Gordon Hayward upset, Derrick Favors in pain after Team USA scrimmage

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  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 28, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Sorry to butt in on this wonderful back and forth arguing, but louisiana guy/gal, you need to remember something. The Jazz knew that Millsap's contract was ending. So what do they do? They come to Millsap and ask him if he would like to sign a contract extension. Millsap refuses. Now, why would the Jazz offer a contract extension to a player that they know they will be getting rid of at the end of the season? Point number 2. Midnight (10 pm for Utah) comes and it's time to get cracking at the off-season. What's the first move by the Jazz? They go to Millsap's home. Does that sound like a franchise that doesn't want a player? No, Millsap didn't want to come back because he knew he was getting outplayed by a younger player. He knew he was only bench worthy and wanted a maximum contract. Sounds pretty selfish to me on Millsap's end. I am glad the Jazz let him go and Big Al too. No defense and was a disgrace to Jazz nation for taking on 3 defenders instead of passing. Wake up and smell the fresh air.

  • SWWeatherGuy South Weber, UT
    July 27, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    I would liken it more to me being the same employee I had been for years, without any new ideas, better production, or excitement for my job. However, having worked there for so long I'm making (and expecting) a much higher salary (and benefits) than a new employee or even an Intern would. A younger, newly educated employee with the drive and excitement to prove his worth can come in with tons of potential and at a fraction of the cost and quite possibly be more productive for less and help the company grow when they've been stagnant.

    No, I don't want to lose my job in this kind of scenario, but it's business and what's in the best interest of the employer wins out, so I guess I'd better remain worth what my employer is willing to pay me. Didn't Al and Millsap find a new employer to do just that? Good for them. Hopefully, good for the Jazz too after they find all the right employees in the next year or two.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    July 27, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    were preety familiar with the starters ceiling. we don't know what the young gun's ceiling is yet? 1. that would be like your job they got rid of all the employees because they might find some better than you. most times if you are replaced it's not because they want to find out if someone might be better. it's because someone is better. favors and kanter will not become better just because millsap and al arin't there. like i said before they weren't dommanating agains't bench players so they sure won't agains't starters. my opinion . but what do i know? i guess in louisiana and roosevelt we don't know baskettball good enough to have a opinion. maby if i moved to provo my baskettball IQ would get better. or at least my opinion's would be more cogent. all that said it is done they are what they are.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    July 27, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Americanvet, I've got to thank you for my best laugh of the day. Doug certainly makes a good straight man, doesn't he.

    SW WeatherGuy, you assessment is one of the best, most cogent explanations I have seen for what is happening. I'm not sure that certain people in Louisiana or Roosevelt will ever figure it out, but thankfully people who know the game are in charge.

  • SWWeatherGuy South Weber, UT
    July 27, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    "they packed the paint to stop al and millsap and they still ewre the leading scorers. what does that tell you?"

    It tells me the Jazz should understand it's a team sport and not try and rely on riding one or two players offensively, especially when the market/money/area isn't conducive to landing mega-talented players. It also reinforces my belief that the Jazz must focus on team defense instead of a tired approach of 20-10 nights for Boozer/Al. Not that 20-10 guys aren't wanted or needed, but they need a defensive focus and team approach.

    "all you bloggers been hollaring for the young guys did they look like all stars playing against other teams bench NOT"

    Did the starters look like all-stars against other teams's starters? Not! Sounds like a push. Which group played better defense, with more energy, and was more fun to watch? Which group has more potential to take the Jazz beyond below average? We're pretty familiar with the starter's ceiling, we don't know what the Young Guns' ceiling is, yet.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    July 27, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    it was not al and millsap fault the weren't winning. it has been the same for several years no out side shooting. they packed the paint to stop al and millsap and they still ewre the leading scorers. what does that tell you? it hasent got anybetter for next year. it was preety obvious to me why millsap took the second half off. soon as mo came back it was the al and mo show millsap went from 17 shots to 7 . the jazz went from 5 seed to out. so it wasen't working millsap was used as a decoy drive and pass mo jacked up 20 shots cj like. i never understood the reasoning behind changing his role when it wasen't workingfr . from the outside looking in it looked like they were driving his numbers down so they could sign him this year at a dicount price. no other explantion for keep doing what aint working. i also think it was preety obvious to other teams what the jazz were doing. that is why atlanta called at midnight. all you bloggers been hollaring for the young guys did they look like all stars playing against other teams bench NOT

  • SWWeatherGuy South Weber, UT
    July 26, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    Big AL was a worse defender than Boozer, and I didn't think that was possible. Millsap, although I liked him, acted disinterested/disgruntled much of the season. In hindsight, I wish the Jazz would have let Portland steal Millsap. Who knows, maybe that one event would have opened an opportunity for the Jazz with Lillard. Probably not, but who knows.

    Oh, and the reason Al/Paul won't come off the bench is because the Jazz brass aren't willing to shell out that kind of money and have it warming the bench. That's obvious when we watched the starters frequently dig holes only to have the bench bring them back. You can argue that a lot of the time the Jazz bench might have been playing the opponents bench but it's hard to argue the defense and energy that was coming off the Jazz bench much of the time.

    I loved Hayward's play in Vegas; loved his attitude more. I'm glad Favors had a tweaked back because I couldn't understand why he looked so sub-par on the floor. Lillard looked great in the 1st and Lillard/Hayward playing together was very entertaining.

  • SWWeatherGuy South Weber, UT
    July 26, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    @B Russ

    Doug10 has had it explained enough times to know the direction the Jazz are going. He's either trying to get a rise or is just really thick. This will be the best two years for the Jazz organization in many years. Not in terms or wins/losses, of course, but in what will hopefully positively shape the Jazz for years to come.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    July 26, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    @meworkingman, In the past Paul was a decent defender but yes his size has always hurt him. But even this offseason David Locke, a typical Jazz apologist said in a recent interview that Paul took part of the year off. That's not a good player or leader to have. Good to see him go. Favors, if not already, will be a better all-around player.
    @louisiana jazz man I don't expect us to get to the playoffs this year. But I'm optimistic of what can be accomplished in the future when these young guys mature and hopefully fulfill the potential. We can't do much worse than last year. We didn't make the playoffs with Al and Paul. Not making the playoffs as a 9 seed is the same as being a 10 or 13 or 15 seed. Why so much loyalty to Al and Paul? Again, they were horrible effort guys on defense. Multiple players, coaches, and fans who have watched the Jazz several times last year have been able to make that observation. It was time for them to go. It was inarguably better for our future.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    July 26, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    al and paul would't come off the bench because they were better than what was on the bench. you don't move players to the bench just because some bloggers want you too.if you were tired of first round exits you won't like what is coming. if you really think the jazz will be better with out millsap and al .......

  • meworkingman PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 26, 2013 4:11 p.m.


    Actually, Millsap played some pretty good defense; he was just undersized for his position. The real problem with Paul was his refusal to come off the bench. That stubbornness meant that he would always stand in the way of the development of Kanter/Favors. If he would've been okay with coming off the bench for about 20-25 minutes a night, I'm sure the Jazz would've loved to bring him back. He wouldn't do that and it was pretty clear at the end of last year that Paul wanted out.

    You are correct that Al and Paul would never have gotten the Jazz higher than a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs. Will Kanter/Favors be able to do that? Who knows? But with Al and Paul out of the way, we're gonna find out.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    July 26, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    You have 4 young players that you have to decide if you want to keep either after this season(Favors, Hayward) or after the 14-15 season(Burks, Kanter) how do you know if those guys are worth a $40-80 million on a 4-5 year contract (John Wall is getting 80 million/5yr, Steph Curry got 44 million/4yr) if you don't even start them or play them big minutes. You don't go out and get all these young guys, let them ride the pine their rookie year, then decide if they are good enough to hand out franchise altering contracts for the next half decade. The Jazz held out for about as long as possible, but they really have to see if these guys will sink or swim before their rookie deals are up.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Doug10 and Louisiana jazz man, I am unclear why you think bringing Al and/or Paul back would help this team. The best those guys could do leading the franchise was getting swept in the first round as an 8 seed. Is that what you want each and every year? We don't know the ceiling for Kanter and Favors and won't know it after just this year. However, I fully support letting Al and Paul go in favor of Kanter and Favors. Both have better physical potential and both give BY FAR better efforts on defense than Al and Paul did. Al and Paul were selfish and cared more about their touches and stats than the team. If that wasn't the case, they would've given better efforts on defense.

  • meworkingman PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Baloney. Getting rid of Big Al and Millsap was the farthest thing from a "bone head move". The Jazz had plenty of money to bring back both Jefferson and Millsap. They would've been able to pay both of those guys more than any other team. They decided not to do that and to let them walk. That was a *good* decision. While I liked both guys, the team was heading nowhere with them as the anchors of the team (wasn't everyone getting tired of enduring first-round sweeps in the playoffs every year?). Both guys stood in the way of the young guys' development (the team wasted at least a year of development time for the young guns already). Mgmt decided that they wanted to develop the young guys and determine if they were good enough to keep around when their contracts expired; that was a smart move.

    This year may be a tough season with lots of losses but it will be much better for the team in the long run. And if we do lose, we'll be in good position for a strong draft. It's a win/win situation in my book.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    July 26, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    did managment decide or did al and milsap decide? i wouldn't call it giving up on the the jazz to wonder if favors has back problems or foot problems or kanter gets hurt who else is playing.i doubt that favors and kanter will play the whole year without getting banged up and missing games. if it was the jazz who decided not to bring back al or millsap it was a bone head move . too much is going to be on favors he need either millsap or al to take some of the pressure off.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    @ Doug
    I don't think the plan is for the Jazz to dominate this season. The plan is for the young core to get some much needed development time by giving them plenty of minutes. If all goes well the youngsters will get plenty of development and the Jazz will have a good position in the heralded 2014 draft.
    Big Al didn't measure up to Jazz standards on the defensive end. Millsap sulked most of last year. Obviously management decided to go a different direction and develop the young guys.

  • VeraLouise Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Good good good that Hayward hates losing. Bad bad bad that Favors hurt his back. Karl will probably make him play through the pain, however, when they train together again. Hope it doesn't get worse. Can't wait for the season to begin.

    Go Jazzboys!!!

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:52 a.m.


    Here's the good news! It's not like Millsap and big Al have retired or anything. Jefferson is in Charlotte, and Millsap is in Atlanta so since you've given up on the Jazz you have 2 brand new teams to cheer for.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 26, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    too bad Favors about the back thing.

    Just "tweaked" ....though does not require treatment the entire second half. If the league was playing Favors out would cost the Jazz how many games?

    Good thing we don't have a Jefferson or Millsap to back up this guy. The Jazz have a French center who averages 5.7 ppg.....watch out rest of the league the Jazz will dominate this season.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 26, 2013 6:34 a.m.

    Sorry to hear about Favors bad back. Those things happen and anyone who has played a lot of basketball knows what happens next. When it tightens up, you have to spend a day in bed and use muscle relaxants. Hopefully, he'll get better shoes which is usually the problem. He probably is using "fancy" shoes that athletes in all sports want to wear. He probably needs to think practical instead of style.

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:26 a.m.

    I like what I hear from them. It seems as if they do not like loosing and are going to be very competitive. Gordon should come out of this a better player even if he does not make the squad.

  • Dukester VANCOUVER, WA
    July 26, 2013 1:24 a.m.


    Good article! You're doing a great job. Tell your boss to give you a raise.