Was Spanish Fork teen intentionally killed or was it an accident?

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  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    July 16, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    I agree with MormonDemocrat

    If you know something, by all means share that information with the police. But ONLY after consulting with legal counsel and in the presence of your attorney. There is absolutely no harm in making sure your behind is covered, considering the recent stories in the news which have shown that Utah cops aren't always as much on the up-and-up as Officer Friendly would have you believe. Sad, but true.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    July 16, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Many excellent comments. One consideration is that if there is a guilty party (either an individual or several), they are very afraid now of being caught. They may be intimidating others that know the facts. Or they may do something drastic, like harm themselves or someone else. It's essential that the police get to the bottom of this asap to prevent additional harm.

  • MiddleRight Orem, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    Mormon Democrat is correct, You need to make sure your child is not going to be twisted into saying something untrue and messing up their life permanently. I did not read a proposal to not talk to the police there.

    I -do- hope those who know something will come forward (with appropriate safeguards if needed.)

    We do need to get off the soapbox of the "If you don't have anything to hide" thing and recognize the right to not speak without an attorney is not being uncooperative, nor is not allowing a random warrant less search, or not allowing your house to be used by police just because they want to. All three of these things have put innocent people in jail lately. I have nothing against police, but the tactics used in the past have show you need to be wary and if you are a teenager you don't know enough about the ways of the legal system to keep from getting in trouble you aren't guilty of.

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    July 15, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Zona Zone, your comments about your constitutional rights is not entirely correct. If you are involved in a criminal act but did not know it was a criminal act, you had better report it as soon as you find out the truth. If you pick up a person at a bank and later find that the person had robbed the bank, you can become an accessory after the fact by exercising your 5th Amendment right and fail to report it to the police. By failing to report it, you are in effect harboring the criminal, and you become an accessory after the fact. If anyone in addition to the driver was in the car that hit the deceased, they better report it at the first chance they have. Otherwise they become an accessory after the fact by harboring the criminal. If any of the parents or other teens know what happened, they better report it as soon as they can. Otherwise they become an accessory after the fact by harboring the criminal. And, by harboring the criminal, you become as culpable as the criminal. You can refuse to talk to the police, but you don't avoid culpability.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    July 15, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    TandJ and jpc53, please refer to the Constitution, Fifth Amendment. Research it a little bit. I sense in the two of you a strong sense of desire to be law-abiding, but I have a feeling you don't know what the law is. You cannot be held as an accessory-after-the-fact for exercising your Constitutional right to be silent. Furthermore, I think you read too much into Mormon Democrat's statement, he/she is not advocating not talking to police, just advocating that a child shouldn't speak to police without both a parent and a lawyer present. That is just good common sense.

  • Motherof4 SPANISH FORK, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    The parents of those involved should use this opportunity to teach RESPONSIBILITY and doing the right thing! If not, you are giving them the message that they can do anything they want and possibly get away with it. SPARE THE ROD, SPOIL THE CHILD. Take them to the police department if they know something and let them tell what they know.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    This tragic story reminds of the unsolved disappearance of Kiplyn Davis. A small Utah County community, death of a teenager, a conspiracy of silence and lack of cooperation with the authorities.

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    July 15, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    And further Mormon Democrat, if there was one or more passengers in the car that struck the deceased besides the driver, they become accessories after the fact, and as I understand they could be held as criminally liable as the driver. So if there were any passengers in the car that struck the decedent, I would suggest that they immediately go (with their attorney) to the police station.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Mormon Democrat: If you knew your child had this kind of information would you accompany him to the police department so he could tell what he knew. Or would you tell him not to say anything to the police. Just asking.

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    July 15, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Mormon Democrat,
    As I see it there is a problem here in the U.S. and it appears you may be contributing. If something had happened when I was a teen, my parents would be marching me down to the police station. They may have had an attorney with us, but we would be marching to the police station as soon as the situation became known by my parents. And, by the way, Mormon Democrat, do you understand that actions that you suggest as proper could also be seen as withholding information and accessory after the fact. I hope that the authorities are considering charges against reluctant parents for withholding information and accessory after the fact. They could see prison time for either, and as far as I am concerned they will deserve whatever they get.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 15, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    So why are so many people afraid of the truth? Everyone wants justice when their child is hurt or killed but when it involves someone else's child, it becomes "let's not get involved".

  • AT Elk River, MN
    July 15, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Never, ever, talk to the police without a lawyer present. Google it. There are several good videos, by lawyers and police of what can (and has) happened to innocent people who made the mistake of talking to police.

  • MormonDemocrat Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    As a general matter, I would not want my minor child talking to police about a fatal incident about which he or she had knowledge with out me and a lawyer present. Call that uncoopertaive or call it zealous of my consitutional rights and protective of my child. Either way, it is a serious situation and I would proceed with real caution.