Can you live on that? Fast food targeted by minimum wage protests

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  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    This is an undercover socialist argument. If you want to make more money work harder, get more education, make better choices. America is now a lazy entitlement society.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 5, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    I always have to laugh at the people demanding that minimum wages be raised so that people can support a family on that wage level.

    It is great to hear about people like "Logan dropout" who are hard working. That is a great attribute to have, and he is showing that he is a hard worker and is doing all he can for his family. However, that is only part of the equation. You can be the hardest worker at a business, but unless you have some skill or can fulfill a special need that the company has, you won't get more than minimum wage.

    This goes back to supply and demand. How many hard working people are there that are willing to work for minimum wage? If "Logan dropout" quit, I am sure that the manager where he works could hire an equally hard working person the next day.

    Now, for you liberals out there, answer this: If US manufacturing jobs are going overseas where labor is cheaper, what do you think will happen when you make labor even more expensive?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    I think it is in their right for workers of these fast food chains to organize and perhaps strike. If it proves to bring fruits for their cause then the market has spoken.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 4, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    @toosmart Re: Get this and get it right: Minimum Wage is for Minimum Work by Minimum Qualified Employees. Selling and making Fast Food is a Minimum Job and will only ever be worth a Minimum Wage.

    This statement is patently false on many levels and get this and get this right, you know it.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Aug. 4, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Economic illiteracy at its best. You cannot legislate wealth. If we could, why not make the minimum wage $1000 an hour. We can all be rich!

  • Denverite Centennial, CO
    Aug. 3, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    Only a Democrat would think that a minimum-wage job anywhere, in any industry, ever, is intended to be something you can make an actual career out of. Such people have no business sense whatsoever and shouldn't be put in any position of authority.

    I lived in a lower-class environment growing up and had more than one of those jobs in my formative years. At no point did I--nor any of my friends in the same situation--ever think (or even seriously consider) that we would make careers out of not advancing at any of those jobs.

    If you really can't find a job that pays better anywhere else in 90% of the US, even in Obama's economy right now, then you're just not trying very hard in one or more aspects of your life--and instead of complaining about this, you should start trying harder.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Re: "Business should be able to set any wage they want to make their business successful. The law of supply and demand will determine those wages."

    As banker Sanjay Sanghoee wrote on "The Huffington Post": "That would be fine except for the reality that wages for low skilled workers are not determined by fairness but by the desire of businesses to maximize profit, and that workers are not livestock or grain whose worth should be measured solely in terms of supply and demand."

    It is a bad joke that the best way to help low-income workers is to pay them even less.

    Jesus said, "In everything, treat others as you would want them to treat you, for this fulfills the law and the prophets." How would you like to be treated as an employee? Would you like to be treated as a commodity like livestock or grain and paid as little as possible, or would you like to be treated like a human being and paid a living wage? Or even though Jesus said "in everything," can't we look at things that way, because business is business and church is church and never the twain shall meet?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Our political leaders sit back and laugh at us, while we argue with each other. Let's just keep paying for their vacations, conferences, and whatever else they're worthy of getting.

    We just can't figure this out. Can we?

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Aug. 3, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    We TeaPublicans know that government should NOT set wage requirements on private enterprise! America IS a free market economy . Business should be able to set any wage they want to make their business successful. The law of supply and demand will determine those wages. We don’t believe in redistributing the wealth. We earn what the market tells us we are worth! If you don’t like that you could always do the alternative….do nothing and earn nothing. How does a wage of 0.00 per hour sound to you? Oh wait a minute, we already have a lot of those kind of people doing that already. Now tell me, just what part of living in America don’t some of you people understand? This IS capitalism…which was what America was built on. If you don’t like it, then leave it for some socialist country. I tell you, when we TeaPublicans take back our America in 2014 and 2016, we ARE going to take back that minimum wage law too! “P n P” in 2016…yes it is going to happen. Perry N Palin in 2016!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    JoeBlow-You can blame Obama for pitting people against people.

    Who has more wealth? Romney or Obama? And who is portrayed as a greedy rich man?

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Aug. 3, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    Joe5 re: 10:05 post. Very astute observation and well said.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Logan dropout: If I were a business owner and read your story I'd hire you on the spot for a higher wage. Unfortunately, the liberals and many Republicans want to keep you right where you are. Just keep your mouth shut and accept that you need all those government programs to 'help' you (In other words, stay poor). It doesn't matter whether you are a high school dropout or a harvard grad, this country traditionally has been a place where you could succeed, whether you went to school or not. Minimum wage laws and government programs are there to keep you poor. I'm looking more for people like you that are searching for how to get the job done and need government out of your way. I'm going to pray for you and hope for you. Don't wait on government to help you. Do the best you can and keep it up. P.S. One of my best friends from high school (Logan High) with only a high school diploma (barely) has done very well. Inch by inch, year by year, he has done very well,better than my bachelors, masters, and administrator's endorsement!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Minimum wage laws should be eliminated. The Democrats and Republicans love minimum wage laws because it keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. Wake up! All those business owners love minimum wage laws and the Democratic liberals can 'talk' about how much they care for the poor. It's too bad that basic economics and principles that truly help the poor aren't understood by people on the left and the right. Too bad, there are a lot of good regular folks that could make something of themselves if more liberals and Republicans understood real charity.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 3, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    I love the comments by the few who frequent here to prove just how much better they are then the so called 47 percenters they like to feel superior to... the comments are often filled with disdain for those whom they judge to be lazy and unworthy - at least compared to themselves.

    I do find this "issue' a bit odd. Like many, during high school I worked fast food. At that time, other than managers, everyone who worked in the store I worked was within my same age group. No one but managers were trying to support a family by working there. I have even known some ladies in my wards that have taken day time shifts to augment family needs like college funds and missions. I don't understand the mentality of anyone thinking working the line at McDonalds should be a career that provides a living wage. I don't think those jobs were ever intended or advertised to be jobs to support a family.

    These people took these jobs knowing what they were getting. To turn around and try to transform these jobs into anything else is foolish.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    In this economy, no one can "work their way through college" at a minimum wage job. Just do the math. Every cent you earn would be taken up by rent, leaving NOTHING for tuition, books,transportation, not to mention food or clothing. 40 years ago I could do it, and did it, just working 4 hours a day. But that was when wages and expenses weren't so asymmetrical. Not true anymore.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    The problem is you go to school to learn how to be a good employee. There's no school for good business owners that create the jobs everyone else is whining for. The economy we have right now is what you get when theres too many bean counters, and not enough beans.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 3, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    "You really aren't naïve enough to believe raising the minimum wage will improve the ratio"

    No, I dont. And I didnt say that it would.

    I find that the first order of business is to admit that there is a problem. Only then could it be dealt with.

    Many many people see no problem with the steady, upward movement of this countries wealth, or the rising cost of health care. Either that, or they wont admit it.

    I dont believe that it is the Govts place to cap CEO wages (could you imagine the outcry?). Until the masses (ie stockholders) get fed up with it, it wont change.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Something for nothing mentality:

    * students not earning it,-- get passing grades
    * Obama phones
    * food stamps
    * etc

    Takes a half hour learning to work at fast food, compared to years for a dentist. We have the choice to succeed. Some lack the will, and grit to do it, than wants the same pay.

    Compare to a classroom. Why should those with low grades get the same rewards as the honor roll students? Same teachers, books, instruction, etc.

    Fast food employment, is a great way of working through college.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    JoeBlow: You really aren't naïve enough to believe raising the minimum wage will improve the ratio between CEOs and employees, are you? It never has before. Greed is still greed. Companies will raise prices before they start taking wages from CEOs

    To solve the problem you bring up, we need to establish a maximum wage. After all, CEOs are also paid employees. If we have a national maximum wage, the very wealthy would be company owners, not CEOs (and, depending on how it is enacted, perhaps not professional athletes or entertainers). That would incentivize people to establish businesses, create jobs, and revitalize the economy. It would lower prices (by lopping off the huge salaries and bonuses paid to corporate executives). It would make America more competitive in the global marketplace. It would, in essence, do the opposite of minimum wage (which is raise prices and make America less competitive).

    However, there is the moral, legal, and ethical dilemma of whether that falls into the purview of government; the exact same dilemma we should be asking ourselves about minimum wage standards.

  • Random Redlands, CA
    Aug. 3, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage, simply a minimum wage. Even when I first started working as a teenager, I got minimum, then a few months later, a raise. To continue to raise the minimum wage ($15? Are you kidding?) only means that there will be no motivation to find something else, or work harder to get a raise.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    We have forgotten that the United States is supposed to be a free market economy.
    These workers have a right to demand more money. The burger chains will decide if they are worth it. At will employment means they can fire the demanding worker for no reason at all.
    Fine so far.
    Enter the government. Regulations, mandatory wage scales, mandatory benefits, job protections for strikers. Gone is the free market.
    Now, the answer for some of you is government-owned fast food restaurants. Uniform pay and benefits. Probably an employee union.
    Who wants to buy their burgers from the IRS? or the DMV?
    How's that Postal Service model working out for you?
    And don't even get me started on the push to inject illegal alien workers into the low-skilled workforce. That's just plain foolish.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    They can raise the minimum wage for fast food workers as high as they want as far as I'm concerned. I quit eating fast foods a long time ago because of the cost. If I get two sandwiches at Arby's with fries and a drink, it will cost me over $10. I can enjoy a much better meal for just a couple dollars more at Chili's, Applebee's, Red Robin, just about any Mexican or Chinese restaurant, any buffet, and others. Those have become my low cost dining options.

    So raise the wages, run those blights on our scenery out of business, and let their employees go find real jobs.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    The fast food industry is one of our few growth industries left. So naturally the Dems.and unions feel obliged to destroy it, as they have manufacturing.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    This plan would turn every city in the nation onto another Detroit. Brilliant.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 3, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    Significanly increasing the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be very good for the U.S. in the long term if the cost of cheap bad (for peoples health) food significantly increases also.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Minimum wage is irrelevant and so is education, a popular argument to demean the merit and worth of anyone working for a wage. FYI, many college graduates are working for minimum wage and that refutes education to gainful employment in jobs that does not exist.

    Yes, riots, strikes, and demands are the only means that anyone working for a business has to become prosperous. It doesn't matter that these workers are doing, all have worth and its their choice to decide their worth, business or governmnent does not have the right to deny them a their value.

    The generations after the post war educated americans of the 1940 and 50's who were the masterminds of prosperity and individual wealth, were brainwashed by the collaboration of government and business to decry unions as responsible for US corporation deserting this country by the NAFTA treaty.

    Its going to take organized labor and more than 4 times minimum wages to bring this country out of its strife. In the US there are no jobs that manufacture or create for global distribution.

    Small business is temporary line of credit debts employing one.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 3, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    30 years ago, CEO's made 30 times what their average employee made.

    Today, it is around 300 times.

    I sincerely doubt that CEO's have become that much more productive compared to their workforce.

    It is a fact that the wealth in this country is steadily collecting at the top.


    1) why do you think that is happening?
    2) is it good for America

    Answer those questions and then we can talk.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 6:09 a.m.

    Here's an idea, if you want more money, get a job that pays more.

  • LRenayHawk La Vegrne, TN
    Aug. 3, 2013 3:48 a.m.

    A LIVING wage is needed. A person can barely survive on a MINIMUM wage paycheck - nevermind a family. With items like milk going up to $4 or even $5 a gallon and other staples going up in price as well one would need two full time jobs to pay for rent, utilities, food and clothing. Also teaching people how to save and spend their money wisely is something needs to be looked into and developed.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:51 a.m.

    Get this and get it right: Minimum Wage is for Minimum Work by Minimum Qualified Employees. Selling and making Fast Food is a Minimum Job and will only ever be worth a Minimum Wage.

    If you want better wages, get BETTER qualified to do something of value!!

    By inflating the wage, you'll upset the economic apple cart and thousands of employed persons that depend upon Minimum Wages (like students getting a summer job) will be unemployed and the prices will climb to where the businesses will literally not be able to keep their doors open for lack of customers. Watch it happen!!

  • dropout Logan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:48 a.m.


    I'm a 26 yo high school drop out that earned his GED his junior year, left school for a full time well paying job. Last year I was forced to quit my better paying job due to my hours being slashed down from fulltime to 5 hrs a week. I am married and at the time my wife was pregnant. I now work in the restaurant industry, I am supporting my family on minimum wage and freelance work, I am never late, and have more working experience than my managers. My hours were just cut again down to 12 hours a week. Newsflash, its not about your years of experience, your education, your work ethic. I compete for work everyday against high school kids that still live with their parents but want to save up money for a car, meanwhile I cant afford my car and still feed my family. But it costs less for my boss to have a minimum wage worker than for them to have a reliable hardworking experienced worker that needs more to live. I'm not lazy, I just want to feed my daughter.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:20 a.m.

    Workers are paid so little that in many cases they still are eligible for food stamps. Walmart uses this trick well, pay little wages, let the gov't pay for food stamps, then have the workers use their food stamps at Walmart. Works perfectly for the company while everyone else suffers.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    This is like a classroom, and the low graders wanting the same as the honor roll students.

    Combo meals $49.00.

  • George New York, NY
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:52 p.m.


    And of course by implying the people that make mimum or low wages are high school drop outs and drug users does nothing to stoke the fires off class warfare right?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    More stoking the flames of class warfare by the envious and covetous left.

    First, if someone wants a higher paying job than entry level work at Burger Doodle, then they need to do a few things to make themselves employable:
    Finish high school, stay off of drugs, and don't have children unless you are married and can afford them.
    Then, after getting a minimum wage entry level job- show up on time, work hard, and learn how to do a better paying job. Find a better job.

    Blaming employers for low wages or suggesting a minimum wage of any sort ignores the reality of the free market where people get paid what they are worth to the employer. Demand too much, and the will be no job, or the product price will have to be raised so that it becomes unaffordable and the company fails. Count the costs of government imposed benefits and taxes.

    Why not make the minimum $50 per hour so everyone can eat steak, and live in a mansion? And, start your own company to pay these high wages!

    The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    This has to be the most unrealistic plan I've yet seen. I can support a 2 tiered minium wage where 16-17 year olds are paid $8/hour and a next tier up where after one is age 18 it goes to $11/hour. But Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont is no independent since he usually caucuses with the Democrats, but truth be told he is a self proclaimed Socialist who beleives in nationalization of industry. He is left-winged radical far left he's left the country as Ronald Reagan would say. The working poor are an issue I agree, but this level of extremity is no way to accomplish making any progress.