Common Core opponents raise their voices at State Capitol

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    * If a car salesman sold you a lemon,--would you buy another car from him?
    * If a mechanic charged you a high price for a repair, and the car still didn't work right. Would again, go to the same mechanic?

    If the feds got us into a seventeen trillion dollar debt, and the economy worsened. Would you trust them to educate our children?

  • Orrin,Porter,Rockwell Riverton, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    If any of you think CC is right then you need to look into it. When education is federalized (and the Federal government maneuvered this to make it appear it is not) we are all in BIG trouble. It is not the job or duty of the federal government to tailor education; it goes first to parents second to local communities third to teachers and local schools, and constitutionally never to the federal government.

    Do you have children? Most people just don’t want to think that the people in their school and everyone one else is either so naive that they would get into this kind of thing or that they are so evil that they would be planning it without saying it. I think you need to start looking into it a little more than you have. Bribing the states into Common Core should raise a red flag for everyone

  • Orrin,Porter,Rockwell Riverton, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Also did you think you are the ones (with common core) to choose whether or not your kid can tell the schools whatever they want you are wrong you’re dealing with people who view Mom and Dad and government as equal when it comes to inquiring private information.

    So who can give information to corporations “schools with legitimate educational interest” that sounds great, right? “authorized representatives of federal and state and local educational authorities conducting an audit evaluation or enforcement of education programs, organizations conducting studies for specific purposes in behalf of the schools” so they’re the ones that can authorize your kids’ information not mom and dad. By the way those two references were from the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA).

    Did you know this “A new three year effort to mobilize parents…Beginning with Common Core state standards” that’s from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. And let’s say you try it out and it doesn’t work, well then there’s nothing you can do about it Common Core is copyrighted.

  • Orrin,Porter,Rockwell Riverton, UT
    July 19, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    “Sensors provide constant, parallel Streams of data and are used with data mining techniques and self-report measures to examine Frustration, motivation/flow, confidence, boredom, and fatigue”…
    “The Mood Meter includes a camera and a laptop. The camera captures facial Expressions and software on the laptop extracts geometric properties on faces (like distance between corner lips and eyes) to provide a smile intensity score”…

    “While it is impractical to use fMRI in the classroom (i.e., it is a prohibitively expensive, room-sized machine), Ed Dieterle and Ash Vasudeva of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation point out that researchers such as Jon Gabrieli and Richard Davidson are beginning to use multiple methods to explore how specific brain activity is correlated with other cognitive and affective indicators that are practical to measure in school settings”.

    Those where from Promoting Grit, Tenacity, and Perseverance—Critical Factors for Success in the 21st Century, US Department of Education

    They also plan on tracking information on health care, family income, blood type, voting status (of their parents), Religious affiliation, extracurricular activity along with literally hundreds of other attributes. And just how does this raise the “educational standards”?

  • robertoldham Salem, UT
    July 19, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    I found this article, purportedly a news report, disturbing. It reports that there was a meeting and gives a few details of numbers of people attending and the names of a few individuals who attended, but for the most part, it entirely misses reporting on the meeting.

    The article includes a couple very brief snippets of quotes from a meeting of over two hours. The quotes included are out of context. There were significant and substantive remarks made, but the quotes included in the article are almost completely irrelevant. I was at the meeting, and found many of the points presented there were well researched and informed. I am grateful that some people, including a few of our elected representatives, gave their time to discuss well founded concerns.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 18, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Re: " I'd rather more attention be paid to paying teachers higher salaries, reducing class size and restoring lost benefits."

    No doubt. It would enhance your standing with NEA/UEA.

    But, it's sad that trade unionists would stoop to disparaging the good teachers currently in the system -- the very people you're trying to organize -- to advance its agenda.

    Suggesting that only the tired, discredited trade-guild "solution" of throwing insane sums of money at them can attract quality teachers is tantamount to suggesting there are no good ones out there now.


  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    Be careful of deceptive appearances. What looks good may not be so.

    Observe how we marched into a debt equaling $550,000 for every second in a year. Remember all the hype for:

    * infrastructure
    * lowering poverty, debt, deficit
    * more teachers, firemen, jobs, etc

    Guess what? We got more:

    * debt
    * unemployment
    * deficits
    * people on their knees looking for handouts
    * etc

    Some people believe common core will fix education?--Look at the record, not the rhetoric. How many times will citizens be fooled? Common Core isn't the first costly program to appear, but one of many. Look at what we spend on education, and tell me we got our moneys worth. Does our economy, and welfare state reflect an educated society?

    It's crazy to think, the feds are the only ones who can people.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    I see the minions have found this article. You guys really do a nice job of organizing. Now if you could just find a good thing to protest instead of something like this....

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Common core or not, arguing over it is like arguing over where to put the deck chairs as the Titanic sinks. I'd rather more attention be paid to paying teachers higher salaries, reducing class size and restoring lost benefits. This would attract and retain higher quality educators and help students.

  • BoysMama Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    Amen LibertyBelle! Well said. My husband and I can actually manage our own lives and finances successfully as directly opposed to the Federal Government...who now claim they are smarter than our own communities and somehow NOW have a great solution to the apparent horrible mess that is the current education system. It looks like it is now time for us to also manage the education of our children (our oldest is just about to begin K) and bypass government education altogether, which I've been pushing with my husband all along anyway. The problem still lies in the college entrance tests being aligned to CC but at least we will know they truly benefited from a well planned education not motivated by $ or bought by a politician or steeped in liberal directives. Keep it LOCAL...and in the pocketbook. Does anyone have any idea how much this will cost us in the long run and has already cost us while our Head of Education here in UT claims she has reviewd it and, 'it is 92% aligned with what our standards are already'. Why exhaust ourselves further financially to take out then re-establish the 'same' thing!?

  • BoysMama Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    I have an incredibly hard time believing that everyone who has claimed to have reviewed the Common Core material thinks it is highly evolved over what we already have or thinks that the federal government can come up magically with a stellar education for my child versus my own highly educated community. It is giving up OUR CONTROL. It is a shame parents have no clue what any of this truly means and insist we are chickenlittle running around screaming doom and gloom and that there is absolutely no merit to our claims.
    Get a clue and go read up on the valid, substantiated criticisms that are out there. The bill passed in spite of the opposition not because it was valid but because it they are incredibly biased.
    This article does NOT represent well what went down last night and all of the incredibly valid points and personal scenarios that were shared. I was there.
    Please do not marginalize those of us who have informed ourselves enough to know better and insist we are a pathetic, power driven few. Go get a clue about this!

  • libertybelle Hyrum, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    I don't think that turning to the government for our problems will solve anything. If we really want our schools to improve I think we need to put them in an environment where they can compete. You know, like the free market. Stop handing power over the government. They never excel in anything. We don't want more regulations and standards. Let the funds that are allocated for the child go with the child. Let people pick the school that they want their kids to attend and may the best school win! We are not idiots. We don't need the government getting involved in everything. We need them out of the way. These morons in the government are full of failure and bad intentions and endless scandals. We don't want them anywhere near our children. Americans are the best in the world when it comes to being innovative, creative, and solving problems. We need to step up to the plate like true Americans and tell the government to back off our kids! If we don't draw the line at our kids, when, if ever will the line be drawn?

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    July 18, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Sorry TruthOnly (interesting name considering what you said here), that is hyperbole and you know it.

    1 + 1 will always be 2, not 5 because a group of 2nd graders took a vote and decided that it should be 5. If that is what you really believe, then you need to be sent back to school for some remediation.

    What they are saying, and I've experienced this with my own children, is that there is not always just ONE right way to get to an ANSWER. There are teachers who rigidly teach particular methods to get an answer. Children who get to the right answer but use different methods than the teacher have been told that is wrong. My son was in tears when I showed him how to do a math problem, because I did it the wrong way- he was afraid his teacher would chastise him for DOING it wrong. He got the answer right but was chastised for not using her method.

    There are different approaches to math problems- if the particular approach get you to the right answer, that's what is important. That is what they are talking about.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    July 18, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    TruthOnly (sic) - As I stated, every single person in this state has a say in education, through our elected offcials. If you don't like the state school board members, remove them. Same goes for the legislature who funds them or the governor who screens the candidates. But Utah's Constitution leaves curriculum decisions in the hands of those elected officials. Just because they (and I), after hundreds of hours of research, have arrived at a different conclusion than you does not mean we're deluded. Try research from sources outside the extremist echo chamber. If you're still not satisified Utah's on the right track -- and make no mistake, we're already on this track -- then opt out. There is and opt out: home school or move to a state not committed to common core.

  • TruthOnly payson, UT
    July 18, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Aunt Lucy, You have not looked into Common Core standards. I went to a meeting with the Office of Education and right from there own mouths they said--there is no right answer anymore in math. The right answer will come from consensus. That means if 6 out of 10 people say 1+1=5 That is the answer because the majority says so. The new way to teach is that there is no right answer anymore.

    My jaw dropped to the ground when I heard this.

    You say parents can opt out. There is no opt out. I can tell you do not know what is really going on.

    Tricked. The State was forced to adopt Common Core before the they were allowed to see the guidelines. You might call that what? Open and honest, maybe, but then you do not know what open and honest is. Money was used to get the States to sign on, or I should say the chance to get money was used to coerce States to sign on. Tricked is certainly how this power grab is taking place.

    Parents will have 100% no control.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    This isn't about education, but, accountability and control to a central authority.

  • TruthOnly payson, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Owen--Parents won't have control over education unless Common Core is stopped. You or any other person will not have any say in education anymore. That is a fact.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Common Core is garbage. My brother had a Jr. High math class last year that was already using Common Core and he asked me for help one I looked over the material, the notes from class, and the textbook, I was amazed at how poorly the material was being taught! It was confusing and out of date. After showing him some YouTube videos it was quickly figured out.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Re: "Please educate yourself."
    Please educate yourself by listening to whom? I have tried to ignore both sides and have taken a personal look into this matter. This is what I found. The common core standards are a huge improvement over our previous standards. While I am sure they are not without possible improvement, they are more rigorous and expect more than the standards they replace.
    As for the control issue, again I just get confused. It seems there are always the "doomsday sky falling" voices out there who scream loudly but offer little evidence. It appears to me that our state systems from our state board to state educational committees have all agreed to adopt the standards with only the best interest of our students in mind. No one tricked them or forced them into this decision. No control has been given up. I don't buy into this "Mind Control" nonsense. Also, if a parent wants to opt out, last I checked this fine state still allows parent choice for parents to educate their children through almost any means they choose including home schooling. Quit screaming the world is ending.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    "Control is to be in the hands of the PARENTS." Thank goodness it is. Through our duly elected reps on the state school board and not the extremists or the few legislators that pander to them.

  • TruthOnly payson, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    This is a power grab. Parents have the right to children's education. Common Core is not about education--it is about control. There are many lies to advance this agenda, one lie was to say the States proposed it. 100% not true. Anyone that looks into Common Core will find danger. Just educate yourself. If you like Common Core you are uneducated on the subject. Please educate yourself.

  • TruthOnly payson, UT
    July 18, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    The problem with Common Core. It places a stranger in charge of all children. Usurps the authority of the parent. What is worse--this authority is given to a small group in Washington D.C.
    This is a power Grab to have control of what is taught. It is not to increase learning but it is to control learning. Control is to be in the hands of the PARENTS. The USA Constitution says so and so does the UTAH Constitution.
    That is why the con is used to say the States are leading this. That is completely false. Special interest are leading this power grab.

    We should not sell the future of America--our children.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Re: "Any unbiased person who takes a close look at the common core standards will see that rigor and higher thinking skills have been improved upon."

    Many people [me included], both biased and unbiased, have read the standards and find them to lack or water down meaningful standards regarding analytical rigor and thinking skills.

    But, that's not the main reason we oppose them. The main reason is the permanent surrender of local control over schools and curricula.

    Liberals seek control over what's taught our kids, particularly in their early years. It's a self-defense mechanism. If kids are taught to think and are given a politically neutral grounding in history and civics, liberalism will be extinct in a generation.

  • JediToby Tooele, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    I've engaged a number of these people, including Ms. Eager and Oak Norton this past week on internet forums and I can attest that, as the article states, the ranting isn't about the standards themselves, but rather that they weren't personally consulted in coming up with those standards. I expect we will next see Eager run for state school board.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    The Common Core is nothing more than a set of STANDARDS that we want our children to achieve. It isn't some communist plot to snatch your children.

    Guess what? It has already been implemented last year in many schools. This is actually going to HELP our students not hurt them.

    I wish this group would put their collective energy into something useful! They seem to have a lot of it and could probably achieve something worthwhile.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Any unbiased person who takes a close look at the common core standards will see that rigor and higher thinking skills have been improved upon. Higher rigor is what I want for my kids presently in the school system and for all kids. For too long, our expectations were too low. It's time our teachers taught at a higher level and expected more. It's a shame it always has to be political. I hope these protestors get ushered right out the back door. I certainly can't support them.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    July 18, 2013 6:09 a.m.

    The Standards are quite good actually. I've read them and compared them to previous standards. The implementation of them might be bad in spots. Bad teachers and Administrators will mess up any set of standards. Benchmarks don't cause bad teaching and learning. It's primarily on the student's, on the teachers, and on the administrators. I don't disagree that the process was not ideal though. But the end result is better than previous end result have been, and by quite a ways.

    Having said all that, abolishing the Department of Education (@banderson) is actually a great idea. Big fat waste of federal $, one of the worst. The Department of Education (which had nothing to do with the Common Core standards) has had so little impact on helping teachers teach and on students learn (just go ask some teachers, admin, or students to name three things they've done; I don't most could name one). Get rid of it!

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    How does the fringe continue to merit any attention? By being "inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory." Anti-common-core activism is driven by social-media conspiracy theories in search of a conspiracy. Ruzicka's presence says all the responsible legislator or citizen needs to know about this issue.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:33 a.m.

    The fact that Gayle Ruzicka and Oak Norton both are opposing this tells me a lot about it.

    Both are know-it-all zealots who think they have all the answers to our problems and believe that we should follow them down the little rabbit holes of their own making. If you don't like Common Core, fine, but letting these two voice their opinions as if they speak for the majority (or even large minority) of Utahns is no better.

    And really, Cherilyn Eagar? Straight from the 10 commandments? I have a feeling if that were really the case- you'd be on board in half a second.

  • srw Riverton, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    The statements from Common Core critics quoted in this article are just mind-boggling.

    "The resolution... passed by a vote of more than 60 percent of present delegates, despite receiving an unfavorable recommendation from the party's reviewing committee for being inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory."
    That summarizes the critics' approach nicely.

    "It’s time Utah led the way instead of following a consortium of states down the path to mediocrity."
    News flash: Utah achieved mediocrity in math and English long ago.

    Thank you, State School Board, for ignoring these people. If our legislators are persuaded by this rubbish, they will need to be replaced.

  • freedomforthepeople Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    The common core state standards are a great step forward for Utah. They are more rigorous than our previous standards and have the potential to lead to a jump in student achievement in Utah.

    People are mad that they were "forced" upon us - more like we "took the bait" - Utah agreed to adopt them so they could get more points on their application for federal funds. It was a brilliant move by the Obama administration - probably the most brilliant political move in my lifetime. He was successful at getting 40+ states to agree on common standards in one fell swoop. AMAZING. And because most people in Utah can't stand Obama, it really rubs.

    I am not an Obama fan, but the standards are a positive step for our students, and that must come first. The people fighting them are really trying to just express their hatred and frustration for the federal government. We shouldn't do this at the expense of our kids. The standards are an improvement in utah education.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    No mistake about it. This is about preparing students to enter the workforce, rather than 'educating' them. Although some may view these as the same; they are not. They are inter-related, but not the same. How a state like Utah, supposedly Constitutional defenders, could not see through this ruse is a shame. How come Utah can't lead the way in showing America how to get the job done without having an unconstitutional federal warrant to compel them to do something inimical to liberty? Of course, those in power don't want to held hostage by something as old fashioned and out of date as the Constitution, which doesn't even allow the Federal Government to be involved in Education. No big deal? Well, if it is no big deal, then what's the big deal about doing it ourselves? Where are our leaders? The Department of Education should be eliminated and all the funds returned to the states. We could shine a light to the world and turn our education system into something that would have them lining up at our door to see how it should really be done.