Mike Lee: No govt. shutdown, but Obamacare still in crosshairs

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  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    @ Scoundrel: You just listed a bunch of people who are dependent on the government as a reason not to shut it down. We've created a situation, with Marxist policies, wherein people are dependent up the government for their livelihoods and their special care. Wake up! It's a monster and if we continue to feed it, it will require us to forfeit all of our freedoms and independence for the security you want them to provide us. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Karl Marx

    It that's really what you want, carry on. We're on our way.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    A PG #1 FAN, you are misinformed. Talk to some doctors. They are not in favor of it and many will retire early because of it...or transform their practices to a concierge system. And the income average you suggested is way high and is going down as we speak. Gather some facts before you try to sell Obama talking points.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    July 31, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    First some facts: Health costs are being driven up by several factors 1) Technology - health care is getting more and more technologically intensive. Technology is not cheap - particularly on the cutting edge. 2) More specialized doctors - the intricacies of medicine are increasing rapidly. It requires years of study and residency to understand any given field. 3) Defensive medicine - more tests and procedures are being done to protect the physician from litigation. Even with tort reform, technology and specialization are going to drive costs rapidly upward. This is going to lead to some very difficult choices in the future. The productivity of many people now does not create enough to purchase first rate/cutting edge healthcare. Even spreading the risk (health insurance) will not solve the problem. Unless we can show dramatic increases in productivity in our country, the productive will be increasingly called on to subsidize (pay for) the healthcare of the unproductive. At a certain point, they will refuse to do so. This phenomenon will soon reach crisis proportions with medicare. Ultimately, unless medicine is forced to mediocrity for all, some people will live because they can pay and some will die because they can't.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    July 31, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Shutting down the government strikes me as a great idea. It's the sequester on steroids. The truth is that the greatest threat to our country is not Obamacare. Obamacare is only stupid. Obamacare will, as such programs have in the rest of the world, lead to two tiered medical care - Excellent private care and rationed substandard public care. The deficit, on the other hand, could drop this country and the rest of the world into a depression. All that is required is a loss of confidence in the United States ability to repay and the government could only finance itself by printing more money. That would lead to runaway inflation and an inevitable huge contraction in the economy. So, definitely shut down the government. The secondary effects of deficit reduction will exceed in value the primary effect of defunding Obamacare.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    July 31, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Mike Lee is doing more than those liberals Orrin Hatch or Bob Bennett ever did. Sometimes the best thing to do is just say no.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    I question the value in having as a major qualification for political office a single-minded focus to delegitimize the President. What have political luminaries here in the land of the far-right such as Mike Lee, Jason Chaffetz, Dan Liljenquist and Mia Love actually accomplished other than to preach obstructionism to nearly every presidential effort to confront the pressing issues of our times.

  • Larceny Rural Hall, USA, NC
    July 31, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    How about we all have a pizza together and agree not to go to the Doctor's for 10 years? Let's strike, that'll learn 'em!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 31, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    To "Te Amo" I am with you, except for modeling our system after Cuba and Mexico. We need to reign in the lawyers, and let the free market work. Cuba has 2 systems, one for the rich and politically connected, and one for everybody else. The system for the rich and politically connected is great while the other is only a couple of steps above frontier medicine. Mexico's system isn't all that great either.

    The fascism that is taking over the healthcare industry will only lead to disaster.

  • Te Amo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Instead of calling names, how about looking at the problem and try to solve that. The problem is we the common people cannot afford health care. Obamacare does nothing to solve that problem. I recommend modeling our health care after Cuba and Mexico where all the people have affordable health care and it's some of the best in the world. After the insurance companies, Lawyers and other parasites get done no average person in this country can afford insurance and Obamacare only adds to the problem by rationing medical care, manipulating costs and running doctors into retirement to avoid price controls. Already medical school applications are decreasing. What happens with Obamacare when there are no doctors and nurses to control? Lee is right on.

  • Jumpyman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    @ PG #1 FAN

    "Scant incomes? Doctors take home in excess of an average of $750,000 per year. If they are forced to take home a little less for the common good then so be it."

    Apparently you don't understand that there is a difference in pay from a neurologist to a family practice doctor. Very few family practice doctors get anywhere close to the amount you are talking about. These are the doctors that are leaving the profession. Where I live in Wyoming, most doctors here refuse to accept medicare due to the low amounts that are paid and the extremely high malpractice insurance costs. The high cost of healthcare is almost entirely due to the lack of a maximum cap on liability specifically associated with pain and suffering, and also due to the lack of patients having the ability to make decisions for themselves.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    July 30, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Sounds like most of Utah has gone Lib from most of these posts. Can the country be saved from collapse under the burden of it's debt and demands of it's citizenry for handouts? No it can not! the real mess is coming. the ten dollar hamburger is just around the corner. How are you preparing for that folks.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    bungalow/UtahBlueDevil....youre dreaming if you believe Obamacare covers you better and for less than private insurance today.....it doesn't and I sell the stuff, so I would know! You keep asking for the republican plan......you have it already, private insurance! Its more affordable and covers more for less, and no death panels!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 30, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" wow, you complained about the language I used, while avoiding the question. Here it goes again. Maybe you or one of your ilk can respond this time.

    1. Is a nation more or less free when the government dictates to its citizens what they must purchase, and how they must live?

    2. Why continue to support a government program that is making insurance more expensive and cover less?

    To "bungalow" in the case of healthcare the best solution is to cut the government mandates and cut the massive regulations that they have to obey. The second best thing to do is to add no new mandates or regulation. The Republicans opted for the second best option, which is still better than what the ACA has and will do to insurance costs.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 30, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Senator Joseph Paine, i.e. Harry Reid, is up against Jefferson Smith, i.e. Mike Lee. Go Mike Lee!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 30, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Redshirt..... me and my "ilk" or Elk..... we want a plan. Not just blah blah rhetoric. The other "ilk" seem to like to tell the world what is wrong with things.... and yet in all their pontifications fail to ever provide a reasonable alternative. So, me and my ilk frieda.... we prefer a plan..... to a void.

    Its kind of like asking your spouse what they want for dinner.... and all they will say is I don't like chicken. Informative.... but not really useful.

    Provide some options.... a competing plan.... and us Ilks will give it due consideration. Until then.... there isn't anything to discuss..... at least for us like minded ilks.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 30, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    To "atl134" I don't know who feeds you your information, but they are wrong. The US recently experienced an average of 10% on an increase to their health insurance premiums. We still don't have the full impact of Obamacare yet, so we should expect even more increases in the cost of insurance while getting fewer benefits from our insurance policies.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" is a nation more or less free when the government dictates to its citizens what they must purchase, and how they must live?

    Currently more people favor repealing the ACA than want to keep it. If you look at what people think of it, they are saying more and more that the ACA is a disaster and is going to maket hings worse.

    The question that I have for you and your ilk is this: Why continue to support a government program that is making insurance more expensive and cover less?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 30, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    "Mike Lee is taking a principled stand for a free republic - or what is left of it...against all the far left nation killers in this government and it's state run media."

    And there begins the drivel of far right rhetoric. Anyone who disagrees with them are "nation killers" and the media is "state run".

    And we are supposed to take this stuff seriously.

    Like mentioned several times before..... if is ok for Mike to be against it. It isn't ok to be against it without a replacement solution. That is like heading on a cross country trip without a map. It is kind of like having a faith, without scripture.

    It takes absolutely no brian power to be against things, to constantly point out problems, without presenting a single solution. It is laziness at its fullest.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 30, 2013 8:10 a.m.


    Mike Lee "Stands for Something", he stands for political obstructionism. Great I have no problem with his efforts to defeat the so called Obamacare. But how about proposing a better solution to a huge national problem? That would be "standing for something".

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    July 30, 2013 5:47 a.m.

    @PG #1 FAN
    "Doctors take home in excess of an average of $750,000 per year. If they are forced to take home a little less for the common good then so be it. The best doctors love what they do and would never quit medicine becuase they thought they might lose 10% of their income. Most doctors are in favor of the Affordable Care Act and the best were enlisted to help write the legislation."

    I am married to one of those BEST doctors who NEVER averaged $750,000 or close to it. Since you don't do billing for medical offices (I managed his office), you don't have a clue how much is written off because of government regulations, let alone the thousands and thousands written off in the name of charity. You don't have a clue how we spent $100,000 in computers and software to be HIPAA compliant only to spend that much again when the regs changed. Many seasoned "best doctors" ARE quitting "early" because they are SICK of the government intrusion in their practice of medicine. Most doctors ARE NOT in favor of Obamacare. The "best" WERE NOT enlisted to write it.

  • No Use for a name Logan, UT
    July 29, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    This isn't just about defunding Obamacare. It's about the government overreaching their powers(in this case the Executive Branch). Obama amended his own law without approval from the House or the Senate. He changed the law to delay the mandate for large business to provide healthcare, but it still requires the individual mandate which is totally against his own theory. Those who can't afford healthcare won't get it from work, but will still be required to buy health insurance. That doesn't make any sense. It's in the constitution that you can't amend a law in such a way and Obama thinks that the Constitution only applies in some cases, but it actually applies in all cases.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 29, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    “Lee acknowledged he may not end up with enough support to stop funding for the president's health care law, but said he has to try anyway. ‘Sometimes in Washington, you have to stake out a position even when you're in the minority, even when you're a member of a minority within a minority,’ Lee (said).”

    OR, IN OTHER WORDS, he might as well say:

    "I can't win on this, but I have to keep wasting time and money anyway. Sometimes in Washington, you have to stake out a position, even when your constituents and the nation as a whole elects you to represent them differently. That's even when you're admittedly a minority within a minority. I've got to fight for my way or no way!"

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 29, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    So far Senator Lee hasn't caved in to the socialist dreamers and corrupt politicians. It's amazing to me, as the rich get richer and poor get poorer, that there are so many deluded people out there that actually think that these politicians actually are doing something good for them, Senator Lee excepted. Why is it that so many on the left confuse Christian living with government action? How do they arrive at that conclusion? Whether I'm a passivist, anarchist, Democrat, or Republican politically has nothing to do with whether I am a Christian. However, I think it is quite obvious that those who are liberal, athiest, or non-Christian treat government as a religion, their God to control and manipulate the unsuspecting and deluded masses. If any of them can show me how a bureaucrat can help a neighbor better than a neighbor can help a neighbor, I'll throw in with them in a second.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 29, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Mike, and those like him, believe it is ok to build bigger and better bombs, fighter jets and the war machine but somehow it's wrong to fund healthcare.
    Nothing they can tell me will make me believe they are right.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    July 29, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Don't blame me... Mike didn't get my vote.

    AND he never will in the future....

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    Senator Lee is an individual who needs to be voted out of office when his term comes up. That's all.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    July 29, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Utah citizens -- look at that man's face! Is this who represents you in the 21st Century, or are you longing for the 19th? Do you teach your children honesty, but support a Senator who lies so well he believes it?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    "Notice the increase in health premiums since the "Affordable" Obamacare was enacted?"

    Health premiums the past three years have increased at the slowest rate in half a century. (This is mostly due to the recession rather than anything related to Obamacare, after all most of Obamacare hasn't even gone into effect yet).

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Looks like many feel the need to comment here after they get through commenting on the Salt Lake Tribune site. We have enough head-in-the-sand leftists in this country, and now we need some people who actually want to SAVE the country.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    Thank goodness we've elected one senator with some integrity and some functional intelligence. Anyone who thinks this "health care" law will work has to be extremely naive and totally detached from anything even close to reality.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    A Senator should not threaten to shutdown government for Fox media coverage. He should resign.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:02 p.m.


    Your name says it all. No wonder you're afraid of limited government.

    Further, you must also be Eric Samuelson.

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    July 29, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    @ enough is enough. Scant incomes? Doctors take home in excess of an average of $750,000 per year. If they are forced to take home a little less for the common good then so be it. The best doctors love what they do and would never quit medicine becuase they thought they might lose 10% of their income. Most doctors are in favor of the Affordable Care Act and the best were enlisted to help write the legislation. Mike Lee is a Tera Party shill that hearkens back to the days of Chris Cannon. Both are true embarrassments to our great State. 2016 we need a leader, not a Fox News contributor.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    Re: MapleDon "But as long as you get your handout, I'm sure you're happy." I am a senior citizen who has played by all of the rules and never asked for a handout from anyone. I assume you mean me when I ask that I receive my medicare benefits as promised. You're basically calling me a parasite. I look forward to meeting you in person.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    And another thing. Mike Lee does not care that his actions may deny some people critical care, resulting in suffering and death. Lee is supposed to be some kind of Christian. Not from my perspective!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    Good Job Senator Lee, keep up the good work! RINO's like McCain, Graham, Murkowski, Hatch, should just admit they are communists like Obama, Reid, Schumer, Clinton........Obamacare is like trusting the people at the DMV with your healthcare and paying four times as much for it! All services are improved when they are managed and competitive at the private level!

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    July 29, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Eric S...What is truly terrifying is that Obamacare will actually go into effect. Very few in our citizenry have read it and even fewer know how it will affect our country. The non-readers include our elected officials and some of the agency people who make up the rules and administer it. In fact, it's so complicated and incomprehensible that they simply can't get all the regulations figured out.

    There isn't enough space here to outline how Medicare has undermined our country's medical system. Obamacare will be the death knell.

    If you think it's hard getting into see a doctor, just wait a year or two. Doctors are retiring in droves...good, hard-working, dedicated, compassionate doctors who often can't provide you with appropriate medical care because the government and insurance companies (because the government lets them) mandate care. Some simply can't earn enough to keep the doors open because of the HIPAA compliant computer systems they are forced to buy and the scant income they have to take because of the government and insurance mandates.

    You will wish you hadn't supported Obama and this madness.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    July 29, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Where's Waldo (mike lee)?

    According to the DN article...

    "...Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, appeared on Fox News...".

    "...Lee told Fox News...".

    "...After the senator’s Fox News...".

    "...a stark departure from what he had said six days earlier on the same Fox News...".

    "...“Speaking on Fox News, Lee said...".

    mike lee can be seen on fox news...talking to fox news employees....


    mike lee is clearly in way over his head.


    Stop the constant face time with fox news.

    Utah voters know who you are.


    You have been taken to the woodshed.

    Slinking off camera while threatening to do what you will never do is behavior unbecoming to a US Senator from UTAH.

    You have embarrassed yourself.

    2016 cannot arrive soon enough.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 29, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    @Eric Samuelsen

    Notice the increase in health premiums since the "Affordable" Obamacare was enacted? Yeah, mine have gone up 44%. So much for affordability. You must be on the government dole to make such a silly comment. No, it can't work without putting a substantial burden upon the rest of us. But as long as you get your handout, I'm sure you're happy.

    Keep up the good work, Mike. You're ticking off the media and others on the radical left.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    July 29, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Reply to Jazzsmack.

    I think you are hearing from the Republicans in Utah. Not the extreme left. The extreme left laughs at Mikey. The far right Republicans are even upset with Mikey.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    July 29, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    This Utah Senator doesn't seem to know if he is coming or going. One just cannot keep changing their mind. Thought Mitt Romney's behavior set a standard for a "don't ever do this again" message.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    July 29, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    What's clearly terrifying the extreme right is the very real possibility that Obamacare will work just fine.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    July 29, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Sen. Lee should remember that even mentioning the shutting down of the government will only be a non starter. People don't like it because it causes lots of problems for everyone. If Lee would have started the conversation with "We need to talk about the funding of the IRS and its handling of peoples taxes" this would be the right time and place to ask for something like a special prosecutor to look into the mess at the IRS before signing onto any funding for Obamacare. But Lee leaped before he looked.

    If the Tea party doesn't get smart by finding ways to win politically instead of dying on every sword that comes along they will only alienate and destroy the repubilcan ticket for the senate and president for the forseeable future.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Correct me if I am mistaken Senator Lee. But the message of the Tea Party is ax Obamcare, then medicare, then social security. Am I receiving the correct message?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 29, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Dragline.... very funny.... hopefully not true...but still very funny.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    July 29, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    But Mike, you promised you shut the government down. How can I ever trust you again?

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    July 29, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    These comments from the extreme left are hilarious as they are wrong and uninformed.

  • Dragline Oream, UT
    July 29, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Senator Lee is not a player in Washington. He sits at the kids table while others make decisions at the adult table.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    July 29, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Mike Lee should be in the cross hairs. He has done nothing constructive since his election to the Utah Senate. I have never seen nor has history ever recorded such a contrary person in the US Senate. He is only out for headlines. he cares nothing about the good of the country - only the good of Mike Lee.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 29, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Keep chasin' that rainbow, Mike.