Dueling explanations for Detroit collapse reflect ideology

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 23, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    Dueling explanations for Detroit collapse reflect ideology--It's call corruption.

    Without new leadership, this country will resemble Detroit. Put on your seat belts.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    July 23, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    Article quote: "Detroit, however, is dead, and unions and government killed it. Michigan recently became a right-to-work state, but it was too late to save a city that had become beholden to unions," IBD wrote. "As the United Auto Workers helped destroy the auto industry in and around Detroit, it's no accident that Mercedes-Benz decided to build its flagship SUV in a shiny new facility in Vance, Ala. "Labor overhead was an albatross around Detroit's neck," IBD added. "Until recently, total pay and benefits for a full-time worker at the Big Three averaged $140,000 a year vs. $80,000 for their foreign competitors."

    $140,000 a year to tighten bolt "a" onto nut "b"?

    "Hello, Houston, I think we have a problem here....."

    $140,000 a year doing work an 8th grader could do?!?! Yes, we definitley found the problem and the problem was caused by unions acting like THUGS.

    All I can say to our liberal 'friends' is, Mitt Romney and others of us here tried to warn you...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 23, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    @NeilT--no bail outs. Let them file bankruptcy, and start over.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    July 23, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Chrysler operates the only factory left within the boundaries of Detroit. Operating at full capacity the factory employees $4,800 workers producing Grand Cherokees and Dodge Durangos. Both vehicles are Consumer Reports recommended. Due to union concessions starting wages are $16.00 an hour. The unions should have made concessions like this ten years ago. I do support the auto bailout. Letting GM and Chrysler go bankrupt and be sold at a fire sale was the tea party solution. There is a plenty of blame to go around. Citygrll You are partially correct. It takes years to bring a new design to market. When the demand shifted to smaller more fuel efficient cars Detroit couldn't compete. Those days are history. I am still an American car guy, always will be.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    July 23, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Detroit fell because the piggy bank was broken. There are many answers but the piper must be paid. Doesn't matter which political party is to blame, the story of the build-up and fall is there for all to see. Business and citizens voted with their feet. Now the problem of determining who pays. Those responsible for the demise want someone else to pay the damage and restore the fifty years of good times of raiding the cookie jar. Relatives generally help hard-luck families and friends, so Detroit looks to friendly courts and Uncle Sam to bail it out. The problem is that Uncle is broken as well but push has not yet come to shove. Most major cities as well as the country are technically bankrupt, so where and how to begin? A backward look at the Bible tells how Joseph foresaw seven years of famine, so in preparation, filled silos and barns for seven years. Unprepared Israelites sold themselves into slavery for grain to survive. America will awaken to its plight but its barns are filled with paper, monopoly money that eventually will prove to be worthless. Does unexplained disappearance of Mayans come to mind?

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 23, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    Everything bad that happens is the Republicans' fault, even where Democrats control every level of government for 50 years. If Republicans would only totally leave the planet, money would grow on trees, racism and poverty would end, rival gangs would hug it out, and every problem would be miraculously solved by a government solution, funded by those money trees.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 22, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Observe Detroit.

    Our country is on the same trail.

    Keeping liberal Democrats in office, we make us bankrupt.

    Through out history, societies have not maintained honest leaders, and were forced into poverty, and suffering.

    Detroit is a re-run of the past, and a view into our future. History bears this out.

  • ER in AF Baghdad, 00
    July 22, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    I echo the comments of others above. Dems pointing fingers at Republicans and trying to blame them for the woes Detroit is facing is sheer lunacy. There has been a democrat mayor in Detroit since 1962. Unions there would not negotiate, so companies fled. Entitlement mentality eroded the pride of owning a home and keeping a job. This was caused by the idea that others should take care of them. Detroit spent above average on education and reaped the bottom 25% graduation rates. A person is more likely to go to prison in Detroit than go to college.

    The median home value is $5,700 dollars. That is not a typo.

    By their fruits ye shall know them. Utah has spent the bottom 25% on education and for non-immigrant children has very high college attendance rates. We are one of the top 10% for bond ratings for all states. Do we have problems? Yes. Have you looked at Detroit's problems lately? I will say is again. By their fruits ye shall know them. Utah is the reddest state and has among the best fiscal management for state government in the country. Those are facts that cannot be argued.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    July 22, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    This is the future of the American republic under liberal rule. Replace "pensioners" with "social security recipients" and you have a foretaste of what will inevitably occur. "According to the Congressional Budget Office’s long-term estimate, every penny of the federal budget will go to interest on the debt and entitlement spending by 2025"

    That is all of 12 years away. Our debt crisis will occur long before that happens. Keep an eye on what happens in Detroit. That's our future.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 22, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Some believed that the Jews were responsible for Germany's economic problems in the 1930's.

  • JimE Kaysville, UT
    July 22, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Wow! Is Melissa Harris-Perry really that stupid? The dems are in control of Detroit. Have been for 50 years, and it has failed miserably. And yet she tries to blame the republicans. She need only look in the mirror and to her party to see the reason for this failure.

  • tripletiote Clovis, CA
    July 22, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    The big 3 made cars the unions wanted them to instead of what customers would buy. That's what liberalism is all about. It's surreal to hear the kids these days raised on Marxist drivel proclaim that companies exist to provide jobs rather than generate profit for investors, the literal owners and force behind the company's existence. Employee owned companies are out there. They can find one or start one.

    The crazy nonsense comments like those on MSNBC would be hilarious if people didn't believe them. Many people get angry when pundits say things they don't like. I can handle that, but I never get used to the shock of overt lies and purposeful misinformation. Those who scream about that the loudest and point at Fox News are often the worst offenders.

  • citygrrl SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    I blame the big 3 car companies to a large extent. They lost two generations of Americans to small, foreign-made vehicles by insisting that they produce cars that 1) deteriorated after 65,000 miles and 2) got horrible mileage and 3) were much larger than many people wanted. They couldn't compete with foreign car companies, closed many of their plants in the upper Midwest, including Detroit and other cities in Michigan, and voila! No jobs = dwindling tax base and population. Go figure.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    This type of analysis is what is killing America and not just the big cities. What is past is past and no one living there much cares how it happened, they want to know what we can do about it. Only partisan crave to blame someone for their own gain. The happy talk of the Governor and the City Manager make me as nervous as the threat of bankruptcy. It would help if they could begin to sketch the outline "what now?" The only tragedy would be if in 20 years things were still in turmoil.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Some of the comments by the TV talking heads are hilarious.
    Shame on those people who voted with their feet and fled the high taxes, crime and bad schools of Detroit.
    I'd really like to know where Melissa Harris-Perry and Ed Schultz live. I'm going to guess it looks more like Obama's Kenwood than the ghetto. Practice what you preach, limousine liberals.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 22, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    This is what happens when you "run out of other people's money." (Margaret Thatcher)