It's not just hot — July was officially the hottest

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  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    We can see that the 'control freaks' have really gone over the deep end when they want to control the earth's temperature and climate, by controlling their fellow men.

    And then so many of these same people don't believe in God. No wonder. They think they are the God of this world, able to control all things.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research (SCAR), said specifically decrease in the ozone problem equated to a direct melting of the Ice sheets and global warming. Caused by a change in wind directions and currents, not by dimming issues. And no I don't propose changing the CFC regulation, the point is you think you are solving a problem doing one thing and in effect you create more problems. Science has not allowed for all the variables for what they propose. Are you saying also that we should reverse the 11% greening that has resulted from the additional levels of CO2 and warmer climate? Can you provide us with the correct temperature that the earth should be maintained at?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    "We now know the EPA policy about CFC's is causing additional global warming. "

    Not exactly (though you might consider this a semantics issue). What was going on is that while we were throwing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere we eventually also had a spike in the amount of aerosols we were putting up there (think pollution problems) that caused global dimming which has a cooling effect. Our regulation addressed the latter issue. So it's not so much that we're causing additional global warming, it's that we were causing both warming and cooling (this is a large part of why the trend was flat from the 50s-70s) but now we have the anthropogenic warming component but reduced our anthropogenic cooling component.

    So... sure we could undo that regulation, but do you really want to make our air pollution problems even worse?

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    But, wait... I was told during some of the coldest months on record that tempurature is not an indication that global warming did not exist. And yet now, a lot of comments say that this proves that global warming does exist.

    So which is it?

    You really have us confused with this "we control the weather" thing here.

    The tail continues to wag the dog here...

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    atl134 here is a conundrum for you.

    "In 1985, scientists from the British Antarctic Survey found a giant hole in the ozone layer of Earth's atmosphere over the South Pole. This discovery prompted a largely successful international effort to ban CFCs, the chemicals largely responsible for man-made thinning of the ozone layer.

    Unfortunately, a new analysis from Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research (SCAR) suggests that stopping ozone depletion may actually increase global warming and speed up sea level rise. This discovery pits two important environmental missions against each other..."

    We now know the EPA policy about CFC's is causing additional global warming.

    We see that government cures for what ails you do not always result in solving problems. Thus why do we expect government taxes and cures over and above education of the masses as a better solution.

    SCAR scientists (not talk show hosts) attributes 4 meters of future sea level rise to the attempts to fix the ozone layer. So why is a reduction in CO2 and temperatures, going to help where we already have an 11% greener planet due to the increases that have already occurred. The one thing science has not determined is best temperature.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 1, 2013 11:19 a.m.


    "Or, perhaps it was just a really hot month."

    Then I expect you won't be posting comments next January when it's super cold and snowy about "shoveling global warming" and other nonsense.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    "We also had the coldest winter."

    We had the 9th coldest January and the other winter months were near average (after all December was part of the warmest year on record for SLC). If you want to claim a coldest you need to add a "since ____" in there somewhere.

    "That does not add up to global warming, as even scientists now admit. (They now call it climate change for this reason) "

    No, it's called climate change because the issue goes way beyond temperature increase, affecting flood and drought frequency, sea level rise, ocean acidification, and a host of other issues connected to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.

    "I will trust in the Lord"

    Somewhere around Genesis 1 or 2 God told us one of our jobs was to take care of his creation. That means we also have the capacity to mess things up. Pollution issues, acid rain, the ozone hole, we definitely have a track record of causing issues related to the atmosphere. So what I don't understand is despite evidence of our creating and addressing problems... this one is somehow deemed impossible.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    We all know that Global Warming is junk science,
    that Liberals make this stuff up,
    and that Al Gore is just trying to scare people to make himself rich.

    So we have 3 college drop-outs on the radio and their listeners
    All of the Scientists, Universities, and Thermometers,
    AND we even Kevin Eubank and the Deseret News reporting on the big HOAX.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    I love the use of anomalies to be evidence of ones beliefs. A cold January means global warming isn't happening, a hot July means evidence of global warming at a runaway rate. Yet we know global warming has been going on for the past 10,000 years. Switzerland recorded the fastest glacier melt rate in the 1940s, faster than they are retreating currently. They recorded glacier advances in the 1950s and again in the 1980s.

    The earth is now 11% greener than it was a few decades ago, attributed to increased CO2 and warmer temperatures. And somehow this is bad? The federal government is greatly concerned about rising sea levels, so they rebuild New Orleans below sea level now, and they do nothing to prevent damages to New York resulting from services being built below sea level.

    Solution, increase taxes on energy. Control population. In the meantime, scientists can't predict anything for sure when it comes to climate.

    CO2 is not pollution, and don't make the argument about being in a room only filled with CO2. Because being sealed in a room of pure oxygen would kill you also. Yet we don't have any program to limit oxygen.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    We had way more rain than average too. In a desert that is a great thing.

    We also had the coldest winter.

    That does not add up to global warming, as even scientists now admit. (They now call it climate change for this reason)

    But the alarmists want us to do something, like wipe out half the population out of fear that if we don't, the climate change will...??? give more rain to the deserts??

    I will trust in the Lord, not the arm of the flesh, and especially not the greedy, climate change scammers.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    The so-called 'meteorologists' should have consulted Glenn Beck. He says the earth is cooling, what with the glaciers melting and all, so this could not have been the hottest July on record.

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    July 31, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    In the article the climatologist said "The top seven warmest Julys on record have all occurred since 2002". This is the new normal folks, get used to it. Climate change is here and it isn't going away.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    July 31, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Last summer we had several record hot days in SE CO where I live. Summer was also long. Our heat wave began in spring and continued right into fall, with few moderate days. This year we had a cold spring, which froze virtually all the fruit blossoms. Then when the weather heated up, we still had many cool days right through this month. It is very dry here so the cooler weather is welcome, and I am totally grateful that our bedroom, with no A/C has a window that has brought in cool breezes at night all summer long. Maybe August will be hot, and I will have to change my thinking, but thus far, we have not had a hot summer.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    " Tracking historic temperature readings provides no compensation or consideration of such factors. "

    That is an issue that comes up at times. However, over the past 30 years, the satellite datasets (UAH, RSS) show the same warming trend as the surface observation datasets (.12-.14C/decade), so generally the heat island effect issue is handled well (that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    "Has anyone checked the precession of earth's axis? This changing of this changes the angle of earth relative to the sun and is a factor in absorbing energy from the sun."

    Milankovich cycles are 21,000 year cycles, their role is known and very small compared to the trend over the past century.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 31, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    @ 1covey: The precession of the earth's axis? Now why didn't scientists think of that?

    Oh wait - they did.

    We are currently in the mid-range of the precession distances. Our temperatures should be somewhere between average and warmer winters with cooler summers for the northern hemisphere and colder winters and hotter summers in the southern hemisphere.

    Well, it is partially right - the southern hemisphere is having hotter summers. But so it the northern hemisphere. Obviously, there is more at play here than just the angle of the earth.

    Believe it or not, scientists are not myopic and do consider lots and lots of factors when making their determinations of what is currently affecting global climate. And all the talking points you are going to hear have already been examined by them.

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    July 31, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    Much of this area has transitioned from small towns into urban centers. One of the things that may result in higher temperature readings at the same weather monitoring station in such places is less local vegetation, more structures and parking lots. Tracking historic temperature readings provides no compensation or consideration of such factors. Higher recorded temperatures may be caused by local urbanization or other similar effects, rather than climate change.

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    Or, perhaps it was just a really hot month. That happens sometimes, especially in the summertime.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Has anyone checked the precession of earth's axis? This changing of this changes the angle of earth relative to the sun and is a factor in absorbing energy from the sun.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 31, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    Man caused Global Warming is occurring. Where are all the deniers now?