Mormon Parenting: Two churches only?

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  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 22, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    "1 Nephi 14:10-11, “Behold there are save Two Churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil..."

    That would certainly simplify matters for the last two left standing at the end of times for a winner take all final showdown. It would also buck the tide of history.

    The scenario plays like a lapse into nostalgic reverie of 19th century Mormon beginnings as a religion of apocalyptic millennialism when early converts expected the second coming before the 1800s expired. Even today, those antiquated visions that belong to another era won’t completely let go.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    July 21, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Dichotomous (black-white) thinking such as that illustrated in "only two churches" is not only inaccurate, but also unhealthy and dangerous.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 21, 2013 12:18 a.m.

    I fail to grasp the point of this article. Do they advocate purging the "true church" of all the older non-married singles, divorced people, single parents? They can all go to the "other Church"? Or is this a veiled rant against marriage equality?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    "It seems to many that we live in a day when the bad is getting worse and when the good is getting better."

    We have better access to education for women than ever before, longer life expectancy than ever before, less war than ever before (it may not seem like it but we lost more Americans in one day at Gettysburg than in all conflicts from the 80s onward), less slavery than ever before, less racism than ever before, more freedom to worship than ever before (or close to it). Sure some things are getting worse, but when we look at everything put together, I'm not sure that everything bad is getting worse.

    Oh and... if you want to avoid causing people to leave a church because they're 30 years old and single do try and not harp on this idea that being married and having kids is what makes someone good.

  • Nanook of the North Phoenix, AZ
    July 19, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    What a terrible article! Since when is it only those who believe in "true religion" who are family-oriented? Since when is "self-centeredness [associated] with secularism"? And since when does the secular community have a monopoly on "superficial families and illogical, ritualistic practices"? I know a LOT of self-centered Mormons, a LOT of Mormons whose devotion to their families is superficial at best, and a LOT of good solid family-oriented people who profess no religious belief. And if you don't think an LDS temple wedding/sealing isn't an "illogical, ritualistic practice", then you haven't been paying attention! (Yes, I'm an active recommend-carrying member, but I also recognize ritual when I see it.) Please, stop making such terrible rude stereotypical assumptions about your more "secular" neighbors. You can't dismiss them so easily; and who knows, if you meet and get to know some, you'll find you have a lot in common.

  • tanderson83 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    How on earth did this get in the news? Really? This whole "the big bad world is out to get us" thing just makes us look bad.

  • donn layton, UT
    July 19, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    @Two churches only? …:1 Nephi 14:10-11, “Behold there are save Two Churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

    RE: 9MM There has always been only two churches on this earth?

    No church organization as authority or power to save for that comes through Jesus Christ and Him alone. For there is none other name under heaven given among men ,whereby we must be saved(Acts 4:12).
    He is coming for a church without a spot or wrinkle(Eph 5:27) He was in no way implied He was coming for a church building or some church recognized by the federal government.

    The true church is made up of individuals not four walls. The Bible refers to the true church as the “Body of Christ”. The true church is those who put their total trust in Jesus Christ.

  • 9MM Murray, UT
    July 19, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    There are several narratives put forward by differing parties about which direction this world is heading. I am inclined to believe the one put forward by the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday-Saints.
    And while we do not suffer from bacterial and viral plagues on the scale that we have in the past, there are spiritual plagues that are farther reaching and more eternally damning than past plagues can lay claim.
    There has always been only two churches on this earth, one of God, and one not. And the constant struggle for the hearts and minds from both sides.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    IMHO - Muslims seem to be doing a better job than the Christians.

  • dr.bridell mclean, VA
    July 19, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Interesting observations from daveferr....
    But I don't think the point of this article was doomsday. The point, it seems to me, is that the gap between family/commitment/home-focused folks and "taking care of me" folks is getting wider and that the battle for hearts and minds will, in the last days, be between these two "sides."
    And I agree!
    And it really will be doomsday if the whole idea of families and sacrifice and living for those we are committed to rather than for ourselves looses out and goes away.

  • daveferr Columbus, OH
    July 19, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    As a Mormon/Christian myself, reading articles like this always bothers me. We don't live in a doomsday like world, like this author assumes. We live in a world where the black plague isn't wiping out cities. We live in a world where we don't have to worry about people being dragged out of their homes and raped while the cities are being pillaged or even burnt to the ground. Yet we talk about "A moral survey of today’s world and societies’ trends looks like a doomsday scenario". Doomsday? really? Are our soldiers taught to sleep with their fellow men so that women can be saved for pagan gods (prostitution) or to be sold later to husbands? No? Do we stone women that have children out of wedlock and sell their kid into slavery? No? Then I think the world we live in is on a FAR higher moral ground than that of our ancestors. Rather than looking at the bad all around us, it is far better to look at how blessed our lives really are.