This is an undercover socialist argument. If you want to make more money work
harder, get more education, make better choices. America is now a lazy
I always have to laugh at the people demanding that minimum wages be raised so
that people can support a family on that wage level.It is great to
hear about people like "Logan dropout" who are hard working. That is a
great attribute to have, and he is showing that he is a hard worker and is doing
all he can for his family. However, that is only part of the equation. You can
be the hardest worker at a business, but unless you have some skill or can
fulfill a special need that the company has, you won't get more than
minimum wage.This goes back to supply and demand. How many hard
working people are there that are willing to work for minimum wage? If
"Logan dropout" quit, I am sure that the manager where he works could
hire an equally hard working person the next day.Now, for you
liberals out there, answer this: If US manufacturing jobs are going overseas
where labor is cheaper, what do you think will happen when you make labor even
I think it is in their right for workers of these fast food chains to organize
and perhaps strike. If it proves to bring fruits for their cause then the
market has spoken.
@toosmart Re: Get this and get it right: Minimum Wage is for Minimum Work by
Minimum Qualified Employees. Selling and making Fast Food is a Minimum Job and
will only ever be worth a Minimum Wage. This statement is patently
false on many levels and get this and get this right, you know it.
Economic illiteracy at its best. You cannot legislate wealth. If we could, why
not make the minimum wage $1000 an hour. We can all be rich!
Only a Democrat would think that a minimum-wage job anywhere, in any industry,
ever, is intended to be something you can make an actual career out of. Such
people have no business sense whatsoever and shouldn't be put in any
position of authority.I lived in a lower-class environment growing
up and had more than one of those jobs in my formative years. At no point did
I--nor any of my friends in the same situation--ever think (or even seriously
consider) that we would make careers out of not advancing at any of those
jobs.If you really can't find a job that pays better anywhere
else in 90% of the US, even in Obama's economy right now, then you're
just not trying very hard in one or more aspects of your life--and instead of
complaining about this, you should start trying harder.
Re: "Business should be able to set any wage they want to make their
business successful. The law of supply and demand will determine those
wages."As banker Sanjay Sanghoee wrote on "The Huffington
Post": "That would be fine except for the reality that wages for low
skilled workers are not determined by fairness but by the desire of businesses
to maximize profit, and that workers are not livestock or grain whose worth
should be measured solely in terms of supply and demand."It is a
bad joke that the best way to help low-income workers is to pay them even
less.Jesus said, "In everything, treat others as you would want
them to treat you, for this fulfills the law and the prophets." How would
you like to be treated as an employee? Would you like to be treated as a
commodity like livestock or grain and paid as little as possible, or would you
like to be treated like a human being and paid a living wage? Or even though
Jesus said "in everything," can't we look at things that way,
because business is business and church is church and never the twain shall
Our political leaders sit back and laugh at us, while we argue with each other.
Let's just keep paying for their vacations, conferences, and whatever else
they're worthy of getting.We just can't figure this out.
We TeaPublicans know that government should NOT set wage requirements on private
enterprise! America IS a free market economy . Business should be able to
set any wage they want to make their business successful. The law of supply
and demand will determine those wages. We don’t believe in redistributing
the wealth. We earn what the market tells us we are worth! If you don’t
like that you could always do the alternative….do nothing and earn
nothing. How does a wage of 0.00 per hour sound to you? Oh wait a minute, we
already have a lot of those kind of people doing that already. Now tell me,
just what part of living in America don’t some of you people understand?
This IS capitalism…which was what America was built on. If you
don’t like it, then leave it for some socialist country. I tell you, when
we TeaPublicans take back our America in 2014 and 2016, we ARE going to take
back that minimum wage law too! “P n P” in 2016…yes it is
going to happen. Perry N Palin in 2016!
JoeBlow-You can blame Obama for pitting people against people.Who
has more wealth? Romney or Obama? And who is portrayed as a greedy rich man?
Joe5 re: 10:05 post. Very astute observation and well said.
Logan dropout: If I were a business owner and read your story I'd hire you
on the spot for a higher wage. Unfortunately, the liberals and many Republicans
want to keep you right where you are. Just keep your mouth shut and accept that
you need all those government programs to 'help' you (In other words,
stay poor). It doesn't matter whether you are a high school dropout or a
harvard grad, this country traditionally has been a place where you could
succeed, whether you went to school or not. Minimum wage laws and government
programs are there to keep you poor. I'm looking more for people like you
that are searching for how to get the job done and need government out of your
way. I'm going to pray for you and hope for you. Don't wait on
government to help you. Do the best you can and keep it up. P.S. One of my best
friends from high school (Logan High) with only a high school diploma (barely)
has done very well. Inch by inch, year by year, he has done very well,better
than my bachelors, masters, and administrator's endorsement!
Minimum wage laws should be eliminated. The Democrats and Republicans love
minimum wage laws because it keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. Wake up!
All those business owners love minimum wage laws and the Democratic liberals can
'talk' about how much they care for the poor. It's too bad that
basic economics and principles that truly help the poor aren't understood
by people on the left and the right. Too bad, there are a lot of good regular
folks that could make something of themselves if more liberals and Republicans
understood real charity.
I love the comments by the few who frequent here to prove just how much better
they are then the so called 47 percenters they like to feel superior to... the
comments are often filled with disdain for those whom they judge to be lazy and
unworthy - at least compared to themselves. I do find this
"issue' a bit odd. Like many, during high school I worked fast food.
At that time, other than managers, everyone who worked in the store I worked was
within my same age group. No one but managers were trying to support a family
by working there. I have even known some ladies in my wards that have taken day
time shifts to augment family needs like college funds and missions. I
don't understand the mentality of anyone thinking working the line at
McDonalds should be a career that provides a living wage. I don't think
those jobs were ever intended or advertised to be jobs to support a family. These people took these jobs knowing what they were getting. To turn
around and try to transform these jobs into anything else is foolish.
In this economy, no one can "work their way through college" at a
minimum wage job. Just do the math. Every cent you earn would be taken up by
rent, leaving NOTHING for tuition, books,transportation, not to mention food or
clothing. 40 years ago I could do it, and did it, just working 4 hours a day.
But that was when wages and expenses weren't so asymmetrical. Not true
The problem is you go to school to learn how to be a good employee. There's
no school for good business owners that create the jobs everyone else is whining
for. The economy we have right now is what you get when theres too many bean
counters, and not enough beans.
"You really aren't naïve enough to believe raising the minimum
wage will improve the ratio"No, I dont. And I didnt say that it
would.I find that the first order of business is to admit that there
is a problem. Only then could it be dealt with.Many many people see
no problem with the steady, upward movement of this countries wealth, or the
rising cost of health care. Either that, or they wont admit it.I
dont believe that it is the Govts place to cap CEO wages (could you imagine the
outcry?). Until the masses (ie stockholders) get fed up with it, it wont
Something for nothing mentality:* students not earning it,-- get
passing grades* Obama phones* food stamps* etcTakes a half hour learning to work at fast food, compared to years for a
dentist. We have the choice to succeed. Some lack the will, and grit to do it,
than wants the same pay.Compare to a classroom. Why should those
with low grades get the same rewards as the honor roll students? Same teachers,
books, instruction, etc.Fast food employment, is a great way of
working through college.
JoeBlow: You really aren't naïve enough to believe raising the minimum
wage will improve the ratio between CEOs and employees, are you? It never has
before. Greed is still greed. Companies will raise prices before they start
taking wages from CEOsTo solve the problem you bring up, we need to
establish a maximum wage. After all, CEOs are also paid employees. If we have a
national maximum wage, the very wealthy would be company owners, not CEOs (and,
depending on how it is enacted, perhaps not professional athletes or
entertainers). That would incentivize people to establish businesses, create
jobs, and revitalize the economy. It would lower prices (by lopping off the huge
salaries and bonuses paid to corporate executives). It would make America more
competitive in the global marketplace. It would, in essence, do the opposite of
minimum wage (which is raise prices and make America less competitive).However, there is the moral, legal, and ethical dilemma of whether that falls
into the purview of government; the exact same dilemma we should be asking
ourselves about minimum wage standards.
Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage, simply a minimum wage. Even
when I first started working as a teenager, I got minimum, then a few months
later, a raise. To continue to raise the minimum wage ($15? Are you kidding?)
only means that there will be no motivation to find something else, or work
harder to get a raise.
We have forgotten that the United States is supposed to be a free market
economy.These workers have a right to demand more money. The burger chains
will decide if they are worth it. At will employment means they can fire the
demanding worker for no reason at all.Fine so far.Enter the
government. Regulations, mandatory wage scales, mandatory benefits, job
protections for strikers. Gone is the free market.Now, the answer for some
of you is government-owned fast food restaurants. Uniform pay and benefits.
Probably an employee union.Who wants to buy their burgers from the IRS? or
the DMV?How's that Postal Service model working out for you?And
don't even get me started on the push to inject illegal alien workers into
the low-skilled workforce. That's just plain foolish.
They can raise the minimum wage for fast food workers as high as they want as
far as I'm concerned. I quit eating fast foods a long time ago because of
the cost. If I get two sandwiches at Arby's with fries and a drink, it will
cost me over $10. I can enjoy a much better meal for just a couple dollars more
at Chili's, Applebee's, Red Robin, just about any Mexican or Chinese
restaurant, any buffet, and others. Those have become my low cost dining
options.So raise the wages, run those blights on our scenery out of
business, and let their employees go find real jobs.
The fast food industry is one of our few growth industries left. So naturally
the Dems.and unions feel obliged to destroy it, as they have manufacturing.
This plan would turn every city in the nation onto another Detroit. Brilliant.
Significanly increasing the minimum wage for fast food workers may actually be
very good for the U.S. in the long term if the cost of cheap bad (for peoples
health) food significantly increases also.
Minimum wage is irrelevant and so is education, a popular argument to demean the
merit and worth of anyone working for a wage. FYI, many college graduates are
working for minimum wage and that refutes education to gainful employment in
jobs that does not exist.Yes, riots, strikes, and demands are the
only means that anyone working for a business has to become prosperous. It
doesn't matter that these workers are doing, all have worth and its their
choice to decide their worth, business or governmnent does not have the right to
deny them a their value.The generations after the post war educated
americans of the 1940 and 50's who were the masterminds of prosperity and
individual wealth, were brainwashed by the collaboration of government and
business to decry unions as responsible for US corporation deserting this
country by the NAFTA treaty.Its going to take organized labor and
more than 4 times minimum wages to bring this country out of its strife. In the
US there are no jobs that manufacture or create for global distribution. Small business is temporary line of credit debts employing one.
30 years ago, CEO's made 30 times what their average employee made.Today, it is around 300 times.I sincerely doubt that
CEO's have become that much more productive compared to their workforce.It is a fact that the wealth in this country is steadily collecting at
the top. Questions...1) why do you think that is
happening?2) is it good for AmericaAnswer those questions and
then we can talk.
Here's an idea, if you want more money, get a job that pays more.
A LIVING wage is needed. A person can barely survive on a MINIMUM wage paycheck
- nevermind a family. With items like milk going up to $4 or even $5 a gallon
and other staples going up in price as well one would need two full time jobs to
pay for rent, utilities, food and clothing. Also teaching people how to save and
spend their money wisely is something needs to be looked into and developed.
Get this and get it right: Minimum Wage is for Minimum Work by Minimum
Qualified Employees. Selling and making Fast Food is a Minimum Job and will
only ever be worth a Minimum Wage. If you want better wages, get
BETTER qualified to do something of value!!By inflating the wage,
you'll upset the economic apple cart and thousands of employed persons that
depend upon Minimum Wages (like students getting a summer job) will be
unemployed and the prices will climb to where the businesses will literally not
be able to keep their doors open for lack of customers. Watch it happen!!
@subscriberI'm a 26 yo high school drop out that earned his GED
his junior year, left school for a full time well paying job. Last year I was
forced to quit my better paying job due to my hours being slashed down from
fulltime to 5 hrs a week. I am married and at the time my wife was pregnant. I
now work in the restaurant industry, I am supporting my family on minimum wage
and freelance work, I am never late, and have more working experience than my
managers. My hours were just cut again down to 12 hours a week. Newsflash, its
not about your years of experience, your education, your work ethic. I compete
for work everyday against high school kids that still live with their parents
but want to save up money for a car, meanwhile I cant afford my car and still
feed my family. But it costs less for my boss to have a minimum wage worker than
for them to have a reliable hardworking experienced worker that needs more to
live. I'm not lazy, I just want to feed my daughter.
Workers are paid so little that in many cases they still are eligible for food
stamps. Walmart uses this trick well, pay little wages, let the gov't pay
for food stamps, then have the workers use their food stamps at Walmart. Works
perfectly for the company while everyone else suffers.
This is like a classroom, and the low graders wanting the same as the honor roll
students.Combo meals $49.00.
@Subscriber And of course by implying the people that make mimum or
low wages are high school drop outs and drug users does nothing to stoke the
fires off class warfare right?
More stoking the flames of class warfare by the envious and covetous left.First, if someone wants a higher paying job than entry level work at
Burger Doodle, then they need to do a few things to make themselves
employable:Finish high school, stay off of drugs, and don't have
children unless you are married and can afford them. Then, after getting
a minimum wage entry level job- show up on time, work hard, and learn how to do
a better paying job. Find a better job.Blaming employers for low
wages or suggesting a minimum wage of any sort ignores the reality of the free
market where people get paid what they are worth to the employer. Demand too
much, and the will be no job, or the product price will have to be raised so
that it becomes unaffordable and the company fails. Count the costs of
government imposed benefits and taxes.Why not make the minimum $50
per hour so everyone can eat steak, and live in a mansion? And, start your own
company to pay these high wages!The trouble with socialism is that
you eventually run out of other people's money to spend.
This has to be the most unrealistic plan I've yet seen. I can support a 2
tiered minium wage where 16-17 year olds are paid $8/hour and a next tier up
where after one is age 18 it goes to $11/hour. But Senator Bernie Sanders of
Vermont is no independent since he usually caucuses with the Democrats, but
truth be told he is a self proclaimed Socialist who beleives in nationalization
of industry. He is left-winged radical fringe...so far left he's left the
country as Ronald Reagan would say. The working poor are an issue I agree, but
this level of extremity is no way to accomplish making any progress.