avoid temptation!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 6, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    It all comes down to what you want. Just like an Olympic athlete who follows a dietary and training regimen to keep themselves in top form for competition, one chooses the discipline that leads where they want to go.

    Discipline comes from the same root as "Discipleship". For me, when I read the Bible and the LDS scriptures, I feel a desire to live a life that is following the Savior and being in a position to lift and serve others, especially my family. It makes sense given that feeling to not party or binge drink, etc. There are many that arrive at that same place by following a particular path of faith and some that get there just listening to their conscience. That inner voice is the only thing that drives me. I too am "switched off" by those that sound too strident and controlling.

    If others live by a different "covenant", that's their choice.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 6, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    @Chris B.

    Come on, you know that ALL organizations have some rules and you join based on whether you want to live by those rules. The LDS church is a very conservative culture but there are definite benefits and we tend to enjoy a great lifestyle in terms of nurturing families, emphasis on education and lifelong learning, and as confirmed by this article - freedom from addiction and the downside of alcohol.

    That said, I agree drinking in moderation is fine and there are many ways to live that can be healthy and fulfilling. I have many friends who have a different lifestyle and way of thinking and we get along great. I'd advise against thinking that others who have a different path in life are necessarily under "mind control" or something sinister. It might be just their choice to roll that way.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 6, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Lastly, it isn't just a matter of whether drinking in moderation is OK. Research shows that the developing adolescent brain -- considered by scientists as the second decade of life -- is more susceptible to long-term damage of alcohol use affecting most particularly the hippocampus -- which plays an important role in consolidating information from short-term memory to long-term memory and spatial navigation -- and the frontal lobes -- generally considered the seat of judgement, motivation, and planning. Now if the adolescents at our colleges and universities were only drinking moderately, the concern would be minimal. Unfortunately, most are binge drinking -- 4 or more consecutive drinks -- which again research demonstrates is even more damaging. In fact, even short term use of alcohol on a binge basis shows critical damage to sensitive brain structures.

    So, what may happen? These Mormon youth will grow up to be cognitively sound while their imbibing peers suffer the long-term health and cognitive effects of their poor choices. Not exactly a laughing matter when we consider the government's insistence that we now pay for health care for everyone.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    To Chris B:

    re: "There is nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation.

    I'd say its much more wrong to try and control adults lives by telling them what to wear, how to cut their hair, facial hair, and where to go to church than to have a few beers on the weekend."

    Another post from a guy with a bee in his bonnet about the LDS Church and/or BYU. Two points:

    1) BYU does not try to control anyone's behavior. Most students choose BYU because they WANT to learn/study in that unique environment. If you don't want that environment, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Neither BYU or 99.99% of the students there care where others choose to go to school.

    2) Alcohol in moderation is possible for some, though many young people in an environment of social/peer pressure and newly found freedom when leaving home find moderating consumption to be difficult if not impossible. And the devastating consequences of alcohol on college campuses around the country are evident to anyone who is aware. The consequences include alcohol toxicity related death, sexual and other assaults, lower academic performance, suicide, addiction, hazings, automobile accidents/deaths, just to name a few.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    The alcohol industry gladly reports that modest heart health benefit of its product. It also completely overlooks the moderate to severe damage alcohol -- even in moderation -- can do to the stomach, intestines, liver, and most critically the brain. The question I pose of those who "drink in moderation" is: why would any reasonably intelligent individual imbibe a known neurotoxin?

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 6, 2013 8:14 a.m.


    In a school with over 30,000 students, there will always be a few who aren't honorable enough to abide by the Honor Code, but they're a small minority. Having attended BYU and Utah for several years, I can tell you from first-hand experience, that by comparison to other schools, including other Utah schools, the number of BYU students who consume alcohol is miniscule.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 6, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    I was in the Army and I agree with Riverton Cougar. Even so, I am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I've never had someone walking up to me with any kind of threatening object to enforce any type of standards taught. I believe the prophet stated "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves." That's been my experience.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 6, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    From the Mayo Clinic website -- the last sentence is the most crucial: Alcohol use is a slippery slope. Moderate drinking can offer some health benefits. But it's easy to drink too heavily, leading to serious health consequences. t sounds like a mixed message: Drinking alcohol may offer some health benefits, especially for your heart. On the other hand, alcohol may increase your risk of health problems and damage your heart.

    So which is it? When it comes to drinking alcohol, the key is doing so only in moderation. Certainly, you don't have to drink any alcohol, and if you currently don't drink, don't start drinking for the possible health benefits. In some cases, it's safest to avoid alcohol entirely — the possible benefits don't outweigh the risks.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 6, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    I have two adult sons (both married with children) currently attending the University of Iowa -- noted in the article as biggest party school. They confirm that "alcohol in moderation" is not what the current crop of U of I students do. Is there alcohol at BYU. Sure. Kids will be stupid (by this I mean they will use poor judgement) no matter where there are. But by comparison to the rest of the country's universities, the flow of alcohol at BYU is barely a drip. And it is because the students choose to forego this "right of passage" idiocy.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    "I'd say its much more wrong to try and control adults lives by telling them what to wear, how to cut their hair, facial hair, and where to go to church than to have a few beers on the weekend."

    If those adults signed up for it, then it is their problem. They tell you what to do in the Army. If you don't like it, then don't sign up for it. But don't mock people in the Army for signing up for it just because you won't.

    Anyway, I graduated from BYU and I did not have to change my lifestyle when I went there. I was already dressing the way they require, shaved everyday, and went to the church they wanted me to go to.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    BYU is a special place. You have to experience it to understand it. Sober students is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Says who?? I know many people who do or have partied, and who also attended BYU. And they told me all kinds of stories about the parties they went to on or near campus. And I believe them, because I've heard it many, many times from a lot of different people. BYU may be quite sober compared to some schools, and good for them, but it's not as sober as people think.

  • GiuseppeG Murray, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    re: Chris B

    Can you convince my CEO of that please? I'm a bit tired of having to comply with the corporate dress and grooming code.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Just keep the milk in moderation. Binge drinking of milk leads to upset stomachs.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    There is nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation.

    I'd say its much more wrong to try and control adults lives by telling them what to wear, how to cut their hair, facial hair, and where to go to church than to have a few beers on the weekend.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Aug. 5, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    As I've heard more than one person say, Provo is about the only college town where the bars--to the extent there are any--close early and the ice cream parlors are open past midnight. (On the other hand, I've always said one can find anything he/she wants at BYU--one just has to look harder for it than in most places.)