New York health insurance to fall under Obamacare?

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  • Shawn S. OGDEN, UT
    July 19, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Government is only pandering to the problem. "We the People" can only blame ourselves. I have some swampland you can build your next palatial healthcare facility on if you vote for me. Tammany Hall makes today look like paradise.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    twin lights,'
    still ignoring the fact that conservatives DID put forth alternatives, I see. and MORE than tort reform. Why do you INSIST on repeating that blatant untruth? Why?

    too much msnbc for you!

    So if someone without insurance breaks their arm (sorry, I used "their" for "there" in my prior comment - is my face RED!) and has no insurance but pays for their treatment out of pocket, they are a freeloader?

    you said "potential" freeloader. If every potentiality were met, we'd be living in a very different world

    They only learned it did not work once a dem employed it. Did you not read the article Monday in the DN saying access to care did not increase? That was not the repubs saying that, it was the lamestream "support BO with everything you have" media! It was reported by the AP. So when facts bear something out with which you disagree, the repubs are making it up? c'mon, you're better than that.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 19, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Lost in DC,

    They had decades to put forward alternate solutions (including when they had control of the more than just the House). Nothing other than tort reform.

    You misread me. I did not tout the Massachusetts system. I only noted that Romney implemented an individual mandate in response to the same issues we face. Republicans invented the individual mandate. They only learned it did not work once a Democrat employed it.

    Anyone who has no insurance and does not have about a million or so in quick assets (quick conversion to cash – not real estate) is a potential freeloader on the system. Try getting some forms of cancer or a permanent heart condition and see how fast you burn through even a quarter of a million. Self-insurance is a myth unless you are truly wealthy. Unless folks doing this are wealthy, they are betting my money and lying to themselves about it.

    I care plenty about lies and I think are lots of things this legislation could be improved by. But we need to be realistic about where we are.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    twin lights,
    I disagree,

    solutions have been put forward that do NOT require and individual mandate. nancy and harry would not give them the time of day. they concoted this monstrosity so people would recognize it as a disaster and move to pure socialized medicine.

    Oh, and did you not read the article the other day that said MA's program, the one you tout, did NOT increase access to healthcare even though they had insurance? half the clinics in MA are not accepting new patients, and their are socialized medicine style waiting lists for basic treatments. Just another version on death panels. Obamacare is trying to force that on us all. repubs learned the individual mandate DOES NOT WORK. Why are liberals so blind to that?

    not everyone who does not buy insurance "free-loads" on the system.

    Obamacare is now and always has been a lie. But you don't seem to care about lies, I guess. the dn justifies the means? Isn't that the justification the soviets used for some of their tactics in suppressing their own people?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 19, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    Lost in DC,

    Yes. Forcing people to be a part of the system rather than free riding the system by going to the emergency room or relying on charity when things go wrong. Allowing people to jump into the insurance pool at the last minute is also a lousy model. These things force me to pony up for their negligence.

    Healthcare is unlike nearly any other product. You don’t know when you will need, how long you will need it, how much your illness will cost, etc.

    We can talk about doing this at a different level or reconstructing it bunch of ways. But the individual mandate is the core. Mitt understood this though he instituted it at a different level.

    I couldn’t care less whether they call it a tax or not. I couldn’t care less whether this is Obama or someone else heading up the program. The system we have is broken. Don’t like this fix? No problem. But whatever fix we get will need an individual mandate at its core.

  • Shawn S. OGDEN, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    The medical industry has a serious case of "blank check syndrome." Only solution, tear up the blank check.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    One problem with the grand plan is that many of the healthy people, mandated to purchase health insurance to offset the medical costs of the sick, are mired in student loan debt which Congress is raising rates on, and working two part-time jobs, due to Obamacare the company they work for will not hire full-time employees. And when they cannot pay for the insurance with the remains of their two minimum wage paychecks, they'll be sent to a privatized prison system, which has been promised a 90% occupancy rate. Problem solved.

    The plan is to destroy the entire economy; It looks like they have finally found something that they are good at.

  • Readingthetruth USA, ID
    July 19, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    I don't agree with this logic. I work in insurance. The majority of people who don't have healthcare are too sick or too poor. Flooding the pool with new insured persons isn't going to help, it's going to cause a massive never ending drain that cannot be fulfilled. The logic is all wrong here: people are healthy BECAUSE they have access to healthcare. It's incorrect to say healthy members do not have insurance because they are already healthy. Further proof: Obamacare "claims" there will be no bar on access to insurance due to pre existing conditions. So who is going to flood the pool? Uninsured sickos, not the healthy.

    Also - NY's premiums are so costly because New York is more costly in general, therefore the health care is more costly. Simple marketplace math, not some conspiratorial sounding "structural imbalance".

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 19, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Lets see here. Media doctors Zimmerman 911 call. Bengazi was because of a video. IRS was only low level people in Cincinatti.etc. etc. Ya i believe the media and I especially believe the government.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2013 4:26 a.m.

    the Washington compost writer say's we'd get a plan glutting the market with the sick without healthy participants if the GOP got its way and delayed the individual mandate

    just another example of how the lamestream media lies. If the GOP got its way, Obamacare would be repealed

    twin lights,
    that's what we've come to - forcing people to by something they do not want? the SCOTUS said it was legal because it was a tax, but BO and the dems said there would be no tax increase. the cost of Obamacare is 3 times what BO and the dems said it would be.

    everything about Obamacare is a lie.

  • Simple Man Riverton, UT
    July 18, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    You know it's a farce anytime the words government subsidy are used to describe how inexpensive something is.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    Comments about ‘New York health insurance to fall under Obamacare?’......are you sure you didn't mean to say FAIL instead of FALL? Obama is a complete failure and so is Obamacare!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 18, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    From the article:

    "In other words, rates should come down because the individual mandate will force healthy people into a market now glutted with the sick."

    That is the whole point of the individual mandate. You stop people from just signing up when they are sick and create a much broader insurance pool.