I hope the committee will compare the existing structure upgrade costs to the
new construction/relocation costs very thoroughly before choosing one way or the
other, and not by swayed by political or private concerns. The points made by
others in opposition to re-location are certainly very valid, such as extra
travel for visits by family and volunteers and distance and time for transport
of prisoners to SLC for hearings, not to mention the already over-crowded
conditions and road congestion of the south end of our valley. I'd say that unless there's an overwhelming difference in cost and
other advantages to building a new facility "somewhere out there",
upgrades to the existing facility should be made as efficiently as possible as
socialize costs -- privatize profits
@Skitter - I would say the same thing that is being said to dozens and dozens of
employees I work with in Lindon - move to Oregon or lose your job in x months.
It stinks but that's part of life and happens to a good portion of us at
one time or another. There are people in other areas who will take
up the opportunity to make visits, find employment, etc. The money
will be spent to either upgrade the existing prison or to build a new one.
It's better to build a new one that meets current standards and use the
land for other needful purposes. Don't whine about taxes or the
children. The children are fine and the taxes will be spent, regardless.
It's inevitable. It's not class warfare, stealing from the needy or
greedy poor. It's a requirement for our society as much as schools, roads
and other infrastructure. The only way we wont need a prison is if everyone were
law-abiding and kept each other safe. Go to other states and most
prisons are away from populated areas by design. It's time we adjust to the
needs we face.
@playbytherules, yes, the land is highly valuable to developers, but the study
done a few years ago indicated that the move was not cost effective. This is
not a Democrat vs. Republican issue, so don't try to devolve the
conversation to gutter politics. I do not believe this prison is conducive to
state tax coffers for two reasons: 1.) Income taxes from new businesses are
minimal due to the problem of the state giving 20 year tax holidays (incentives)
for new/relocating business. 2.) Gains made in personal income tax collections
from new employees or population growth are negated by the increased number of
children these workers bring with them and needing of an education and the
funding that goes with it. Now, if a bunch of single people moved into the
area and were paying the full amount of income taxes on their new "high"
salaries, there might be a net benefit to the state. Besides the developers,
the only winners in this prison fiasco, is Draper City and Salt Lake County who
stands to gain from property tax infusions (unless they give it away in the form
of tax incentives.)
Nothing more than class warfare here. Steal from taxpayers and redistribute the
wealth to a few private real estate experts and their bought off friends in our
state legislature.Will anyone stand up for the middle-class anymore?
It's a request for proposal. Not a bid. There's a big difference.
The prison is old and in need of renovation and improvements. The real estate
where the prison sits is highly valuable. The prison will be updated and the
state will recover the tax revenue by opening up high dollar real estate for
development and future higher paying jobs. If a DEM proposed this you leftists
would be over the moon, but if it comes from the GOP you will cry alligator
tears. This is an excellent common sense move for the state of Utah. No, I do
not work in real estate.
Not to mention that dozens, if not hundreds, of prisoners have court appearances
daily. The increase in transportation and security costs will be huge.
In my church we are admonished to visit those in prison. This move seems more
like letting developers profit from moving them to where their families
can't visit them.
Wow! Another scheme to take money from taxpayers and give it to private
Stuff I have a question for you. There are over a thousand employees who work at
the prison. They are now faced with the decision to either move across state or
lose your job. What would you say to all of them? And how about volunteers.
If we bond for 1/2 Billion to move the prison, we don't have the bonding
avail. for roads, buildings, or water. The land around the existing
prison will drop or freeze in price. You add that much more land available to
develop and the existing won't be worth as much. The only city that wins is
Draper. Herriman might win eventually if there is a road through Butterfield
Canyon.The thousands of volunteers will not be as close and it would
also hurt the visitors coming. Both are used to help prisoners not to come back.
Even if we could save a few bucks, at what cost? If you leave those two out, you
will need more buildings than we need now.There isn't the
higher education or hospitals where they have discussed moving it. The prison
already can't get enough guards because they don't want to commute
that far in the future.I wonder about the $500M to $600M to build a
new facility, move, and demo the old one. Perhaps, but in this case it is the
staff and the people that cost more.
Utah can't adequately fund public education, but it has enough tax payer
money tear down a prison, major parts of which are only a few decades old, and
build a new prison out the boonies, at great cost to the Utah taxpayer. I
guess since there is money to be made it is okay with members of the Utah
Legislature. That R by their name pretty much gives them a free pass to do what
they want; fiscal conservatives my foot, not when there is taxpayer money to be
made. All power corrupts., absolute power corrupts absolutely; I give you
exhibit A. If the people of Utah stand for this boondoggle I say shame on them.
I support moving the prison from its current location to a more remote location.
An all-at-once move would be preferred. But, if we can't do it all at once,
then do it piecemeal. Start building a small section of the new prison somewhere
else, move inmates to it and decommission the portion of the current prison they
vacated. Then, continue adding-on to the new prison, migrating inmates as new
space is available at the new site. Still, better to just do it while costs are
lower - or, now.